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mrnazrul (68) · 6 years ago

Hello my dear #fingolfin , "Buck" is expressed through the sound. This is the usual rule. People used to be respected and hated. If there was a tax on the use of speech, there would have been no quarrel between the two. I do not know if the government will take prisoner in speech. But in 1952, the then East Pakistan government (now Bangladesh) killed people in the capital Dhaka in a procession demanding free speech application. 21st February International "Mother Language Day" Thanks God and all .

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fingolfin (61) · 6 years ago

That made absolutely no sense...

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mrnazrul (68) · 6 years ago

Thanks

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isacoin (64) · 6 years ago

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igster (63) · 6 years ago

I'm reading your comment just fine using Steemit

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felipejoys (71) · 6 years ago

Exactly.

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isacoin (64) · 6 years ago

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felipejoys (71) · 6 years ago (edited)

I'm seeing your comment. That's all there is to it. Arguing without logic is the same as trolling...

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isacoin (64) · 6 years ago (edited)

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isacoin (64) · 6 years ago

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igster (63) · 6 years ago

Takes under a second and almost no effort to see your message. If you call that being censored, okay. If you feel abused, just create a new account and don't interact with bernie. It's that simple. System like this enables all kinds of people.

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isacoin (64) · 6 years ago

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felipejoys (71) · 6 years ago (edited)

But it is not hidden and that's still important. Sure, it isn't the ideal solution, but it's still important nonetheless. It's a tool and like all tools, it can be abused. I agree with you to an extent, just not with all of it.

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igster (63) · 6 years ago (edited)

Slightly less, yes, we can agree there. But I wouldn't call it censorship either.

You could also easily build a frontend that treats all messages the same, flagged or not.

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klevn (47) · 6 years ago

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llfarms (68) · 6 years ago (edited)

Actually, people seem to have a big misunderstanding of what “downvotes” are designed for.

This is a reward based platform and downvotes are a way to regulate those rewards, using ones stake.

Trolling is a valid reason to receive a downvote, so is disagreement with rewards received. Downvotes can also be used as a way to help fight plagiarism as well as fight reward “farming.” Each can use theirs the way they see fit and by downvoting something, it’s returning those rewards to the pool to be distributed to everyone else.

Unfortunately they are not used responsibly by most and then others seem to rage when they receive one.. so yeah, things could be better.

There is also this mute button that works to not “see” people, as well as not visiting their blog. Plus, the upcoming communities feature should help with this quite a bit.

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felipejoys (71) · 6 years ago (edited)

Trolling is a valid use for it

Haha. Let's take a good look at this logic so it is clear why it is stupid:

You're interpreting the list in a way that "if you want to be an internet troll, then you should downvote and that is acceptable."

So let's replace this reason with something else from the list. "If you want to be a plagiarizer, then you should downvote and that is acceptable." See? That's stupid.

Now let me guess: "but this is how I see it." No, it's selfish abuse. By logic, taking a personal interpretation and turning it into "the only thing that is true" defaults to being an asshole. If you enforce it, it's tyranny. That's all there is to it.

"But it's my stake and I can be a tyrant in any way I want!" Well, that's a whole different story. And yes. We understand you can.

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llfarms (68) · 6 years ago

I’m not even sure who you are talking to, the English words up there that I wrote state that trolling was a valid reason to receive a downvote or flag.

As in, if you are an internet troll.. someone is fully within their rights (per the whole idea behind the downvote feature) to use their downvotes (and stake) on you.

It seems you and @klevn both took that as me saying it meant trolling is what you should do? 🤔 I’d apologize for any confusion, but I don’t see how there was any.

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klevn (47) · 6 years ago

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igster (63) · 6 years ago

Well you can't drive him away either in a system like this, so just avoid him or go back to systems where admins do have ultimate control on who gets seen or not.

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klevn (47) · 6 years ago

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igster (63) · 6 years ago (edited)

What should be done? Just mute him and if he still flags you, that's his right as a stake holder in this decentralized system. Your content will still be visible which is better than in traditional platforms...

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imacryptorick (61) · 6 years ago

Freedom of speech does not mean freedom of consequence.

Where do we want the consequences to end, though?
Should business be allowed to discriminate based on political opinions? Should wanabe militias be allowed to arrange physical consequences to those when deviate too much from far-left politics? Should business be allowed to refuse service to clients who voted for the other candidate?
Where do we draw the line on speech is just half of equation, the consequence part is just as important...

