RE: Moving to hive

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Moving to hive

in notentitledtoshit •  5 years ago 

First post of yours I’ve agreed with in awhile...

Freedom of speech does not mean freedom of consequence.

People always seem to forget that part...

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Freedom of speech on 4chan also guarantees freedom of consequences...
The people who don't like it here should go there I think.

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100% agree, freedom of speech just means the government wont throw you in jail for the things you say. You can still say whatever you want but that doesn't mean there wont be consequences.

Hello my dear #fingolfin , "Buck" is expressed through the sound. This is the usual rule. People used to be respected and hated. If there was a tax on the use of speech, there would have been no quarrel between the two. I do not know if the government will take prisoner in speech. But in 1952, the then East Pakistan government (now Bangladesh) killed people in the capital Dhaka in a procession demanding free speech application. 21st February International "Mother Language Day" Thanks God and all .

That made absolutely no sense...

Thanks

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I'm reading your comment just fine using Steemit

Exactly.

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I'm seeing your comment. That's all there is to it. Arguing without logic is the same as trolling...

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That's easily fixable by not focusing on the steemit website itself, which is not the only gateway into the blockchain's content.

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Takes under a second and almost no effort to see your message. If you call that being censored, okay. If you feel abused, just create a new account and don't interact with bernie. It's that simple. System like this enables all kinds of people.

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But it is not hidden and that's still important. Sure, it isn't the ideal solution, but it's still important nonetheless. It's a tool and like all tools, it can be abused. I agree with you to an extent, just not with all of it.

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Slightly less, yes, we can agree there. But I wouldn't call it censorship either.

You could also easily build a frontend that treats all messages the same, flagged or not.

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Actually, people seem to have a big misunderstanding of what “downvotes” are designed for.

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This is a reward based platform and downvotes are a way to regulate those rewards, using ones stake.

Trolling is a valid reason to receive a downvote, so is disagreement with rewards received. Downvotes can also be used as a way to help fight plagiarism as well as fight reward “farming.” Each can use theirs the way they see fit and by downvoting something, it’s returning those rewards to the pool to be distributed to everyone else.

Unfortunately they are not used responsibly by most and then others seem to rage when they receive one.. so yeah, things could be better.

There is also this mute button that works to not “see” people, as well as not visiting their blog. Plus, the upcoming communities feature should help with this quite a bit.

Trolling is a valid use for it

Haha. Let's take a good look at this logic so it is clear why it is stupid:

You're interpreting the list in a way that "if you want to be an internet troll, then you should downvote and that is acceptable."

So let's replace this reason with something else from the list. "If you want to be a plagiarizer, then you should downvote and that is acceptable." See? That's stupid.

Now let me guess: "but this is how I see it." No, it's selfish abuse. By logic, taking a personal interpretation and turning it into "the only thing that is true" defaults to being an asshole. If you enforce it, it's tyranny. That's all there is to it.

"But it's my stake and I can be a tyrant in any way I want!" Well, that's a whole different story. And yes. We understand you can.

I’m not even sure who you are talking to, the English words up there that I wrote state that trolling was a valid reason to receive a downvote or flag.

As in, if you are an internet troll.. someone is fully within their rights (per the whole idea behind the downvote feature) to use their downvotes (and stake) on you.

It seems you and @klevn both took that as me saying it meant trolling is what you should do? 🤔 I’d apologize for any confusion, but I don’t see how there was any.

I understand you now and I apologize. I must say it did seem like you were stating the opposite.

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Well you can't drive him away either in a system like this, so just avoid him or go back to systems where admins do have ultimate control on who gets seen or not.

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What should be done? Just mute him and if he still flags you, that's his right as a stake holder in this decentralized system. Your content will still be visible which is better than in traditional platforms...

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Freedom of speech does not mean freedom of consequence.

Where do we want the consequences to end, though?
Should business be allowed to discriminate based on political opinions? Should wanabe militias be allowed to arrange physical consequences to those when deviate too much from far-left politics? Should business be allowed to refuse service to clients who voted for the other candidate?
Where do we draw the line on speech is just half of equation, the consequence part is just as important...

Nice

However there is NO FREE SPEECH on PRIVATE PROPERTY!!! In the mean time, there is this post:

https://steemit.com/art/@knowledge-trust/make-it-your-idea

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