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dksart (63) · 7 years ago

you are exactly correct @preparedwombat based on what Trump Jr wrote in those emails he released he basically proved he intended to break the law... whether he is prosecuted or goes to jail is another story, since rich powerful people don't usually do jail time in the USA ;)

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neoncow (46) · 7 years ago (edited)

And just to spell it out.

Trump Jr.'s email literally says "This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump - helped along by Aras and Emin." It literally says the Russian government is behind the information
Trump Jr.'s email says that she's a "russian government attorney". Even if she isn't a government employee, the email itself presents her as one. So Trump Jr. was told he was going into a meeting with a government employee.
Trump Jr. also forwards the entire email chain to Kushner and Manafort who now have also been told that this was a meeting with a "russian government attorney". Kushner has failed to disclose this content in his security clearances (all contact with foreign government officials need to be documented so the intelligence agencies can ensure the safety). So Kushner is either a) incompetent and can't keep track of all his contacts with foreign government officials or b) he is hiding his contact with foreign government officials.
- These lapses should immediately revoke his security clearance until the connection is investigated. Lying on these forms is a felony.
Trump Jr.'s statement said they talked about adoption policy and the Magnitsky act. ( The Russian adoption policy was enacted in retaliation to the sanctions in the Magnitsky act -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnitsky_Act). Basically she's asking for political favors in exchange for the information. Essentially: "We'll give you opposition research if you give leeway on sanctions"
- Jr. is downplaying an obvious deal in front of him.

For those following along, here's the email from the source himself spread over two tweets:
https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/884789839522140166
https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/884789418455953413

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twitterbot (56) · 7 years ago

Donald Trump Jr. tweeted @ 11 Jul 2017 - 15:00 UTC

Here's my statement and the full email chain https://t.co/x050r5n5LQ

Donald Trump Jr. tweeted @ 11 Jul 2017 - 15:01 UTC

Here is page 4 (which did not post due to space constraints). https://t.co/z1Xi4nr2gq

Disclaimer: I am just a bot trying to be helpful.

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trumpman (72) · 7 years ago

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trumpman (72) · 7 years ago

what kind of law are you talking about?

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dksart (63) · 7 years ago

this is the law I am talking about https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/11/110.20
if they prosecute they have to prove intent, Trump Jr pretty much incriminated himself in those emails, because he knew he was meeting with a foreign national to get information on Hillary, so he broke the law I linked. Even though he did not get info does not matter, all that has to be proven in court is that he intended to break the law...

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trumpman (72) · 7 years ago (edited)

the law you linked talks about "contributions, donations, expenditures, independent expenditures, and disbursements", or simply put money. Information is not money. Please try better.

Meanwhile here's a nice meme that's spot on for you:

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dksart (63) · 7 years ago

The law also says no one is allowed to "solicit, accept, or receive" any thing of value from a foreign national to help a candidate. Information has value, but again that is for the courts to decide if he is prosecuted.

point (51) · 7 years ago

You do remember the fake dossier on Trump that the DNC paid a foreign agent for?

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dksart (63) · 7 years ago

ok... not sure what that has to do with Turm Jr emails... but yes if the DNC broke the law and there is evidence to prove it they should also be prosecuted, I am not defending the DNC nor Clinton, in my opinion both Trumps and Clintons are corrupt corporatists... all I am doing is pointing out the blatant evidence in Trump Jr's owns emails that he released himself that show he broke the above law I linked.

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point (51) · 7 years ago

The same clowns behind the fake dossier are also behind the Russian spy setup. Their tangled webs are becoming unraveled.

trumpman (72) · 7 years ago

meanwhile, Former senior counsel for the FEC confirms Don Jr DID NOT break election law. I am sure her credentials are better that yours

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trumpman (72) · 7 years ago (edited)

I think you are making a huge mental gap, but as you said it's up to the courts to decide. Still, I don't see anything wrong to have a discussion with somebody who has dirt on your political opponent, from an ethical aspect, especially if she is doesn't have any govermental ties., which she didn't.

And let's assume that ok, Trump Jr is the bad guy and what he did was treason (lol) according to the letter of the law. Ok. Why any of you aren't asking the next logical question. What kind of dirt did the russian lawyer have on Hilarry.

The funny thing is that you think this big news story (lol again) will mean the end of Trump. But instead it will backfire so hard on you. Just wait a few weeks

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dksart (63) · 7 years ago

hehe, I did not think this was big news until Trump Jr released his emails... and I am just telling you what the law states "no one is allowed to solicit, accept, or receive any thing of value from a foreign national to help a candidate" and a court would be making the decision if Trump Jr is guilty... but look at the email exchange, it says the lawyer was a Russian gov lawyer with information about Hillary (if she was a Russian gov lawyer or not does not matter Trump Jr thought she was), and Trump Jr happily agreed to meet with her, so just based on that he intended to break the law.... I doubt that he knows that what he was doing is against the law but unfortunately pleading dumb in court does not work... regardless I have no idea if anything will become of this because people like Trump and Clinton are above the law ;)

http://www.businessinsider.com/magnitsky-act-russian-adoptions-donald-trump-jr-meeting-2017-7

neoncow (46) · 7 years ago

Imagine it wasn't money, but a stolen car paid gifted by a foreign government.

The car has value and accepting this from a foreign government with the aim to influence the election is illegal. Accepting stolen goods is illegal.

It goes the same with information. Information is valuable, this particular information would be called "opposition research". Campaigns pay for this research, so when a foreign government does it for you and offers it to you, this is a contribution/donation/gift.

Additionally, Trump Jr. said they talked about adoptions and it was a waste of time. She was offering Jr. a deal and he's downplaying it.

Adoptions are a reference to the ban on Americans adopting Russian children. This ban was instituted in retaliation for sanctions imposed on Russia for violating human rights (Magnitsky Act - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnitsky_Act).

She's offering the "opposition research" in exchange for a political favor from Trump in opposing Russian sanctions.

trumpman (72) · 7 years ago (edited)

You are stretching it a lot to prove your point. Before I quoted an election lawyer who has a different opinion than you. Since then, more have come to say the same. Sorry an election lawyer has much better credentials than you. The courts will speak and nothing will happen. Once again, all you have is a nothing burger.

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trumpman (72) · 7 years ago (edited)

It's funny. You libtards went from "Trump is Putin's puppet" and "Trump is a Russian spy" to "the son of trump was supposed to have a meeting with a lawyer that had dirt on Hillary but they didn't meet after all" And you want to be taken seriously? And why aren't you asking what kind of dirt (if any) did the lawyer have for Hillary? You are truly pathetic and that's why Trump will win the second term. And after that get prepared for Trump jr President. He looks like a nice candidate :) The real triggering has yet to get started. Enjoy the trump train crashing you.

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