A battery management system for a 24 volt battery bank at 480 watts, made from salvaged laptop LiIon cells.

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To avoid spontanious ignition, and to extend battery life; a LiIon stack of cells requires a BMS (Battery Management System).

Here is a pack of 4 BMS PCBs (printed circuit boards) that I bought from evay for under $7 ea.
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I plan to take 48 cells (8 banks of 6 cells) that match, and put them under the control one of the BMS PCB's. This will require that I test, each cell for capacity, and use 48 cells that have the same capacity; to make each battery bank.

Since each cell is good for 10 watts, that will give me a 480 watt bank, at 24 volfs. I will combine 50 of these banks, through schottkey diodes (for lower forward voltage drop) to the central 24 volt power bus.

The negative battery connections will be connected through a TMOS Power FET. This will allow me to turn off a single bank, without affecting the other 49 banks.

The microprocessor controlling this battery system can make this decision, turn it off; and alarm me that I have a bank down. This will allow me to remove the damaged battery bank, and rebuild it; while running on the rest.

Here are some of the salvaged good batteries:
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These were bought for recycling, and the bad ones were actually recycled. These good ones I am still sorting for capacity, but I have about $10 in this batch. This will do about one and a half battery banks, in my new system.

When I get close to moving in, I will buy enough new cells to finish my initial 24,000 watt main battery. I have over 8,000 watts of good cells in house now.

This bank will run my air conditioner units, for several days with no input. The system will be charging at 30,000 watts each day, initially; and more charge will be added later, as more is built and connected.

My goal is to take this grid tied house, off grid completely; using solar and wind.

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That is so awesome. I'm following along with this. One day I'll have to post my stuff. Not as crafty as this but all salvaged. Keep it up!!!

EVERY Homestead is different, so follow your dream! I would Love to see your vision. Salvage is the best way, because YOU know exactly what your homestead is running on!. That is always the best way!

Every person is different, and every homestead must be equally different. What works for me will NOT work for you at all, without YOUR personal spin!

It is exciting to watch the design variations! I look forward to seeing your's!

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sir smithlabs! most of this is just Greek to me like most of your blather but I get the main goal. You'll be charging them with wind and solar power? Have they been making improvements in those technologies of any significance lately? and if they have can you explain that in layman's language?

They have been reducing the costs of solar, and making them more efficient for half a century. Originally, the solar cells were about $50 per watt, but now they are about $1 a watt, and they are a number of times more efficient, so you need less panel space.

The 1500 watts I bought in 24 volts were a little less than $1500 including shipping. I bought in another 1000 watts of cells that are blemished (not pretty, LOL) for less than $50, which I will build myself; after I am out on the new land.

On the wind chargers, that technology has matured a lot, in rotor design (I have a design I intend to build myself) and in the actual generator design. They began with car alternators, and first added a lot of copper by rewiring them. The newest design includes an angled magnetic core that eliminates cogging (where the generator tries to naturally stop when the magnet crosses a opposite magnetic core) by making sure there is always the next core under the magnet, as the old one moves off the magnetic field. The result is smooth rotation, and more output power.

Car alternators will move to this technology soon too.

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thanks for not keeping it in redneck language sir smithlabs! lol.

Solar is less white lightning, and makes more goodies.

wind runs better, and doesn't thump like a tar with mud in it....

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I have no idea what you're saying sir smithlabs. Any normal person is going to read that and come away with the same reaction. lol.

Now you got me translating red neck....

Solar is less white lightning,

You do not need to sell as much shine to buy it.

and makes more goodies.

Generates more Electricity, to save on Kerosene for the lamps

wind runs better,

New wind generator designs make more power

and doesn't thump like a tar with mud in it....

They do not vibrate like a tire does when you sling mud up inside a tire.

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oh jeez...lol..NOW it makes perfect sense, thanks sir smithlabs!

Happy to be your translator!

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Thanks, I am rebuilding the existing structure to double the efficiency before I begin. The added insulation will cost me about $3000, new windows (I salvaged 5 new commercial windows) will add another $2000 and doors $1000.

I intend to use the existing AC ducts to run wiring and 24 volt buss connections. I will zone the mini-split heat pumps in what they now call cellular climate control.

One ton of Climate control will only draw 1800 watts full load. just the battery power will run these heatpumps for about 3 days with zero charge.

It is very environmentally friendly, and it is also very cost effective! Win win

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Great stuff and wow 30kw charging system👍 It is great being power independent as my house is off grid power.

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That is a daily total (until I can add more solar). My Average daily sun is ten hours, with 1,500 watt commercial panels (for 15,000 watts).

My average wind speed will generate 500 watts per hour, from the 1700 watt wind generator; which will give me 12,000 watts a day

I should do better than this because I will be actively tracking the sun with the panels, with salvaged gear. I have enough cells here to double my solar panel size, by gluing them to the rear surface of plate glass panels I already have. This will add another 15,000 watts a day, but that will be after the system is running, as I think I will need more batteries to actually use the extra panel power.

The final back up is a 24 volt 150 amp charger tied to a 4000 watt generator. If my experiments are successful, I will run that on browne gas extracted from well water. I am constructing the cell for that right now, and I think my design will be a lot more efficient than the cells off of youtube.

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Browns gas nice I have experimented with it before. I had a back up generator when I started my off grid power system after some 8 years I never needed it so sold it on.

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I have a new cell design with massive area, that should make a lot more gas. I am also driving it with an ac signal, to preserve the electrodes.

By varying the drive frequency, I can set it for max output. DC is a very inefficent method, I plan to fix.

Selling unneeded gear is wise, get something you need instead.

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The AC power to the cell sounds like a great way to go. And yep I bought another solar panel👍

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Solar is the best initial alternate power for certain. I added wind power because when solar drops off, wind comes up to compensate.

I am glad you have more than enough power now! That is the solution to off grid, having extra power coming in...Good Job man!

I am forced to a monster sized system because I intend to run my AC and Heat from this power. I have decided to run propane for cooking, and hot water, until we can add solar hot water as primary heat.

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I love my solar hot water it is well worth it. I use an evacuated tube system.

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I want to be running first, but solar water is important to add soon after! The inline propane water heater may not run at all, with solar heat in front of it. :)

I know I will be adding resistive water heating from the wind power, for dump loading when I am at full power in my batteries.

Wind generators myst be loaded all the time, or stopped at full charge. It is simplest to just switch in a load sized to full power on the generator. This dump load get HOT, so if they are attached to the hot wayer tank, and driven by the wind generator, after full charge, they will heat the water. One other big gain on the wind generators....

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Are those batteries rechargeables? I always imagined that you'd use car batteries to hold power for household needs from solar and wind. You've caught my attention now.

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Yes, very rechargeable, the lead acid car batteries will last about 5 years; these will last 30 + years.

I would really like a vanadium redox battery, but I need a functional system fast.

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