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This is heavy sarcasm of social evolutionary theory and I know it is jargonized and not very many devout marxists know the paths of social evolution. Every time a Marxist or a Socialist is published on Steemit and honored the price of Steem tumbles. Not that there is anything wrong with the price of Steem tumbling one supposes except that the idea of a business is to do the things that cause it to grow, not collapse.
Why is this so funny? Even though the first two stages of social evolutionary theory were left out, hunter gathering and primitive communism (living like tribal peoples) they still exist in the form of homeless people, and yes there are still tribes of people out there living the ancient tribal ways. Many times, these ancient tribal people live in the midst of the most technologically advanced societies on Earth. So, any evolution really occurring if people still live the same old way?
Of course, quick observation shows that, in the United States at least the revolt against feudalism and the end of slavery were reversed. Feudalism was removed first and then slavery.
So, there are thousand things wrong with the theory, the least of which is the guy who wrote it sat in a room his whole life and never collected any scientific data personally. And people follow it as the answer.
Well, the truth is anyone can pretty much do whatever they want if they can gather enough people to follow them and with Marxism it usually means a dictatorship where people who follow a philosophy get to tell everyone else what to do their whole lives at every instance and that they are always wrong, and shoot people if they refuse to obey those lost in an intellectual fantasy.
Yeah it is funny but real sad too.
Hi there,
There is no uniformity in evolution. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
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Tell us about it - but 1+1= any answer but 2?
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You are absolutely correct in this arithmetic operation. Only when it comes to evolution your evaluation tool in Gaussian bell curve, which is described in a different section of mathematics known as math analysis.
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Again the key phrase is philosophy with regard to - Marxist social evolutionary theory - a synonym for a religion
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Somehow we drifted away from evaluating evolution to Marxist theory. Evolution doesn’t have to be uniform. Some dinosaurs still existed during the mammal era and even live today. This doesn’t mean we live in a dinosaur era. Sure, some limited number of people still live in hunting and gathering societal formation somewhere in the depth of Amazon, etc. However, their number is negligent compared to the entire earth population. The most of the planet still lives in the transitional period between feudalism and capitalism and a relatively small number of a population live in more advanced societal formations.
As for Marxist theory – the only implementation of this theory existed in Israeli Kibbutz and in similar small communities around the world in the 19h century. Whatever happen in Russian, China and Cuba was not Marxism, but let’s call it Leninism or Stalinism, which are far away from Marxism.
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Now you spout bullshit and just proved it is a religion based on a pagan belief system at the same time. Marxist theory was written by Marx and paid for by Engels so he could usurp the throne and become a dictator not descended from Mary Magdalene. Just because an academic priest blessed by our tax dollars says something is true does not change the value from what shoots out of a farting horse's ass
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Dear @jeff-kubitz,
You have a very flowery way of projecting your enthusiasm, but present absolutely no proofs nor do you answer any questions. With all due respect, you don't even explain your point of view.
Why do you compare Marxist economic theory with religion? I presume you are talking about his book "Capital." Are you not?
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Simple here is how I compare it to a religion: 1) the study of it is a disciplinee, an academic religion. 2) Nowhere has it worked 3) Where people have tried to fit it in place to make it work the facts of the economic modes of production and their natural order of progression disagrees with the theory. I.e. the throw-off of feudalism in the United States by revolution prior to the expulsion of slavery in the United States. 1) Revolt against feudalism July 4th, 1776, removal of slavery 1865 (They occurred in the wrong order making the theory completely incorrect and it occurred prior to the invention of the theory)
I think - Marxist revolution in Russia occurred with simultaneous modes of production in place feudalism, and ancient slavery (i.e. serfdom at the same time) So there was no progression only evolution, change.
As my sovietologist professor said, "Never become a Marxist Revolutionary, once the revolution occurs they kill all of those because they are never satisfied - true (Stalinist purges).
So, when a theory cannot be tested by hypothesis and repeatable a\experiments, the theory cannot be proven and anyone who accepts it, accepts it only as a belief system. There is no real basis to accept it other than on belief that someone told you the theory was true. Since, it is outside the known sphere of God, the alternative is pagan and so hence, pagan religion based on nothing
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Ok, let me go by your points.
