yes but that is not the business fault as the people do the same thing we want to help the poor so we have welfare, the problem is when government helps the poor which is a good intention they must use force, they must force someone to provide for the poor. This is why government is corrupt and they should have less power. I agree big business can drive out small people but thats not a bad thing. If someone worked hard they dont deserve to be forced to loose wages or do anything. The problem with our country is our government they have to much power. I think we can agree that government has to much power. I also listen to others opinions as I like to see how they see things, opinions will never harm me as I know you can feel how you feel and there is nothing I should be allowed to do about it.
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Yeah I get what you mean, do you think the solution is to put power in the hands of ordinary people and small businesses? I cannot help but feel whilst its controlled either by big business or government the people generally get the raw end of the deal.
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I believe we should put the power in the hands of individuals, instead of individuals in power. If a person or persons are in power politically then they have control over others. When you put the power in the hands of individuals you give them the power to control themselves. I hope that made sense
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Yeah it totally does make sense and actually I totally agree with this, but don't you think government and business get in the way of this? Is business ever really on the side of the individual? From my experience they stomp on people just like government does.
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If a business can collude with government then yes they are usually either trying to do harm to other business or consumers. The only way to prevent this though is less government, I know its very hard to make government smaller, but we must vote for those that tell us they will make spending cuts. Have you heard of Rand Paul? look him up on youtube he ran for the republican primary with trump, bernie, and hillary
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I totally get what you mean about government being corrupt but if its made smaller won't business just take its place and be corrupt instead? We need things that are run by people not businesses or state? :-)
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When you put people in power they become corrupt especially if they are all the way in D.C I would first of all rather follow the constitution and all powers not delegated to the federal government are reserved for the states. So healthcare should be a state issue not a federal, same goes with percent of federal departments. Now lets say there was no state or business, we would be living in a barter system. If there are "businesses" which I dont like to call them that because they are just people. So in a where we have business or the ability to trade, naturally those that get rich would have to offer products or services to people that need or want them. You would not get rich by being corrupt and doing shady things, nor would most business because they would know if the consumer finds out they wont buy from him. What i'm trying to get at is in a free market which is when two individuals make an exchange voluntarily without the state picking sides or helping one at the expense of another. The only reason two people make an exchange is because they see an equal benefit in the trade. For example if I have a shirt and I ask you if you want to buy it, I may say 10 bucks and you would think if it sounds good to you. You may counter and say 8 I will think if it sounds good to me, if during this process an exchange is made, we must have both benefited from the trade or we would not have made a trade. So that process is all business is. The state on the other hand may want to rig the game as they see benefit in controlling all of us business included, so the state may enact price controls and maybe suggest some business is doing something it shouldn't, which is usually what they say. Now enacting price controls is going on in the U.S right now, what this does is make it harder for other companies to compete, creating a regulated market. For example imagine if they was a man that studied knee surgery for 20 years, just didnt go to college or get any "formal" training, but did train. This man is your neighbor and he has a little hospital room setup in his house, sense i'm thinking of a free market, he only had to trade with another person to get the equipment. There would be a lot more companies producing this equipment too, now your neighbor does not have any licensing from the government. You need a knee surgery the monopolistic hospitals we have today are charging 10,000 or 5,000 whatever it may be, your neighbor says, ill charge you 2,000 and you decide for yourself if you think you will benefit from letting him give you the surgery, he does the surgery and its perfect! you advise your fellow citizens that this guy is good and its cheap, then the government finds out that they didnt give this guy permission i.e a license, to give surgeries, so they arrest him. This is not a free market, in a free market we the people or we the individuals decide who does surgery on us as individuals. You dont decide for me, I dont decide for you, and especially the GOVERNMENT!!!! should not decide for us. This is why business without help from the state cannot do anything to you that you dont let it. For example I could try and take advantage of you, and say I want 100 for this shirt, if you said yes sure I guess I got cha, but you agreed to buy it for 100 dollars. Usually when we as individuals are left to be responsible for ourselves we do a better job then having government be responsible on our behalf. The reason I dont like bernie, is he wants government to be responsible on our behalf. This is just my opinion but usually people are less responsible with other peoples stuff, so why should we trust the government to be responsible for building hospitals, running hospitals, etc Once they control the hospitals they will be complete monopolies, as the private owners will still be the ones running the hospitals but their will be no competition. prices will all be the same, everything would be the same, exempt for in the poor communities where their hospitals would be the worst. I hope I did not loose you in all of this.