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wycliff (25) · 6 years ago

Nice

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https://steemit.com/art/@knowledge-trust/make-it-your-idea

knowledge-trust (52) · 6 years ago

However there is NO FREE SPEECH on PRIVATE PROPERTY!!! In the mean time, there is this post:

Dollar Bill.jpg

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ma1neevent (66) · 6 years ago

Freedom of speech until its something they don't want to hear. It works both ways... I agree.

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berniesanders (77) · 6 years ago (edited)

Or when they give a flag, and write a whiny post when one is received...

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hstark (25) · 6 years ago

No it's not. There aren't conservative equivalents to things like left wing college campuses where you can be disciplined for not being racist against white people, or left wing mainstream websites like Facebook and Reddit where you can be banned from most subreddits just for asking uncomfortable questions. Most right-wing online platforms very much welcome people from the opposing side expressing their views.

The idea that conservatives are as against freedom of speech as liberals is one of the most delusionally defensive examples of the psychosis of the modern American left.

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viraldrome (67) · 6 years ago

@hstark it's easy to convince dumb white trash that university limits free speech, because it's one of those places you people will never set foot. Same with how you can be told any nonsense about Europe because its not like you have a passport.

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https://steemit.com/censorship/@sgtreport/google-gestapo-just-terminated-this-video

gfddiver (34) · 6 years ago (edited)

the only real definition of white trash is when I blow my big white load of cum on your mom's face

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richatvns (73) · 6 years ago

I am independent and I find the reality to be exactly the opposite, the left lets in to many ideas and they look like a bunch of chickens with their heads cut off trying to please everyone by trying to understand evey view point and they get bogged down in it. While the conservative right gets in lock step behind the status quo and won't change or listen to things...

It's even in the definition of their names, stop playing fake spin on things.

While conservative are supposedly for freedom of speech they support it to the level of really only pushing dogma.

Again I am not a blue or red. I'm in the middle and I have seen this for 4.5 decades. I will state it started to changing over 30 years ago.

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felipejoys (71) · 6 years ago

We do have a lot more freedom even on the steemit website itself, since posts can still be seen even when greyed out... It feels like noone else understands this tad bit, but it's a major turning point. We get stuff deleted on Facebook, but not here.

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berniesanders (77) · 6 years ago

Well, these "freedom fighter" types usually aren't the brightest. You can typically identify them by listening to their conversations about how the "earth is flat", etc.

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ocrdu (71) · 6 years ago

The Earth is a pizza. Everybody knows that.

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blto83 (5) · 6 years ago

lol i do agree earth is pizza and burgers too :D

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felipejoys (71) · 6 years ago

In your opinion, which would be the types who are the brightest?

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berniesanders (77) · 6 years ago

Ones who know the Earth is not flat.

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angels (56) · 6 years ago

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grey580 (61) · 6 years ago

blackhole flat.jpg

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isacoin (64) · 6 years ago

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ssjsasha (67) · 6 years ago

It’s crazy how people complain instead of research

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felipejoys (71) · 6 years ago

research

that's like an urban myth now

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shanghaipreneur (70) · 6 years ago

I 100% agree. Free speech goes both ways. So people can both agree and disagree with whomever they please. It's kind of beautiful.

There is also the uncomfortable bit about your free speech impinging on my free speech and vice versa. Too much free speech actually means we don't have any free speech. Ya dig?

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axident (39) · 6 years ago

We do have much more opportunity even on the steemit site itself, since posts can at present be seen notwithstanding when turned gray out... It feels like noone else comprehends this tiny bit, however it's a noteworthy defining moment. We get stuff erased on Facebook, yet not here

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mulletwang (59) · 6 years ago

!dramatoken

Freedomforall or else freedom for none. Steemit offer freedom for all and IMHO it is much better than any altetnative.

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dramatoken (62) · 6 years ago

There's not enough DRAMA to go around.

^{To view or trade DRAMA go to steem-engine.com.}

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kingscrown (81) · 6 years ago

can i make diary on blockchain

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supermeatboy (67) · 6 years ago

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kingrefat (53) · 6 years ago

Thats owner to me sir berniesanders .
Your post is really helpful for making good speech.
Thank you very much sir .
@kingrefat

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imacryptorick (61) · 6 years ago (edited)

As long as witnesses/node operators aren't arbitrating what transactions (posts/comments) are allowed, we'll probably be OK. As long as anyone can setup a competitive Steem UI, all ideas will have a place on the blockchain, even really, really stupid ones.

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knowledge-trust (52) · 6 years ago

Is this a stupid post? :https://steemit.com/art/@knowledge-trust/make-it-your-idea

It must be, since I can't get a single comment!

