OCD past HF21

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This will be a post about our plans after HF21 has gone through and what we want to work on to aid our ecosystem with the new changes. Some of you may have noticed OCD recently went into a short break and some of you even asked in our Discord what was up, short answer is the upcoming changes and preparations for them.

Steem and blockchain in general has one of its strengths in being able to adapt at different circumstances, OCD also wants to keep up with the supply and demand of the chain. Right now the demand for curation, although as important as it is considering how little stake is being used to curate with, another demand is needed as well, which is authors to curate. During the bear market, especially in recent months it has become harder and harder to find new authors that we or other of the few curation projects haven't already curated. Our initial rules and restrictions of new authors and the frequency of how often we curate the same authors have had to be lowered and often times even removed due to the effect of the price of Steem. This is of course nothing too bad, for some it may be considered something that crypto enthusiasts like to call as "early adoption bonus" or in this case "low supply bonus" and those who took advantage of writing continuously and staying invested it may pay off at a later date. Due to the lack of marketing in general though, Steem slowly dropping out of the top 100 list on coinmarketcap (hopefully not completely) we wanted to focus some of our attention back to onboarding and curating already established content creators that do not know about Steem or blockchain platforms in general.

The reason we believe this to be of good timing is due to the changes in HF21, the new curve will also allow us to spread our voting power thinner while still rewarding authors approximately the same amount in Steem. Thus with the current voting power of OCD and accounts following us we will be able to put it to more widespread use without curating less than we have before.

Next week we are going to start a trial run of our approaching and onboarding initiative and see if we can successfully get new content creators to join Steem through OCD and use what we have to offer to get involved in our ecosystem. Everything we have to offer outside content creators when joining Steem will be:

  • account creation
  • slider delegation through @ocd-witness
  • curation of first few posts such as introduction posts
  • whitelisting to @ocdb for continuous growth by providing content
  • continuous curation of the invited creators relative to the content
  • guidance
  • fanbase invitations and account creation while curating comments on the author that got them to Steem
  • inform the content creators about upcoming communities and how they can use it to empower themselves and their fanbase

These are the main points we want to focus on and needless to say there will be a lot of other things once we get going and things are flowing.

We want to note that we were first planning on creating our own front-end for OCD & OCDB with a token, ad-revenue, guestaccounts, etc, but at this point in time we believe we will do Steem's sell pressure more a favor by attempting to drive and retain traffic within Steemit.com and hoping "lite" accounts and communities will arrive soon to further aid our efforts.

We aren't looking for assistance other than curation of the content we curate and follows to authors you are interested in as of now, we want to show you what we are doing first and how that evolves and if assistance is required later we will have more documented proof of work and activity for an appropriate application for delegation or aid from the SPS in our efforts of onboarding and retention. Having said that if you have extra SP you don't know what to do with (as if that be the case during these times) or just want to assist curation projects because you feel bad about only delegating to bid bots the past few years (:P) then feel free to delegate to @ocd or @ocd-witness, the latter will focus on continuous curation of content creators we've brought in while the former will curate as usual with 1-2 daily votes going towards the curators in the team.

These are the short term plans for the @ocd and @ocd-witness account, if things go well and we see an increase in not just new accounts but also native languages being used more and are in need of curation we will attempt to also bring that back in the near future if our voting power allows it.

My next post will be about the changes of @ocdb with the upcoming hardfork and as mentioned before our non-profit distribution bot (aka bid bot to some) has only been a side project due to the current system and to mitigate the abuse of bid bots and more stake going towards that, thus we will discuss it in another post.

If you have any questions about @ocd or our new initiative feel free to ask here.

Thanks for reading and supporting @ocd throughout the years, let's make curation great again. ;)


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I have to say, with the focus mainly on onboarding, and new users, steem is going to continue to lose established authors of quality.

Our initial rules and restrictions of new authors and the frequency of how often we curate the same authors have had to be lowered and often times even removed due to the effect of the price of Steem.

Really! I haven't noticed. I've been on a knife edge about powering down and leaving steem for some time now. I'm going to mention these concerns with curie in their private channel at some point, but I really do think the curation guilds should consider supporting decent established content creators on steem more.

Here's the thing, I can only speak to my own experience, I can't speak for anyone else. But since I've powered up all my earnings on here, as well as purchasing steem, both curie and OCD stopped curating me many moons ago. The message seems to be, you've got some stake so we'll forget about you. I stopped creating as much long-form, high quality content on steem simply because it was makeing on average, less than $0.30/hour for my time. Lack of support was happening well before I modified my average post to be shorter posts. Some people may be seeing support, but others aren't and the reality is that quality content creators are here for the hopes of getting paid as much as anyone else. The difference is that decent writers will go elsewhere quicker than shitposters 🤣

I'm waiting to see what happens after HF21... but I honestly don't see any indication in the way people are talking that anything will change. I'd like to post travel articles, short stories, comedy skits and articles around the arts again. But I'm not prepared to spend 4 - 8 hours writing, to have to buy any type of vote above $1.50 average trickling in from some kind peeps auto-voting my posts.

