The first thing you need to understand is that influence and affect are not the same as control.
Nobody said they are the same. I said that the environment affect your decisions in ways you cannot even fathom. I provided plenty of evidence how is that so.
Ending up somewhere unintentionally does not defy the existence of free will.
Well, you need to first demonstrate (at least logically) that it exists
Free will is not free-get-whatever-you-wish-for.
nobody said that
The truth is that we have control over what we do but not over what happens.
We have control on neither. We are reactionary machines based on a given set of data.
If the firing of neurons controls us, what controls the firing of the neurons in the first place?
nutrients, the environment, food, past situations and interactions with people.
Free will is very much real, you just need to understand what will really is.
not an argument.
It is not an ability to control situations or realities we find ourselves in, it is the ability to control our actions inside whatever reality or situation we find ourselves in.
you can't do that if everything is interconnected.
The world does not revolve around us.
exactly my point and the reason why free will does not exist.
I guess I wasted my time here
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Since you can choose to kill yourself, by corollary you also have the choice to be here.
That implies that you writing comments on this thread, and existing in human form, is a choice. Conscious or unconscious, that is a choice that you are making.
Choice implies free will.
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how do you know that that idea did not stem from a movie you saw?
nop. it is an outcome of a series of events. in the same way i have no choice a the rate my hair grows.
choice is a random variable that remains to be picked up. If i present two choice you have two. if present 10 you have 10. the environment dictates what choices are available and what not
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I don't. That doesn't change that the choice still exists.
The choice to live is an inherent right of being a human, which is different than your conditioned DNA that determines the rate at which your hair grows.
That being said I'm not under the impression that as people realize their choice, the choice to change our rate of hair growth will become more readily available by changing our DNA through choice - like Breatharians.
If you give me 10 choices I still have infinite choices as I'm not bound by your perceived number of choices.
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irrelevant to whether free will exists. choices to exist. how do you know if they are yours is the real question.
well yeah but this is not what happens in real life. nature narrows our choices and due to the nature of our lives we only pick up on some
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What do you mean if they were mine? Who's other choice would it be?
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the people which whom you interact with.
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So you're saying that it's my choice if you eat Icecream or not?
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Just by mentioning ice-cream now you might indeed have influenced my decision this afternoon to eat ice-cream or crepe
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