i answered you but you are not reading. there are kids throwing stones at police, killing them and each other every weekend because of football. how they solve it? im sure not by firing live ammo and sniping them around.
you are desperate to keep it on some detaining case, which may or may not been justified, i wasnt there, and i dont know the details. in my country, if my kid does that, i would be responsible and one to detain, not 9yr old kid for gods sake. but diff countries, diff laws. i dont have problem with kids being detained, if thats your law.
i am telling you about killing of kids because of territory. and you are trying to ignore it.
9yr old kids hurling stones and killing poor Israelis with it are just consequence. and you re investing huge effort in attempt to fix consequences.
Thanks for your answer and agreement that if a kid is throwing rocks he should be detained in some way, if that is the law, and his parents are absent. I hope Lyndsay also agrees, even if she won't admit it.
But since you've opened it up, did I call for anyone to die, or be cleansed from the land like Lyndsay wishes? What do you think kids throwing rocks are trying to do? Kill people over territory! And now I see you appear to think it's justified, and just a "consequence." It is lies that are the root of this conflict, and by talking about a consequence with peace in mind, and with all the facts, like why kids are arrested, I was indeed attempting to get to that root.
You can't conceive that in addition to Israel's mistakes and/or policies you don't like, the current situation is the consequence of the Palestinian leadership not making peace +/- 6 times, and telling every imaginable lie about Jews and Israel at present and in history? By omitting the cause of arrest, isn't this post such an example?
You want me to feel sorry for 36,000 killed Palestinians, but not the 26,000 killed Israelis over the same 70 years? Thing is that I do care about the Palestinians, want the best life for them, envision and talk about peace all the time, and am having this very conversation for everyone's benefit. While you sarcastically call them "poor Israelis..." Lyndsay complains about an arrest, so in good faith I ask what should have been done differently. She calls me names and ignores reasonable questions/points. You divert to other cases which may or may not be as you see them, and try to frame me as supporting your opponent under your worldview. This could have all gone differently, but at least you've answered the original question now though...
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i must say its rare and refreshing to have someone who dont call names when talking about such issues.
it would be even better to talk with people who does not assume what others think, and waste their time by presenting them their own alleged thoughts.
this way of communiction has it flaws, in a way of lacking several senses, but its benefit is / everything is written down, and its quite clear.
i have huge experience with people from other parts of the world trying to judge about situation in my country, and failing miserably. so im pretty aware of terrain im on.
my side is not palestinian. i think they are desperate, ruined, and its a great soil for their idiots to grab power.
i am against IDF and against Israeli government because of their responsibility in killing children. and i assume you cant possibly agree with me.
i dont care whos land it is, and who had temples.
anyway, what would happen if pussy riots come to orgy to that temple, nuclear winter?
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I hope then, that you are "against" the PA and Hamas for killing children too? But to add a layer of context, I think it very good for example, when the IDF captures several tons of illegal explosive material hidden in food/goods crates being smuggled into Gaza. (Two or three days ago.)
So am I "against the IDF and Israeli government?" No. Because things are not as black and white as anti-zionists make them out to be. The Palestinians and Israeli Arabs who from Israel get health care, education, electricity and water, a higher life expectancy and lower infant mortality rate than any other Arabs in the mid-east, serve in the IDF and government, also know better...
Unless they are Muslim, the Jordanian Waqf who controls the Temple Mount would never let that band up on the Mount. They would have to go with a Jewish or Christian tour, which are only allowed up at certain times, in small groups, wearing the right clothing, and like Jews, they would be prohibited from praying.
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of course i am. i think everyone who kills kids, should be sentenced as war criminals. together with those who could, but didnt stopped that.
my stance is that theres no military goal worth of exposing civilians, and there is no justification of bombarding civilians. When you shell the town, and kill kids, you started a process which cant be controlled anymore. And there is no way back. No justification No
butor anything. You get consequences of it. and it always spirals out of control.and i know you cant say you agree with that.
i reffered to it more in a way that you are not allowed from some reason to publicly condemn IDF and Israel for killing kids. thats only logical thing. because i cant really assume that you are justifying, or supporting something like that. so i dont have intention to push more on that subject^
p.s. ive seen video on your blog yesterday. dont have time to get more info about it today, but i did check that channel briefly. there is a video which call for defending israel from media bias.
as someone who spent good part of life as journalist and editor, i dont know is that some satyrical material or they are serious about it?
sounds like mocking and satire?
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