Many many decent writers have already left for all of the reasons I've stated above. These concerns aren't just about me being dissatisfied about my payouts, but also about many long term content creators on here I see who have the same experience.

Ha ha, now I've bitched about things... I do like that you're not messing around with steemengine tokens. I agree with what others have said that the majority of SE tokens are just a money grab and add extra downward pressure on the price of steem. If we can't get an effective content economy working with the native token, what's the point. SMT's need to follow a successful steem model.

Also, I do like your strategies around marketing to try and incentivise and onboard new users.

P.s. I really do hope that all the lazy ass people who delegate all their SP to bidbots do start to delegate to OCD or curie as at least this would guarantee that stake is being used to support real, quality, manually curated content.

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I'll check out your work. Adsup curates established Steem Content Creators who have a history of great content and engagement.

The letter number names rarely catch my attention, so I will take a look. I've recently realized if I can't read the name it doesn't get my attention.

(weird brain tricks)

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I'll check out your work. Adsup curates established Steem Content Creators who have a history of great content and engagement.

Thanks @whatsup. At the moment my content is pretty Haiku heavy as I've been super busy this month and am going on holiday in 5 days. So, my engagement has been a little lack luster.

The letter number names rarely catch my attention.

Ha ha, Yeah. I'm in the same position as abh12345. I chose my username without thinking about it too much, as I never expected steem to be something I'd become so involved with when I first joined up. I vaguely remember thinking that I also wanted to be anonymous and just ended up using my old MSN chat username 🤣 I'm showing my age.

But the username means something. It's my initials (raj) with the 808 being from a rave act I used to like as a teenager called 808state.

808state hey? Love Pacific State, that saxophone melody... Beautiful!

Good old msn messenger, grew up on those emojis haha!

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The difference is that decent writers will go elsewhere quicker than shitposters

Like where?

I understand the frustration, but before any changes are made we've had rules to not curate authors over and over with at least some time in between last curation and on top of that we've whitelisted them to give them a way to continuously grow by bidding on @ocdb and making sure that content is not constantly degrading in quality as they are after all earning around 10% of their bids on each post. Something we will enforce with stricter rules come HF21 as mentioned in a comment here in the post.

Other than that we would want to continuously curate great quality authors and although we will focus mostly on the new ones we bring in to start out with we hope that many others will undelegate from bid bots and delegate to curation projects either doing the same or manually curating a whitelist of great quality authors. (No autovotes cause that will quickly spoil them which most of the time leads to lower quality but instead judge what kind of vote they deserve based on the content).

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Like where?

A lot of options for good writers... all with better chances of qualitive pay (as in being paid a reasonable rate for your time).

I don't post any short fiction here anymore. It all gets submitted to literary journals, magazines that pay for genre fiction or held for a personal collection. This is steem's loss, that may sound arrogant but it's not arrogant to not undervalue yourself to the tune of $0.30/hour lol

Article-wise it pays much better on medium if you're shared by their curators through the partner program. Also, there are many other websites that will pay $100+ for SEO specific articles, '10 greatest historical figures' type stuff.

Crypto-wise, 'Narrative' is looking pretty good ATM, and there are new options coming up in the future.

My point is, those types of places are where a lot of the best steem writers have gone. There is massive movement to Narrative ATM as there is no delegation, or bidbots over there.

OCDB is all well and good, and I do understand that you're trying to make the best of the mess that delegations brought to steem, but it's still buying a vote.

We used to have a renowned author posting on steem. He left a while ago. I curated pretty much exclusively poetry and fiction for curie for just over 8 months and we had at least 30 people on steem writing in those tags to a 'mainstream publishing' level. Right now, I can count on one hand the amount of people writing in these tags to that level.

These people will have left for all of the reasons I stated.

I'm not saying any of this to be negative, just speaking the truth as I see it.

P.s. I always try to end with something positive 😉

we hope that many others will undelegate from bid bots and delegate to curation projects either doing the same or manually curating a whitelist of great quality authors (No autovotes cause that will quickly spoil them which most of the time leads to lower quality but instead judge what kind of vote they deserve based on the content).

100% agree with you on this one acidyo 👍

Did you, or the other quality writers you're referring to, consider to start your own website where you're in control and can monetize traffic? Just curious.

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Well... I can only speak for myself @fredrikaa. Yeah, I've considered building up my long abandoned WordPress site, but it would take a whole pile of extra work which I don't have time for right now due to health issues.

