Reality, wot?

in philosophy •  7 years ago 

Ah, summer's here at last! #realbritishsummer

This thing, we call "objective reality" it's a bit weird isn't it? I have some friends who think it's all there is. I guess I thought that too for a while, it's at the base of modern rational thought and the scientific method. And that's what's got us cars and computers and a fridge full of food and central heating and all. And we're encouraged to focus on that, that's the most important bit of the world, isn't it?

But if that's all there is, then what's all this stuff that goes on inside me? This endlessly fractal set of thoughts and feelings and emotions (and that's a pretty rubbish description of my inner world). It seems that we can only take in a tiny slice of what's going on at a time, the rest has to be ignored because it's literally too much to take in. And when I'm writing on the page, I'm just the same, I'm focused down onto each word, each letter as it comes out of my inner world and into this container that you've picked up and are looking at and suddenly something of me is informing you, forming you, maybe you feel repulsion, maybe you feel resonance, maybe you think "this fella's off his nut on something".

It feels like this stuff is in my head, but when I pay more attention to what's going on with my whole body, I get the idea that my head is just a kind of verbal translation place, it's somewhere where the images and the everything get turned into words and sentences (maybe not very cleverly) and then my fingers make these shapes for you to see.

I spent years (you probably did too) in school practicing doing this, making forms with pencil on paper that transmitted something from me to you. Practice and practice and practice, so much that I can't remember it all, every day at school included some writing. Every day of five days a week for thirty-nine weeks of the year betwen the ages of 5 and 18, I spent some time practicing this. With good reason, at the time. Because at the time, there were whole jobs that involved making marks on pieces of paper, these were some of the better jobs! It seems strange now, when "writing" most often means sitting in front of a machine and tapping on keys or on a tiny screen, but it's still the same thing, I'm still taking something from here and now and leaving a mark so that something else can happen later in someone else.

Stuff happens and it gets turned into words in me and then I have learned a way of turning those words in me into recognisable shapes on a page. That's pretty unreal, eh? I mean, really, what is that about? And then we spend years, we've decided sometime ago, that this is a skill that everyone should have and there is great shame for those few who struggle with it or struggle with interpreting the squiggles of others, even if they're printed in a standardised way.

But the world those squiggles exist in, the objective one, the one I can point to and you can point to and we can say, "Yes, that's the same thing!" that's the bit that people focus on and elevate to the most important part of experience even though it's expressing something hugely more complex and shifting, and such a tiny, tiny part of what's actually going on, all the time.

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It's more than a bit weird; there is definitely more to this malarkey than meets the eye.

In my view about scientific method. Writing is skill. Dosn't matter if it is written by pencil or by computer etc. Writing quality depends.
We can appriciate drawing or painting by pencil as compare to degital tools like graphics card PC etc.. Butt writing quality dosn't effect. This scientific method is good that due to it everyone could read what they want.
Sir Thanks for sharing and
Kindly correct me if I am wrong.

During my university days quite similar wording i read in a book that objectivity comes from one's thoughts and brain feeds them

It feels like this stuff is in my head, but when I pay more attention to what's going on with my whole body, I get the idea that my head is just a kind of verbal translation place, it's somewhere where the images and the everything get turned into words and sentences (maybe not very cleverly) and then my fingers make these shapes for you to see.

Thanks a lot for making it more clear for me My Great Friend @lloyddavis <3

it's a skill to express your feelings in words..
Not everyone can do this.
Your fingers shape your thoughts, I guess it's the expression of your feelings sir.

One more thing, Your writing skills are amazing dear @lloyddavis

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Great thoughts here!

My definition of "real" is that it is unchangeable, a steady state. But whenever we shift our perspective, that which we assumed to be "real" is changing accordingly. As everything is constantly changing no matter where we look, it cannot ultimately be"real", thus we are only ever dreaming with no consequences once we wake up ;)

i loved this...hehehe I've had the same thoughts about taking thought from my mind... and transforming it into something that can be transmitted into a thought into someone else's mind! so wild!

you know what else is interesting to me? It used to not be so interesting because I took it for granted. But now, when I can hear music... just combination of notes and sounds and instruments.... and it can trigger an emotion in me that is so strong... i can't even put that thought into words. There aren't really words, just an overwhelming feeling. I remember the first time a song brought me to tears, and I didn't know why except it felt like they were in such sync with one another, with me, with the air around them! wow. i have to go listen to that song now! my upvote is pretty awful right now. and I do have this lovely tipping service which is about 40 times the amount of my upvote. hehehehe please do accept it in place of the vote :) tip! simple

It's a tiny, tiny, part indeed and what cracks me up is that we think we know so much when, really, we know so little. We have this consensus on what words mean but they don't actually mean anything. We give them meaning, often without question, just following the status quo.

But it's all so very much more mysterious than that and most of the time we simply don't notice!

What a fantastic topic for a post - It's pretty much the Zenith of the sociology syllabus I've taught for the last 18 years.

I suggest we get utterly tanked in Bghm and discuss it further!

(Lame I know, it's been a loong week.)

P.S. Are you joining the 'slay the cave troll' quest..?

wow, I just lost some of my evening on the cave troll shenanigans, it had passed me by (not the cave-troll himself, but the organised resistance) - wow this place is endlessly interesting! I don't feel the need to jump in myself, downvoting feels like a really harsh thing to do - it does raise the question of what I would flag, I mean it's there, I should be prepared to use it - I don't really want to find out the answer to this question :)

I look forward to further discussions (I don't do "utterly tanked" any more, but don't let me stop you!)

Thanks for looking @ the cave troll thing - I'm trying to 'flag' it up to as many people as possible.

Personally I'm thinking of delegating 80% of my SP to FTG rather than doing the flagging myself.

I thought you might have picked up on the 'tanked' reference viz the objective reality issue - We both understand what 'tanked' means, but that shared understanding has little to do with 'objective' reality (I think)... although I'm not a phenomenologist, just for the record.

heh! yep, we'll be tanked even without being tanked, I'm really looking forward to it.

  ·  7 years ago (edited)

the more you know the less you understand :)

LOVE YOUR writing

It's the feelings and emotion that come out when we start writing on paper.

Now we can express our thoughts and feelings in internet. Internet is not going to change you, it's going to expose you how awesome you are!

Interesting

U r got gifted writer dear

oh the pains of being multi-dimensional thinkers.