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No I do get what you are saying :-) this is an interesting debate :-)
I would agree with a lot of that except for in my view there is a big difference between large corporations and small businesses, large corporate interests often push and bully there way that the governments do too, individuals or small businesses are generally much more fair with each other, there is a lot of cases over history of big businesses creating monopolies that massively exploit people who are at the bottom, for example lets say you have one town where most of the jobs are controlled by a large corporate interests, they have a huge monopoly on the workforce, if they shut down everyone lose there jobs so people will obey them no matter what rules they have, ok sure they could try setup in competition but even if they did would they have a real chance against someone like walmart? or would they collapse because they can compete? I agree about your lack of faith in government, it is very often massively corrupted but at the same time I think business can be just as bad and aggressive towards those who are vulnerable, the increase of small business on a mass scale gives more power to the individuals don't you reckon?
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yes I dont think we should compare anything to free markets in today's world, so you pointed out Walmart. Yet we have way to many regulations in place right now, so their is not much competition against Walmart. I think Walmart does a good job though at getting the best product at a cheap price. Monopolies usually never form in a free market environment unless they offer a better product for a cheaper price and in this case this is good for the consumers, as when at least I go to the store I look for the cheapest thing, unless its a horrible product of course. I would fear monopolies that form due to government intervention, because now a business has the ability to offer a worse product at a higher price. Healthcare is a great example of a horrible service at a very high price, but where is the competition? Healthcare is the most highly regulated market we have in America. I would not fear a business that is in a free market no matter how big they are because if the business is huge they still cannot offer a worse product at a high price because someone will offer a better product at a slightly lower price and these companies will be forced to compete to stay in business. I admit I am not the king on any of these topics, I advise Murray Rothbard, Ludwig Von Mises, Ron Paul, Milton Friedman, and you know what you could just go to Mises.org and they have tons of books in the store section. I'm not telling you your wrong in your thinking or i'm right in my thinking, I am simply suggesting a site that has a lot of information on these topics. In my opinion if I may express it, Austrian economics speaks true to me, I fully believe that it is the best way to have freedom and liberty and economic liberty, although as the Mises institute will show, I dont believe you can have freedom if you do not have economic freedom. I would say we must not look at today as capitalism, we must look at it as state run socialism or communism. An example that I think shows we do not have private ownership of the means of production, which is the true definition of capitalism. If you own something it is yours you can destroy it, give it away, sell it, rent it out, put it in storage, abandon it, basically do what you want with it so long as it does not violate the rights of others. So a first clue in showing we do not really "own" the means of production which in my opinion is anything that can produce something so a garden, sowing machine, anything that you can sell. Well if you owned the means of production you would not have to pay property tax on the land you "own" Like I said if you own it then you can do what you want with it that includes going to Florida and coming back to Michigan 10 years latter and its still yours. Instead if you leave to Florida and perhaps dont pay your property tax or "rent" to the government they will take back that land as it was not really yours. Now also if you own property nobody can come and tell you what to do with it, yet we let the government come into our lives and say you must have a deck, or you must have a railing to sell it, they say you cannot discriminate when you sell "your" land or house. These are all examples of a situation where the government is the true owner and your just making exchanges on the governments behalf. Now people will say well if we dont pay a property tax we wont have schools, no no we wont have government controlled schools we will have free market schooling, now they say well then only rich kids will get schooling and I can throw that argument out of the water, as there is more low income people then high income so they will be a big target for a capitalist. I could be a private tutor and charge maybe 10 dollars an hour and you could hire them for 4 hours a day but only 2 or 3 days a week, But your free to choose for you so 1 hour a day, or send them to a school whatever you want to do, I mean its your kid not mine. Like I said the Mises Institute can explain everything most likely better then me. thanks for listening and respecting other opinions I see where you are coming from it can really be a scary concept when you look at business today, and think you want them to have free range, but I want everyone to have free range without being restricted or boosted by government.
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Oh and also, as this is an interesting debate, followed :-D
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