But... the referendum is illegal !!
So let's be OK with beating unarmed old ladies to bloody pulp and make sure people never have the freedom to hold a referendum...
https://twitter.com/ThomasVLinge/status/914464713542635520
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What do you expect when you do an illegal act. The police have to enforce law with proportional force and that is what the Spanish police has done like it is done in any democratic and law abiding country.
Don't cry you get what you asked for...
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The world is watching... Spain will get what it asked for.
https://twitter.com/hashtag/CatalanReferendum
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All the world leaders have already expressed their support to Rajoy. The secessionism is dead!
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the referendum has been declared illegal, by an urgent law through the parliament to stop it. I mean, rule of law? lol.
Concerning Rajoy, I know ! It's even frightening and very sad. When you think that all of this and what will come, could have been solved by a vote. Why didn't the central occupational governement of spain plan it? why don't they want democracy?
How will the catalans and spanish feel on monday? Wouldn't a vote be simpler and leave less biterness or even anger and hate? So much pain for so little gain for spain.
If spain was great they wouldn't want to leave...
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They want to leave because they have been indoctrinated with lies for more than 30 years. I've seen it myself with my own eyes.
Why have the secessionist politicians done this? For the oldest reason in the world, power, and money. They want to be the kings of their own little country by stealing the land of Spain, but they will never ever manage to do it because Spain has the law and the reason on its side.
Spain is a democracy and Democracy is that all Spaniards decide whether they want a region of Spain to secede or not, anything else is not democracy but an illegal secession of a country against international law, the European Union Constitution and the Spanish Constitution.
The world understands this and that is why all major countries have expressed the support to the Spanish government, from Merkel to Trump.
On Monday the secessionist will be sad, very sad, and if they dare to unilaterally declare secession they will end up with their bones in jail like it happened to Companys the previous time that this happened.
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the secessionists don't threaten of violence, they want peaceful independence... easy to see who is the oppressors. what does jfk said about peaceful revolution? Catalan isn't a language? Don't they have an identity, can't they have the right to self rule? How did all the formers colonies of spain secede? btw there is no European Union Constitution. it's just an authoritarian super state with no constitution, using of ruse and deceit to gain more control and income from the area it dominates.
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About the European Constitution, well, yes, technically we have the European Union treaties amended by the Treaty of Lisbon when the original constitution was not ratified by the French and the Duch, but the Treaty of Lisbon implements into the European Union Treaties what the European Constitution was supposed to implement, so in practice we do have it but with just a different name.
You must be crazy to compare a colony to a part of Spain. Catalonia is an integral part of Spain and never a colony. If you know a bit of history and international law you will know that the UN has a Special Committee on Decolonization that has said nothing about Catalonia being a Colony of Spain, obviously, because it is only common sense. It's like saying that Provence is a Colony of France or that California is a colony of the United States, only someone very confused could say something that crazy.
Qui ha parlat sobre el català? De fet, em parlo un poc de català, encara que tinc un poc oblidat ja fa anys que vaig deixar de viure a Catalunya.
Don't mix things, don't patronize me, the idea that you have been indoctrinated into about the rest of Spaniards is wrong. Spaniards are not fascist, "Franquistas" anti-Catalan and Catalonia. All those are the lies that told you to instigate hatred against the rest of your Spaniard brothers.
Accept that Catalonia is part of Spain, it will always be, and let's work together to fix our country, that there are many things to fix.
Stop hating, the rest of Spaniards do not hate you, but they are against the fascists secessionist politicians that want to steal part of the land of Spain.
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technically all us states are colonies that become republic to merge in the federation called : the United States of America Inc, whose one single state (california) had double the gdp of spain, and doing it with less people, realizing the promise of the pursuit of liberty and happyness under the sun of the west coast. Don't compare, don't try to bash, it's the united states of america, where even steem is incorporated.
so you work for the occupational spanish forces of catalonia?
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Again, the police have to take proportional force to comply with judicial orders. If old ladies try to stop the police complying with their work they will need to remove them with proportional force and that is exactly what they are doing. There are policemen injured also.
It reminds me of some other type of people using their elderly and children as human shields, a very nasty, dishonest and low tactic
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The problem is about the legality of the orders given to the police. actually having order isn't a really good defense line because the real question is the legitimacy of such orders.
Why stop a vote? Isn't spain a democracy? why hasn't the cenntral occupational spanish government isn't issue another date for such a vote? Why aren't the basic tenets of democracy followed?
Then you attempt at deligitimizing the peacefull praticionners of democracy is not going to work. Here sadly for you and contrary to the msm we have "unallowed pictures" of old and young people being beaten by the state occupational forces.
and you know it.
Isn't part of self determination a great value to pursue? Furthermore a world where people can peacefully settle those issues through honest and impartial votes isn't safer for all?
Tomorrow you will get your check for your efforts, in a broken spain? Look at the english who btw belongs Gibraltar, they made a vote, I mean many votes. Results scotland stays in the UK, Brexit on. Violence? Distrusts with the cops? Problems for generations to come? None.
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Democracy is that all Spaniards decide whether they want a region of Spain to secede or not, anything else is not democracy but an illegal secession of a country against international law, the European Union Constitution and the Spanish Constitution. The world understands this and that is why all major countries have expressed the support to the Spanish government, from Merkel to Trump.
