You can vilify taxes with the word 'theft', or consider them simply part of our 'social contract' in a Social Democracy, but any way you slice it, taxes are ideally how Americans pay in for the greater good of all. Paying taxes is part of being an American, and as such should sustain the livelihood of the people. Maybe that blows, maybe it's theft, but it is just part of our reality. Because this is part of the American condition, we should be able to assure that taxpayer dollars go to the things that cause us to grow and prosper as a people.
I left this conversation awhile ago man! I’m not gonna convince you guys that taxes make sense (however, I understand the voluntaryist point of view entirely) or that not every politician is exactly the same, evil enemy of the people. I’ve made my points, been dismissed, you made some points, and I’ve dismissed you. When I see things like
Democracy is a myth. It is no more legitimate than astrology is a science.
Do all politicians use politics? Yes. Then all politicians are committing evil.
(this gem is from @dullhawk)
I just know when to stop. I get your stance on these issues, thanks! I have lost my drive here to convince you or @dullhawk of anything. Peace and love though!
Peace and love? Those are incompatible with politics though! :D
I made my assertions and I stated the reasoning behind them. You just made unsupported assertions. Our job isn't to convince one another, but to reason through the issue. If democracy is a peaceful way to organize aspects of society, why can't you make a case for it? I think you know it's just a velvet glove for the iron fist attitude of "submit or die," though, and you don't want to admit that's what lies behind all the pretty political prose from AOC & company. I'm sure you can see it with Trump, but you want to believe that if the Republicans are the bad guys, the Democrats/Progressives are good by default. That's the false dichotomy of political discourse.
. . . In regard to the so-called social contract, I have often had occasion to protest that I haven’t even seen the contract, much less been asked to consent to it. A valid contract requires voluntary offer, acceptance, and consideration. I’ve never received an offer from my rulers, so I certainly have not accepted one; and rather than consideration, I have received nothing but contempt from the rulers, who, notwithstanding the absence of any agreement, have indubitably threatened me with grave harm in the event that I fail to comply with their edicts. - Robert Higgs
If there is a social contract, it is your obligation to make a case for it. The idea was invented by people who couldn't otherwise explain the legitimacy of the government, and it's not a good excuse at all.
You can vilify taxes with the word 'theft', or consider them simply part of our 'social contract' in a Social Democracy, but any way you slice it, taxes are ideally how Americans pay in for the greater good of all. Paying taxes is part of being an American, and as such should sustain the livelihood of the people. Maybe that blows, maybe it's theft, but it is just part of our reality. Because this is part of the American condition, we should be able to assure that taxpayer dollars go to the things that cause us to grow and prosper as a people.
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There is no social contract.
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i like the way you think :)
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Of course you do! Welcome to Steem, where the Libertarians run free, without any oppositional discourse!
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But, wait... isn't "oppositional discourse" what you were attempting to do?
If so, you'll have to try a little harder.
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Why don't you try engaging in discourse, then? Directly address points made.
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I left this conversation awhile ago man! I’m not gonna convince you guys that taxes make sense (however, I understand the voluntaryist point of view entirely) or that not every politician is exactly the same, evil enemy of the people. I’ve made my points, been dismissed, you made some points, and I’ve dismissed you. When I see things like
I just know when to stop. I get your stance on these issues, thanks! I have lost my drive here to convince you or @dullhawk of anything. Peace and love though!
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Peace and love? Those are incompatible with politics though! :D
I made my assertions and I stated the reasoning behind them. You just made unsupported assertions. Our job isn't to convince one another, but to reason through the issue. If democracy is a peaceful way to organize aspects of society, why can't you make a case for it? I think you know it's just a velvet glove for the iron fist attitude of "submit or die," though, and you don't want to admit that's what lies behind all the pretty political prose from AOC & company. I'm sure you can see it with Trump, but you want to believe that if the Republicans are the bad guys, the Democrats/Progressives are good by default. That's the false dichotomy of political discourse.
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Actually, not true at all! But I admire how much you think you know about me
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Hmm... Okay!
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Do you know what a contract is?
If there is a social contract, it is your obligation to make a case for it. The idea was invented by people who couldn't otherwise explain the legitimacy of the government, and it's not a good excuse at all.
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