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imacryptorick (61) · 6 years ago

If it's art related, maybe share it on Ntopaz? 🤷🏻‍♂️

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hansgans (53) · 6 years ago (edited)

Have you heard about the new game on the Steem blockchain? I call it NextSanders.

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eventar15 (33) · 6 years ago

The freedom of expression will always exist, it is the decision of each one if it enforces it or allows it to be taken away.

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steemitboard (66) · 6 years ago

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uwelang (74) · 6 years ago

lol, what happened again? Anything in particular or the usual stuff of free writers that complain when flagged? I miss too much these days it seems

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fresh-faced (43) · 6 years ago

🙄🙄😂

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bearbear613 (67) · 6 years ago

I have followed your lead. STEEM BLOG is nothing more than a platform for:

A. Morons
B. Rejects
C. Patriot Wannabe's
D. Ponzi Schemes

E. Good people who are ignorant

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masterthematrix (60) · 6 years ago

For which of these reasons are you here?

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bearbear613 (67) · 6 years ago

D. What else is the self upvote for?!?

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masterthematrix (60) · 6 years ago

I'm just curious if you don't like the system, what keeps you here?

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bearbear613 (67) · 6 years ago

FREE MONEY

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masterthematrix (60) · 6 years ago

Nice! But how is it free? You have to pay for your Steem Account or invest some Steempower to make any significant amount of payout.
The only "Free Money" would be the upvotes from others on your content.

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bearbear613 (67) · 6 years ago

you are assuming a put in a penny to this ponzi. I didn't. I studied it. I wrote stuff back in the day. I used bots back in the day (when they made you a profit). Now you have to pay ;).. and anyone paying is making my STEEM go up. Now I'm just delegating and writing next to nothing. Now people use my power and pay me for it. YAY - delegation.

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klevn (47) · 6 years ago

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isacoin (64) · 6 years ago

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shaya6677 (51) · 6 years ago

Hiiii
How are u?
Can you help me, how can i get more vote to the steemit?

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mealhound (56) · 6 years ago

Totally agree! I wont go into the details but a group of free speech warriors tried to hound me off a forum site once because i didn't agree with their opinions, because my sensibilities were different to theirs...funny thing is they didn't even see the irony.

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michealb (66) · 6 years ago

lol.

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ronile (25) · 6 years ago

Una plataforma para fomentar la lectura y la expresión

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ccssonsworkshop (55) · 6 years ago

Preach!

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madalchemist (52) · 6 years ago

You never hear people on Reddit saying downvotes that make comments invisible are censorship, you only hear that shit here by people upset their rewards got voted away. It's about people being feeling entitled to payment, not freedom of speech.

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fresh-faced (43) · 6 years ago

Brilliant

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androsmagnum (30) · 6 years ago

You a Statist.

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tom.ter (40) · 6 years ago

... and liberals are only such a problem today because they wield the violence of government.

The big surprise is that Satoshi Nakamoto want to use the big government hammer to silence you wankers too.

It is the paradox of the universe which is a song that never ends.

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deadman1 (58) · 6 years ago

Nice word or quote....

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kramgelo (48) · 6 years ago

Well this is a freedom of speech.. 🙎

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borjan (70) · 6 years ago

Until nobody touches my freedom to remain silent,it's fine with me.

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mrnazrul (68) · 6 years ago

Dear #berniesanders , You are not outside the intelligent freedom fighter. This post presentation is an expression of "free speech." Although the "free speech" does not reveal, poetic, artistic, and theoretical representation does not always exist. As you've made possible. Can I do that? The answer is yes. The patient forgot to laugh. You also be in the laughing party, wishing for it .Thank you .

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jamesdeagle (61) · 6 years ago

Freedom of speech can (and should always be at least) be a self-declared right, along with the nerve to accept and/or not be intimidated by political or societal consequences, rather than necessarily one afforded by the state.

If you are willing to martyr yourself to make a point on behalf of humanity, then you carry in your heart the most robust freedom of speech possible.

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alvarezaaaa (30) · 6 years ago

me encanta esta publicacion muy interesante

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kored (25) · 6 years ago

I feel comfortable writing in Steemit, so I won't leave it.

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arcange (73) · 6 years ago

Congratulations @berniesanders!
Your post was mentioned in the Steem Hit Parade in the following categories:

Comments - Ranked 1 with 5466 comments
Pending payout - Ranked 1 with $ 236,68

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luzcypher (74) · 6 years ago

It always amazes me how many people choose to whine about anything rather than create or offer solutions. Like children who never grew up.

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