When you start judging others by their beliefs instead of their points, you lose the whole point in a discussion.
it is an ad hominem. I pointed the article out so you could see the specific argument not to evaluate his naive ideas about religion. One person can have good ideas about something and bad ideas about something else.
if you only accept people based on absolute 100% reputability then you are the one getting the kool-aid of the "infallible" politicians, pop-science stars, academics and so on and so forth.
Incorrect. You have straw-man'ed me again. I am asking you to justify your argument from authority. You cited the authority. You have not retracted the citation. You literally said "good luck going against this." I took you up on your offer.
I asked you to justify it, and presented evidence suggesting he is not credible. You failed to justify your appeal to authority, then claimed I used ad hominem.
Justify your appeal to authority, stop claiming it is my ad hominem.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority
"if you only accept people based on absolute 100% reputability then you are the one getting the kool-aid of the "infallible" politicians, pop-science stars, academics and so on and so forth."
Another straw-man argument. A dictionary example. I never claimed anything remotely close to this. I asked you to justify your argument from authority. You didn't even try, or give one shread of evidence or reason why anyone should listen to your citation, or why it was as strong as you implied. Now you create a new argument I never made, and destroy it.
Textbook.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
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I meant the arguments. not the person. geesh.
I didn't make one. I simply demonstrated that he makes good philosophical arguments. Also. I used two more links based on scientific evidence which you seem to ditch quite comfortably. the "satanist" thing works for you :)
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I addressed one of your two links. I did not want to gloss over reading the second, so I did not comment on my glance at it. The first link you provided is not inconsistent with what I am saying. Remember, I pointed out it's like the fight or flight response? It's decision making that is borne from an immediate need, and can therefore happen reflexively. That doesn't make it pre-destined, because you still have the opportunity to override the fight or flight type response.
This happens a lot with people freezing in an emergency, instead of either fighting or flighting. They are actually in a state of decision paralysis, ie, determining their "Free will"
I think the second article, and the idea that bacteria could think for you, is basically silly. It's not consistent with brain science, which is what my education is in. As I said, I didn't read it all.
I'm disappointed to see you seem set in your opinions. I don't believe you are discussing this with an open mind. If our positions were reversed, I would already be changing my mind, because your arguments are not logically consistent with themselves and established fact. This is feels over reals stuff. I am actively trying to find something to hold onto to get on board with your position, and cannot. We demonstrably have free-will. This is like self-help, hippie book stuff.
Take a look around the crypto world. What is more popular here, math, or opinions?
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You need to catch up on reading then
https://www.livescience.com/49373-google-hangout-on-brain-and-microbiome.html
i actually brought you two scientific articles which you can link to research and you comfortably dismissed. if your neurotransmitters and gut bacteria can control your decisions before you make them then you are fucked. The fact that you sometimes consciously refuse to do so doesn't cut it. It is the exception rather than the rule. Most of the times your gut bacteria changes your for months, even years and you just happen to fall within a specific spectrum of behavior.
We don't but you seem to be in denial for some reason
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I think this post is a bit confused as well @kyriacos "Ever noticed how most humans cannot survive outside of what we call "civilization"? A rat, a cat or a bird in or outside our cities will learn to adopt in a gist." Im pretty sure humans can adapt to most situations, just look at wartorn nations where people were living comfortably before... cough Iraq
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That's still a human environment. Try the jungle with other animals. Or a desert. Anything really without running water and food from stores. Animals can pretty much eat and drink anything. Humans cannot
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Dude, I like your posts, especially your painting, but this one was a bad misstep. Mainly for the reasons lexiconical was pointing out.
That's just my opinion though, like most of this post was your opinion. From the word go, it sounded very self-help/hippy-free-love-ish. Which is fine, but I got the impression you wanted it to sound factual.
To compound matters, lexiconical owned you hard. Trust me, the referee stopped the fight ages ago coz you could no longer defend yourself.
Also "When you start judging other by their beliefs instead of their points, you lose the whole point in a discussion" - I see what you're saying here, and yes, anyone could come up with a brilliant idea, but you have to acknowledge that the willingness of others to ingest those ideas will depend on other factors concerning how they live and other things they've said. If someone tells you they believe the sky is red and then offers you stock tips, how likely are you to act, with your own money, on what they've said? I wager only if they're being driven around in a limousine and have a proven record of financial excellence. Otherwise, people are unlikely to take what they say seriously, and if they weren't crazy, they'd see that too. Your satanist source doesn't appear to have the same body of evidence/proven record of scholarship behind him.
Just my two cents.
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Your two cents didn't provide any evidence. You can circle-jerk with lexiconical all you want but I can't see any argument from you or him? You guys are just being emotional forming ad-hominems.
Nikola Tesla was a hypochondriac with silly beliefs but expert in his field. Newton was religious and have very weird and crazy habits. Both offered solutions that brought humanity to a new era. In fact bring me any innovator and we will find something odd about them.
You need to try harder mate. If you judge people in life like you do in this debate..you are fucked royally
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I wasn't intending to offer evidence. I believe I said I was offering my opinion. Which, I also believe, is simply what you were doing with your post.
Are you judging me by my beliefs now?
Tesla and Newton had the proven track records behind them that I described. In the example I used, the red-sky believer would be very rich and have a successful stock portfolio managed over many years; one can take financial advice from him. Your satanist does not appear to have that.
I would add that you seem quite emotional in your response...but I wouldn't want to upset you. ;-D
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No they didn't. the track record came AFTER they made discoveries..hence why Telsa was often in thrown in the shadows..even until recently.
what appears and what is, are two different things. He makes good philosophical arguments that none of you bothered to answer. you just attack his religious beliefs.
I am not emotional at all. You guys seem to be though since you offer no rational arguments against that guy other than ad hominems. ;-)
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