So far as others who have left are concerned, all I can say is I have personally spoken to a lot of people who are quality writers who've left steem, many whom stated some of the reasons I highlighted above.

I dunno what to say beyond that. In my opinion, it is a problem that the steep learning curve and crazy levels of networking required to get anywhere on steem drives many people away. Add to that diminishing rewards, and a large proportion of high quality content creators will walk. Right now steem is like an echo chamber of people writing about tribes and steem.

I'm not sure what mass appeal that has, but it wasn't always this way. There used to be a majority of wide ranging, decent quality content on here. Right now people are incentivised to create steem-centric content because that is what whales, devs and a bunch of people who are emotionally invested (myself included) seem to want. But this makes for a very strange site to look at from an outsider's perspective.

Anyway, I've gone on a tangent 🤣

There we go, being on the same wavelength again haha!

I just said something similar about maintaining current authors as that is just as important as getting new ones and what a small upvote from a massive account does to morale!

Working for $0.30 per hour does not compute in the UK! I mean min wage is 35x that in the UK so if it's just down to finances for your time, a job is far more valuable than writing a travel or piece of fiction for steem.

But we want to do what we love as creatives and earn for our creations.

I just hope that with hf21 that we see more curation guilds or initiatives that can help maintain current user base of decent high quality content creators.

Ha ha, yeah we so often seem to share the save insights Nik.

Working for $0.30 per hour does not compute in the UK! I mean min wage is 35x that in the UK so if it's just down to finances for your time.

Yeah, this is the reality I'm facing, and it's why I'll leave if I do leave. But I've put a massive amount of time and energy in to steem beyond the content I've written. All of the community (discord) work I did from mid 2017 through to late 2018 was behind the scenes and went pretty much unnoticed but I used to work 20-30 hours/day on steem... 7 days a week.

Anyway, I remember when the content from the community was a lot more varied and vibrant. That's what we need here, and the only way for that to happen is to provide inspiration to new tallent coming to steem. Both through curation support for their content, but also by them seeing that consistent high quality work will be rewarded consistently. This is what is lacking, and has been dwindling since the first bidbots were invented. As soon as that happened large stake holders found another way to avoid honest curation, beyond circle jerks they could now delegate to bots, and things slowly went down the shiter.

I remember watching it happen. You had whales delegating to various projects/communities almost to try and justify what they were doing on the side either delegating most of their SP to bidbots, or running them.

Ha ha, but I shouldn't really let myself get drawn into these thoughts as they only wind me up 🤣

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I'm sure when steem was worth more at the time you were working tirelessly on it, it would have been worth it but such is the volatile nature of crypto and that we have to pay capital gains tax on anything over 10k earnings in the UK (or income tax if it is our sole earnings) you really need to be earning a salary from it and that's not feasible for content creators no matter how much you interact, especially if your content isn't steem centric.

The travel feed community have consistently supported my travel posts regardless of it being my first or my 40th. Great content is great content and it should be rewarded whatever your rep, length of stay on here or otherwise. And I'm not being arrogant by saying I produce some gems from time to time (the Actifit posts I've ditched for the most part because the micro blogs were only useful whilst I was travelling and a quick way to keep in contact with the platform and earn some steem) - that's what curation from great guilds does, it makes you feel more confident in your own ability and you can keep going. Dsound, curie, steempress, c-squared... (The list goes on) when you get an upvote from all these places, you feel like you're doing something right... Why does it stop for some guilds? I'm sure a 1-5% upvote wouldn't be tough on VP for regular support of vetted authors from these huge accounts?

You don't have to answer, it's just curiosity. I'm slowly building my account now, up to 2,300SP and the tribes are really helping earn extra steem as well.

I'm not going anywhere as I'm still doing this as a hobby and steem has really helped me sharpen up my own website - I'm pretty much embedded here. I've been convincing a few halfies over to steem full time from EMA and it's worked.

But if the hobby can turn in to something more then it's smiles all round. Road to dolphinhood here we go!

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Looking forward to seeing the changes with @ocd. I do auto vote its posts and usually check them out because its up there with curie for always finding good content.

Also, I am probably going to give up to 25% of my post hf21 to following that trail using holger80's tool, as I plan on follow voting on curie and ocd.
I look forward to seeing the changes with ocdb to decide on what to do with my delegation there as it is one of the few things left I'm delegating to asides sbi and steem-ua.

Anyway good work on this and glad to see it changing. I'll definitely post my opinion on ocd and plan after the dust is settled.

I'm excited for what's next!

How ever this shakes out I can be sure it will be the best effort on the platform!

Can't wait for doing more awesome stuff with an already great project :D

I'd rather have an OCD upvote than a few tokens any day. A lot of these generic tag communities are a cash grab and will make people angry when they figure it out. I'm glad you're above that.

