I was thinking for some time to write this post or not as I am sure there will be people who completely disagree with my point of view.
This post is a continuation of my post about the Overton Widow. The conception of the Overton Widow explains how easily we can be manipulated and the weird and absurd things become normal to us. You can read my previous post The Overton Window. How They Make us Tolerant to Amoral and Weird Things on the Example of Pedophilia.
Some days ago the photo exhibition of Jock Sturges was prohibited in Moscow. The thing is that most models are naked girls. Although it is said that in the Moscow exhibition the photos were not too provocative. I didn't visit it as it was closed but I googled and discovered that there are photos far from innocent.
There are many more provoking and far from innocent photos. I just don't want to spread anything that in my mind borders child pornography.
There were many supporters and opponents of this exhibition. The supporters say Jock Surges is a master who just showed the beauty of how a teenager transforms into a woman. Some write you know nothing about the photographer to discuss it. First of all, for me it is enough to see his photos, the second there is information on the internet (we can not be sure it is true but...) that he had an intimate relation with a 14 year old girl. Some people write that we were born naked and it is natural to be without clothes. That all these restrictions and rules are imposed by people and they are mostly popular in Europe. They write that there is nothing more pure than a child. Look at this photo:
It is "very innocent", isn't it? A mature naked man and a naked teenage girl are on an unmade bed.
What I can say about it. He is a really a master of photography. But when we discuss beautiful play of light and shadow think about these girls. I really worry about their future. Ask yourself, will you allow your daughter to pose for such a photo session?
I can agree with some people who write that there was too much fuss about the exhibition but the real stories about pedophiles are not that widely discussed. And even the pedophiles who had been incriminated before managed to get a job with kids after. That is really awful and the fight against pedophiles shall be made in all directions.
I see all the signs of the Overton Window here. When we read the supporters of these photos, we start thinking: "May be they are right, I am too old - fashioned and not tolerant." No, I am strictly against such photos. They are far from innocent and I will never let my daughter have such an experience and will look after her with double energy as I am sure such exhibitions will provoke many pedophiles for hunting.
Let us remain individuals who have their own points of view, let us not exchange the word pedophile into kids love, let us not to be tolerant to the weird and absurd things.
Take care of your families.
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я про это и пишу. прочитайте, пожалуйста, внимательно
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но вы выложили фото этих бедных девочек... Чтобы их увидели и тут...
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вы прочитали мой пост?
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Я ничего не имею против вас и вашего поста. Да, я плохо знаю английский. Но я вижу фото...
А пост нашла, т.к. постоянный ваш читатель.
Когда на рекламном щите мы видим фото пачки сигарет, а ниже надпись "Курение убивает", все думают о сигаретах, а не о вреде. Вот я к чему вела... Такова психология, мы всегда (даже отлично понимая надпись) вырываем фото из текста.
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Не вырывайте фотографии из текста. Текст здесь важен. Я выложила самые невинные фото, где все закрыто. Без фотографий мой посыл не был бы понятен. Прошу прежде чем осуждать, необходимо внимательно ознакомиться с текстом. Хотя бы через гугл транслейт. И зачем Вы тогда удалили свой первый комментарий?
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Я тоже вас читаю. Более того, мне нравятся ваши посты. Но в данном случае Ваш комментарий был не справедлив (тем более, не прочитав текст)
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Ну чтож вы на меня так набрасываетесь????? Первый комментарий удалила дабы вас не обидеть!!! Зря вы так! И к критике нужно быть готовой, тем более в провокационных статьях.
И почему вы решили, что я вас осуждаю???? У Кэрролла есть тоже неоднозначные фото девочек. Вот я и задала вам вопросы в попытке вас лучше понять... За что получила вообще не понимаю... И, если бы вы не напали вот так сразу, я смогла бы пояснить свое отношение (оно не отрицательное к вашей статье, оно просто чуть иное). Возможно, вместо ругани тут была бы нормальная дискуссия.
Обещаю больше не оставлять комментарии в ваших постах (голосовать продолжу, т.к. у вас отличные работы)... И еще: удалять и изменять свои комментарии - это право каждого участника проекта.
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Я не нападала и не хочу ссориться. Просто Вы спросили, хотела бы я, чтобы моя дочь снималась в таких фотосессиях в своем первом комментарии. А в посте чётко написана моя позиция по этому поводу. Было неприятно, что не читая, дают оценку. Я фотографии удалила. Возможно, вы и правы. Хотя я старалась выбрать самые невинные из того, что у него есть, но, чтобы было понятно, что это плохо.
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NOT innocent! Very disturbing.
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100%
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These images are clearly not promoting the innocence of children. I'm a professional photographer myself and I know the difference between implied and blatant, and many of these to me are blatantly sexualized. The only exception I could make is the image of the child in the fetal position on the towel, but even that reeks of something sinister (the angle is clearly specifically chosen to be uncomfortably revealing of the child's bottom, not implying innocence at all, but definitely something else). A person who was trying to portray innocence would not use such blatantly sexualized angles and poses, even with a mature model. This is not innocence on display, it's child pornography hiding behind the facade of art, and the first images to the left and right of the headshot are quite frankly disturbing.
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Да, так или иначе, но вы опубликовали детское порно. Я прочитал и понял смысл вашего поста. Но наличием фото вы разозлили нормальных людей и порадовали ненормальных.
Выше есть аналогия с сигаретами, я считаю ее правильной.
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Я удалю фотографии. Правда, без них непонятно, о чем я пишу.
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@dexter. Thank you. Agree 100%
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