1) the study of it is a disciplinee, an academic religion.
Religion - the belief in and worship of a supernatural controlling power, especially a personal God or gods. Many people are actually believing in a superior being, which religion exploits.
Marxism is a politico economic theory that deals with the distribution of surplus between the production owner and the production producer. In its political aspect, Marxism called for a proletarian revolution in all the countries in the World at the same time, and until appropriate such conditions didn’t occur, the revolution wouldn’t have to be started.
The only person who was, to a degree, an implementer of the true Marxist ideology, was Leo Trotsky. Neither Lenin nor Stalin follow true Marxism teaching. Lenin and Stalin came up with the concept of an immediate revolution in a single country.
Also, unlike religion, which congregates many true believers in a superior being, except for first 10 to 15 years on the Soviet history, people didn’t believe in it; neither in concept nor in its implementation.
So on those important points Marxism is not equated to a religion.
As for the study of it is a discipline I would partially agree with you. It was an obligatory discipline in a Soviet Higher education institution. However, the attitude toward it was not like to a religion, but rather like to political correctness in the United States. Here you also cannot say publically certain things that that everybody say in their homes. In addition, Marxism is studied not only in “Communist” countries, but also in capitalist counties as well. I know that because the units associated with Marxism were credited to me when I applied to USCD. And in America, or for that matter in any capitalistic country, your statement about “studying of it is a discipline” doesn’t apply at all.
2) Nowhere has it worked
It never worked on the scale of a country, because it was never implemented on the scale of a country. As I stated above, what Lenin and Stalin did in Russia and Mao in China, had little to do with the teaching of Marx. However, as I said in my previous response, Marxist economic model did work in 19 century in small communities and in the 20th century worked in Kibbutz in Israel.
3) Where people have tried to fit it in place to make it work the facts of the economic modes of production and their natural order of progression disagrees with the theory. I.e. the throw-off of feudalism in the United States by revolution prior to the expulsion of slavery in the United States. 1) Revolt against feudalism July 4th, 1776, removal of slavery 1865 (They occurred in the wrong order making the theory completely incorrect and it occurred prior to the invention of the theory)
Marx made his model on the sample of Europe, where things worked in the way he described in his theory. In Europe that’s how events have progressed. In America, people who revolted against Feudalism in 1776 were already freed from slavery earlier in Europe. The fact of slave trading in America only shows that evolution doesn’t involve the entire population of the World, but goes forward in bursts.
1. I think - Marxist revolution in Russia occurred with simultaneous modes of production in place feudalism, and ancient slavery (i.e. serfdom at the same time) So there was no progression only evolution, change.
Here you are completely inaccurate. The slaves in Russian were freed in 1861 a year earlier than they were freed in the United States. So by the time when the Russian revolution started in 1917 Russia had no slavery and had capitalism/ It wasn’t as developed as it was in the United States at the time, but it was there anyhow. In fact, the main support for Communists came from proletariat or working class not peasants, who Lenin considered unreliable because of their land ownership.
2. As my sovietologist professor said, "Never become a Marxist Revolutionary, once the revolution occurs they kill all of those because they are never satisfied - true (Stalinist purges).
Again, as I explained above, Stalin was never a Marxist. All the Marx’s contribution was to delegate his head on the Red banner.
So, when a theory cannot be tested by hypothesis and repeatable experiments, the theory cannot be proven and anyone who accepts it, accepts it only as a belief system. There is no real basis to accept it other than on belief that someone told you the theory was true.
When a theory cannot be tested this doesn’t mean it is not true. It just means it hasn’t been tested. However, even if it is not true, that doesn’t make a theory a religion.
Since, it is outside the known sphere of God, the alternative is pagan and so hence, pagan religion based on nothing.
Incidentally pagan religions are not outside sphere of God, but only outside of the sphere of a unique God. So again, Marxism has very little to do with religion. I would say It has one necessary condition, but has no sufficient conditions to be called a religion.
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