there is too much of effort in his comments to be considered fun imo
RE: Zionist Forces Arrested A 9 Year Old Boy Today In Occupied Palestine
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Zionist Forces Arrested A 9 Year Old Boy Today In Occupied Palestine
Thank you. It's not for fun, it's for peace. I wish my question could have lead to a constructive conversation, about a set of actual, daily situations that remain unsolved, and are reported about in a less than complete way...
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bro, go activate yourself in local community and make peace. you wont make any peace on steemit.
those kids are raised by state of israel, israel airforce, artillery and police.
can you imagine them as 30 yrs old, upgraded with prison experience?
but thats not a problem. lets discuss obvious things.
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I don't think we'll "make peace" on steemit, but we can for the long term, foster it's creation with hope, by discussion to the best of our abilities, and with as much information as possible.
"Those kids" aren't "raised by the state of Israel..." but by their parents, and school systems, Hamas, the PA, which all but force certain unfortunate interactions with Israel by their incitement to violence, paying terrorist salaries, omissions of detail as shown above and/or lies about Israel/Jews, by starting several actual wars by for instance firing +/- 14,000 rockets from Gaza, or by aligning with 5 Arab countries and attacking, killing random people, and many others. But most relevant, is the turning down of peace offers more times than I accurately know of... (At least 6 offers for sovereignty and peace, from the Peel commission recommendation for land for Palestine accounting for 80%, but then down to 48% of the territory, over the successive refused offers, iirc.)
Look, a 30 year old opponent to Israel, hardened by prison is not something any Israeli wants, and it is a problem. But the problem isn't going away by lying about or denying history, or causes of arrests, or that the PA isn't paying people to go out and randomly murder.
Surely you have for example, heard the now famous lie that the Temple Mount in Jerusalem never had (two) Jewish Temples on it, and that it is claimed as Muslim alone, (much like Israel, "from the river to the sea.") Despite it being evident archeologically and historically, from many peoples histories, i.e. the Romans, the Egyptians, the Greeks, the Babylonians, even the Muslims themselves, have writings and historical documents about the Temples. So why does the PA, media and other official groups still make this absurd and blatant lie? And what effect on the kids would it have to hear it again and again, then see Israeli police present there? (About 3 months ago, a murderer shot 2 police in the back, on the Temple Mount.) Is that less than obvious question also not satisfactory to you? Because I think this lie and others the child was raised on, is one of the primary causes of the 30 year old's anger.)
How deep would you want to go? As much history/religion/psychology/law as we both know, or should we talk about something we can better wrap our heads around?
Like what in good faith, to do with a kid who is right now, slinging stones...?
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shoot them like always? ^
or even better, burn them alive while they re still in cribs. ^
cluster bomb them, spray their schools, kill their family members. get your friendly settlers in and grab as much of land you can.
you know, usual stuff.
and then be a victim. cry about 14.000 missiles and about 2 dead policeman, who made more headlines around the world than fukushima disaster.
you know, before israel, only ww2 quisling Croatia had something similar to deal with naughty kids / Jastrebarsko.
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You see an arrest and then contrarily claim shooting them is "like always" and (sarcastically?) better when asked what else should have been done instead of the arrest? Interesting.
Who is crying victim around here citing a kid arrested for committing a crime, but leaves out the details of the crime, thereby making him a victim?
I was simply giving factual context for a reasonable question, not crying victim, as is clearly the entire purpose of this post by Lyndsay.
But I see now, you also seem to have no interest in solving or even discussing the problem in a constructive way.
As I still don't know what you or anyone actually think Israel should do with a kid slinging stones at cars... I think arrest until his parents/guardians are found, and depending on the situation, a fine for his parents, is the best solution under the circumstances. Is that not more than "reasonable" after an attempt at murder? Why can't you or Lyndsay propose something constructive too? Or are you hiding the fact that you might also want to harm Jews, and believe the kid has a right to hurl stones? If not the above, I genuinely don't get why it is so hard to answer what anti-zionists want Israel to do with a kid slinging stones?!!!!
A) Allow rock throwing anywhere, anyplace, and submit to being killed.
B) Kill rock throwers caught in the act.
C) Injure rock throwers.
D) Scare away rock throwers.
E) Arrest rock throwers.
F) Fine rock throwers.
G) Confiscate goods/property of rock throwers.
H) Something else reasonable that you can suggest?
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i answered you but you are not reading. there are kids throwing stones at police, killing them and each other every weekend because of football. how they solve it? im sure not by firing live ammo and sniping them around.
you are desperate to keep it on some detaining case, which may or may not been justified, i wasnt there, and i dont know the details. in my country, if my kid does that, i would be responsible and one to detain, not 9yr old kid for gods sake. but diff countries, diff laws. i dont have problem with kids being detained, if thats your law.
i am telling you about killing of kids because of territory. and you are trying to ignore it.
9yr old kids hurling stones and killing poor Israelis with it are just consequence. and you re investing huge effort in attempt to fix consequences.
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Thanks for your answer and agreement that if a kid is throwing rocks he should be detained in some way, if that is the law, and his parents are absent. I hope Lyndsay also agrees, even if she won't admit it.
But since you've opened it up, did I call for anyone to die, or be cleansed from the land like Lyndsay wishes? What do you think kids throwing rocks are trying to do? Kill people over territory! And now I see you appear to think it's justified, and just a "consequence." It is lies that are the root of this conflict, and by talking about a consequence with peace in mind, and with all the facts, like why kids are arrested, I was indeed attempting to get to that root.
You can't conceive that in addition to Israel's mistakes and/or policies you don't like, the current situation is the consequence of the Palestinian leadership not making peace +/- 6 times, and telling every imaginable lie about Jews and Israel at present and in history? By omitting the cause of arrest, isn't this post such an example?
You want me to feel sorry for 36,000 killed Palestinians, but not the 26,000 killed Israelis over the same 70 years? Thing is that I do care about the Palestinians, want the best life for them, envision and talk about peace all the time, and am having this very conversation for everyone's benefit. While you sarcastically call them "poor Israelis..." Lyndsay complains about an arrest, so in good faith I ask what should have been done differently. She calls me names and ignores reasonable questions/points. You divert to other cases which may or may not be as you see them, and try to frame me as supporting your opponent under your worldview. This could have all gone differently, but at least you've answered the original question now though...
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i must say its rare and refreshing to have someone who dont call names when talking about such issues.
it would be even better to talk with people who does not assume what others think, and waste their time by presenting them their own alleged thoughts.
this way of communiction has it flaws, in a way of lacking several senses, but its benefit is / everything is written down, and its quite clear.
i have huge experience with people from other parts of the world trying to judge about situation in my country, and failing miserably. so im pretty aware of terrain im on.
my side is not palestinian. i think they are desperate, ruined, and its a great soil for their idiots to grab power.
i am against IDF and against Israeli government because of their responsibility in killing children. and i assume you cant possibly agree with me.
i dont care whos land it is, and who had temples.
anyway, what would happen if pussy riots come to orgy to that temple, nuclear winter?
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