So Spain is democratic and the secessionist regional politicians are fascist that want to impose their will on the rest of Spaniards by stealing part of the land of Spain from them.
Scotland has less self-governance than what any Spanish autonomous region has. And believe me that the UK has been very lucky (and smart) because the EU doesn't have an army yet. If they had waited for the EU to have its own army Brexit will not have been possible as it stands today.
Many lives were lost in the First Spanish Civil War because of the secessionist government from Companys, who ended up in prison and then shot dead. The current regional secessionist politicians will end up in prison also, although this time they will not be shot, we are now in democracy and not in war... at least yet.
Then you have the pictures used for propaganda from elderly and children, the same tactic than ISIS.
Those people came to do an illegal act as recognized by the judges applying the Spanish Constitution. Even though they tried to do something illegal the police did not take any action against them for that illegal act. The police went only to seize the materials for the illegal act. What they found then is people trying to avoid them doing their work so they had no option to remove them with proportional force.
Blocking the police with the elderly and children is making them human shields like ISIS does and the world is very aware of that tactic already, it won't work ;)
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Why can't the catalans vote ? why can't the spanish vote ? why votes are so badly seen in europe? Why delegate everything to law makers? why can't the people vote on certain issues?
you know representativity.
anyway the spanish governement has become the occupational forces of catalonia... how to change this fact?
As you bring the isis, how where the spanish successful in their last occupations. How many lands have secede spain in the last centuries?
spain seems to be a failed concept and reality... at least if someone center of the world isn't fcb vs rm...
no those pictures, you hate them, and want them censored... you know spanish debt rating etc... it's all about money and the image to protect it.
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WTF!? Seems that your brain is getting a bit confused by now, hahaha
You are mixing everything and asking again the same questions:
Why Spaniards from Catalonia cannot vote secession? I answered you already: against European Constitution and Spanish Constitution. Change those two constitutions and then you will be able to legally vote secession.
The Spanish government by definition cannot become occupational forces in the region of Catalonia. A government cannot be occupational forces in its own country!? Hahaha
Failed concept? A country with a history of thousands of years a "failed concept"? Hahahaha, I know that is what the fascist secessionist have taught you since your childhood, so I understand that you are a bit confused... but please, think for your self. Spain is a great country and one of the main countries in the European Union.
I don't want to censor anything, on the contrary, it is your fascist secessionist politicians that have been censoring and teaching hate to anything Spanish for more than 30 years to move forward their secessionist agenda.
Debt rating? Wow... we get in a completely new sphear of knowledge... are you ready t handle it? The western economies are all broken because of social democracy and the welfare state. The US is the biggest debtor in the world with over 30 US$ trillions of debt that they will never be able to repay. We could talk hours and hours about that, in any case, the region of Catalonia is even more broke than the whole of Spain to which it belongs, and the region of Catalonia is part of the reason for the debt of Spain, obviously. In fact, I would say that Catalonia and the Basque regions are the main responsible for the debt of Spain because it was because of them that the crazy system of having 17 inefficient states multiplying by 17 the inefficiencies. Without the autonomous regions will be much more productive and efficient. Think that California has one single government and is of a very similar size and economy than Spain. There is no need at all for 17 mini-states but only one single government for all Spaniards.
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Ah yes, they are only there as human shield. They didn't come because they wanted to vote...
https://twitter.com/Alba_ilar/status/914450805364846594
Again, you're not fooling anyone...
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Those people came to do an illegal act as recognized by the judges applying the Spanish Constitution. Even though they tried to do something illegal the police did not take any action against them for that illegal act. The police went only to seize the materials for the illegal act. What they found then is people trying to avoid them doing their work so they had no option to remove them with proportional force.
Blocking the police with the elderly and children is making them human shields
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lol thanks @yogi we all saw the pictures and the tv reports. It's simple this freedomvigilante is not honest with reality. the real question is his motive($). this is the interesting part. Such people always appears around critical issues, like the right for catalans to self determine their futures and if they want to be part of spain or not.
of course he will use all lies at his disposal. he doesn't care about the facts and apprently has no interest in what happen there.
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I wish they paid me for these posts, I would only get some steem, maybe :D
I'm showing the truth that the fascist secessionist had hidden from the Spaniards in Catalonia for more than 30 years. The source of the problems in Catalonia is those fascist secessionists that govern them. It is amazing that the Spaniards in Catalonia don't realize of the very old and childish tactic they use. We are your rulers but all the problems you have is not my fault it is "theirs" (from "Madrid"). Exactly the same that children do "it wasn't me..." hahaha How can you fall for it???? hahaha
Why have the secessionist politicians done this? For the oldest reason in the world, power, and money. They want to be the kings of their own little country by stealing the land of Spain, but they will never ever manage to do it because Spain has the law and the reason on its side.
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No the source of the problem is that spain occupies catalonia. Spain had to occupy catalonia otherwise the french would have been beyond the mountain range. This is the main reason why spain occupies catalonia.
look at the real history of the people there, not some artificial 20's century artificial history.
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WOW, you are so indoctrinated and wrong that I won't even discuss it with you until you learn the real history and not the distorted history that your fascist secessionist has taught you.
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The catalans people want to vote. you oppose it. who is the authoritarian between us?
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