creation does indeed take place in time what brings the point full circle of maya or illusion which is to suffer in pain the grip of yama in the wheel of death..now just thoughts indeed as well what is to say philos the greek which philosophy was termed therefore after lived within time...if so or if not.... then was philos actually created or was it an illusion.......as well if the greeks lived in a state of timelessness where words were created then as well would this be as to say children running on rocks