If You Think Facebook Is BAD, Watch Out For Chinese Social Media! (1984-Style)

in news •  7 years ago 

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...it practically makes Facebook look a "patriot bar", circa 1765.

China is pioneering a social control plan right out of 1983 (before things really heated up in 1984,) and I fear it might know exactly how to market it to Millennials - wrap it in a veneer of social media egomania.

China plans to begin attributing "values" to all citizens by launching a social media network that will carefully collect data points on every individual, put this information through an impersonal algorithm, and spit out a "Citizen Rating" on the other side. This rating is not unlike a credit score, and effectively boils down your entire existence to one single, 3-digit number.

Like a US FICO credit score, only even more sinister.

The Wall Street Journal obtained and released documents detailing the proposed inputs for this rating system, and although they maintain the veneer of relative appropriateness, I'm here to tell you this is an Orwellian nightmare

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I highlighted the contributing factors above, color-coding them into relative levels of personal disdain.

I'm sorry, but that is horrifying.

The ones I highlighted in green, most people can be sort of OK with.

Yellow is getting questionable. Effectively, we're deciding human value at the yellow level by rating you on your ability to repay loans (make long-term, complex financial decisions) and your ability to conform to fascist dictates about how many children you are allowed to have and when.

At Red, we veer directly into the text of "Animal Farm". We start rating people on their "family devotion", "shopping habits", "wrong-think opinions" and what online trolls say about them. This is so subjective it's practically a handbook for oppression.

As you can see above, they fully intend to cut you off from most forms of credit, the internet, and social services themselves if they decide that you belong in the undesirable category. Naturally, they have left a massive amount of "judgment" in the determining of who is engaging in "wrong-think/speak", so they'll find a way to put you there if they want you there.

Sure seems like a great way to close budget deficits that will likely be ballooning very soon - simply declare any undesirables to be in violation of your "Social policy", then cut them all off from all tax-funded services.

I daresay China has just invented a new, shinier way of disenfranchising hobos and the lower classes until they actually just go crawl in a hole and die!

Nicely done, China, you totalitarian hellhole of conformism.

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I sort of forced myself to include this after my opening line.

I have almost nothing but reservations about this plan. I am already a staunch advocate against almost all forms of social media. All social media really accomplishes is creating entitled, egotistical users who are rendered almost completely without an attention span or the ability to form thoughts more complex than "I'm hungry," after prolonged exposure.

Of course, that description lines up most closely with Facebook, however I can't imagine that combining all the crackdowns of the Gestapo with the ability to update your status to "held extra-judicially by corrupt Chinese Communists" is going to produce anything other than the worst social media nightmare imaginable.

I wonder what kind of rating Kim Kardashian would get?

Maybe a...D?

PS - Taiwan is Real China, China is a Ruskie Commie Outpost.

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Sources: Google, Wall Street Journal, 1984, Animal Farm
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I always repeat: Whatever the US does, Russia and China do the same and more.

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PS - Taiwan is Real China, China is a Ruskie Commie Outpost.

This is historically accurate. Also Taiwan is free, it has a great economy and great culture. Many Chinese people would killing to be in Taiwan. The Taxes are are also low.

You won't be able to buy or sell without the mark....

The second anything like this comes close to being a reality/requirement here, I'm getting off ALL platforms. It pays now to learn how to live without technology. One day, you may not be "allowed" to and that is the moment you'll need it the most.

This is scary as hell! And nobody seems to care or notice what is actually going on."they"might try and do this in western countries in the not to distant future.if "they" do i will be leaving the UK for a slightly free-er country,i am prepared.

Mate, you should already look to move to a less cancerous country. UK is turning into a shithole when it comes to freedom. Have you heard about Count Dankula's case?

User name checks out. May be an expert on this topic.

  ·  7 years ago (edited)

I'm a Chinese Citizen and I can assure you that this is mostly a hundred percent real. The situation is a lot worse than this in Xinjiang (currently a province in China), and I believe that it's only a matter of time that this situation goes from Xinjiang to all over China. It's horrible and I believe we need to do something.

Horrifying? Yes. Surprising? Not at all. China as never been shy it exerting control over every aspect of their society. What will be interesting is how the Chinese people will figure out ways to game the system. People can be very clever when it comes to finding the cracks in an oppressive system of control.

Also interesting how this will play out with their economy. They are too smart to shoot into their leg, even if their decisions sound horrifying.

I agree. At least for the past few decades, China seems to have done little to harm their standing in the world. The United States on the other hand ...

Chinese culture is unique. Very much a crowd mentality. Little care for surveillance and big brother state, so long as they can eat well and make money.

Holy smoke! What the hell were they thinking? Do they really want to control their citizen that much? Though I'm aware that they've been trying to control their citizens for years. I think this is just going too far. I feel for the regular Chinese citizen, though they might think otherwise considering their culture.