Whats the tag whitelisters are using and how is it being policed?

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No specific tag, you can just follow @ocdb's votes or this: https://thegoodwhales.io/queue.html

We are working on some more strict guidelines and rules for HF21 for @ocdb though as we want the downvotes on crap content and farm posts to be minimal thus will remove abusers from the whitelist after a few warnings.

That site can be super clunky perhaps it's time to get rid of the avatars next to the names or pay for better service.

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More info on that in the next post about @ocdb!

I'll have to look more into OCD.. it's been around forever and I have been here for 2+ years. Curation is gong to be my main focus as being an author has become.. less tempting.

You mentioned about trying to get new users in but what about motivating those you have curated before and keeping them motivated to post?

The biggest upvote I got from being curated was from you guys and it was mind blowingly awesome and I'm really grateful for it, don't get me wrong, but the rate at which authors and great content creators is dropping off this platform is staggering and scary.

I personally would like to see some plans as to how you guys (and other big accounts on here) will look to continue support of those you have already curated as that is as important, if not more so than onboarding new users.

If you maintain great content creators and they are being rewarded with a small upvote from a massive account, then new users will see that and want to get involved as well and can learn from the current guard on how to make great content themselves.

Just a thought.

Great to see the @OCD Crew continuing to support the Steem blockchain Community!

@acidyo Why not try and make OCDB into a curation service paying out the curation instead of vote buys.
Completely kill the bot.
If SPS takes from the author payouts + the 50/50 you might have a sustainable business there.

Taking the lazy/busy whales delegations and paying them out of the curation that a team of capable curators collect on quality posts.

This could work imo.
If @blocktrades is smart and pushes for the author payout reduction.
Authors will be pissed but the SPS is the best bet to kill bots and usher in a curation business dominance.

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Yes, I think if anyone is capable of killing their bid bot and moving over to supporting curation, it's @acidyo. In my casual observation it seems like he wants to do right by the community. In general, curation pulled by the author is bad, whitelist or not. At least that is my opinion.

I would certainly donate time and SP to supporting that effort as a model for all to follow.

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This does not make much sense in staying competitive vs bid bots, we all know that flags may not be used effectively in the beginning until they are more normalized and maybe start doing some damage to the bid bots that don't care.

We are also not looking to kill bid bots completely, the good ones are an asset for Steem but should focus on their business rather than reap rewards without a care daily.

If we remove accepting bids altogether then the delegated stake will just go back towards bid bots cause there they will receive 80-95% of the bids + x-x% of the curation rewards. It would be really difficult to outperform them, it already is because we give authors a guaranteed profit (although less guaranteed after HF21 due to downvotes but our vote will at least be higher than the bid when cast) while bid bots are supposed to cost the author/promoter.

Its not about flags. Its about the economy that will potentially be set up where curation services could very possibly be competitive with bots if SPS cuts author rewards.
Thats a very specific situation where buying votes would be a costly endevour which would in turn make bot delegators to search for other options.

Curation services being one of them.

Its an option to consider once we see what hf21 does.
Its all on SPS right now to make hf21 a positive change since 50/50 does nothing on its own

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Success in this new stage!

This new wave of authors is necessary to refresh the platform.

pd: motivated by the arrival of hf21

HF21 is perfect for curator or Steem Power holder who is lazy like me.

how can I get whitelisted?

Send noodles!

I cannot really wait for the hardfork 21 to take place right now. There is much hype about it.

Take a deep breath and get off of Steem for a few hours 😸

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Hopefully the markets will feel the same. :)

lol; negative hype?

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which is authors to curate. During the bear market, especially in recent months it has become harder and harder to find new authors that we or other of the few curation projects haven't already curated

I highly doubt that. Search harder, your problem is the same as the problem of other curation projects. I see the same curators everywhere with a clear dominance of the English language. With time, curators tend to revolve around the same authors or let's just say the same subjects/themes, like some kind of elaborated circle-jerking scheme even if involuntary sometimes.

If you want to be more efficient and different from the other big and well know curation projects, don't proceed like they already do. Because right now, everyone is saying that he is the voice of the people.

You got a 61.83% upvote from @ocdb courtesy of @acidyo! :)

@ocdb is a non-profit bidbot for whitelisted Steemians, current min bid is 1.5 SBD and max bid is 10 SBD and the equivalent amount in STEEM.
Check our website https://thegoodwhales.io/ for the whitelist, queue and delegation info. Join our Discord channel for more information.

If you like what @ocd does, consider voting for ocd-witness through SteemConnect or on the Steemit Witnesses page. :)

Thanks for the post.

Excited and more important motivated for exciting changes. Ocd rules!!

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@acidyo Greetings!
What would your criteria be for a person to apply to become a curator?
Blessings!

where can I see the whitelist?

Cant see it

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