"What the hell were they thinking? Do they really want to control their citizen that much?"

Yes, yes they do.

They are more accepting of conformism in Asian cultures, but I couldn't tell you exactly how much from personal experience.

Hmm, it just looks like optimized and centralized surveillance, nothing new. Eligibility for state jobs, insurance premiums, some social services availability, loan rates, international travel is already controlled per some of mentioned inputs, but that is being done by different bodies and organizations.

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@lexiconical, you should really check out posts by people who are supporting the @Stephenkendal #deletefacebook campaign.

This really alarmed me but I gotta admit, what you said about Kim Kardashian cracked me up at the end.

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I was temporarily living in China until just after Chinese New Years. Once I got my residency permit, local bank account and the works I found myself tied into the existing social networking system though to a lesser extent than any citizen will be when the citizen rating system goes on line. Eerily the preliminary infrastructure is essentially there. Already your information is identified to your phone, your messaging is monitored, your movements tracked, your access to services (e.g. visa, banking, internet) regulated based on your online behavior.

  ·  7 years ago (edited)

Facebook is already doing what you are writing for Chinese social media and much more than that.
Chinese are trying to copy and that is all. Difference is in the system Chinese system is allowing information leak but Facebook system thrives. It is limiting people liberty to the point where they are so insignificant that they zone out into nothingness and everything stays secret.

Yeah, I could write an entire book about what's wrong with everything Facebook does.

This is exactly the reason why everyone needs to quit Facebook and get on steemit.
They all steal our information and sell it off to whoever bids better, whatever I check out on an online store immediately appears on my Facebook page the next time i login as ads.

DEcentralization OVER everything.

But that is just simple cookie reading by some ad network, like AdSense. There are tools to block it, if that anoys you.

Thanks.
Please how do I block it?

AdBlock is #1 tool for this purpose

  ·  7 years ago Reveal Comment

Do you have something to hide? Why are you afraid of being watched?

I hope this is a satirical comment.

Everyone has something to hide, full surveillance = full blackmail control of 100% of population.

blackmailing what? an ad now and then maybe

well written!
scary stuff... :-/

Not sure what the hell to say to this.

always look at the brighter side

Do you know about the social city in china?
where everyone is filmed and rate 24/7?
that's some really crazy stuff!

I hadn't heard of this specifically, but at this point I assume I'm on camera at all times in public anyway...

yes but you are rated and based on your rate points you get access to better health care (or not...) and thats really terrifying!

Quite interesting, though i had little knowledge on how strict Chinese government handle the control of their citizens social life. Well from what is happening and what may happened beyond may not be quite a heavy surprise knowing whats on ground. Just doing things in extreme is quite provoking.

I have read this article and told myself God, this is bad! but then I asked myself Is this how it is supposed to be?

If you think about this, how do we know that this is not the way the humanity is supposed to evolve, making the artificial version of natural selection.

I know this sounds completely sick, but I stopped denying things right from the beginning a long time ago.

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China is ahead of the game in totalitarianism, but whats to prevent steem or something like it from turning into the social credit system of the future? How different is a citizen rating from a reputation score? :|

The idea of a citizen rating on values is terrifying. ISIS and other extremist religions do this too...

For me the most terrifying is "travel abroad". Imagine if they didn't let you out because you said something bad about CCP. Also, take a look at this:

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(idk why it appears like I have liked the tweet, I did not!)

I keep getting CGTN promoted posts on twitter! I always try to reply to them, but sometimes I just forget because I get soo many CGTN ads!

Do they list anywhere how exactly the reputation of an individual is computed? Is it just run off a central server or is it a centrally controlled blockchain?

I watched a post yesterday: https://steemit.com/dtube/@pressfortruth/kvwgyreu where he discloses 800 state sanctioned hospitals that are targeting groups of people and then harvesting their organs live without anesthesia and finally cremating the bodies to cover up the evidence. It's pretty scary what lengths China will go to control their population.

Anyone reading this comment, please go to the post above and watch the video posted in the first comment about our hospital system making $11M off a single body that has its organs donated... I'm removing from my drivers license my offer to donate my organs.

THE FUTURE !!! IS HERE

That was literally an episode of black mirror on netflix.

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So you said "almost all forms of social media". I am guessing that steemit is one of the few you are not against? Personally I like it more because people are much more respectful on steemit.

Facebook no está muy lejos. Pero con la diferencia, que este no está bajo el control de ningun estado, y la información suministrada no puede ser utilizada.
Todo lo referente a China es una barbaridad.

George Orwell is probably turning in his grave right now. 1984 all over again! I wrote about just how desperate facebook is getting earlier today. Decentralized internet couldn't come any sooner!