How conservatives convinced me to quit being a liberal

careywedler (65) in politics • 7 years ago (edited)

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7 years ago by careywedler (65)

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sdl1987 (42) · 7 years ago

I recognize myself in this...
In my country Belgium, I grew up with mostly the leftists/socialists being in the government and messing up a lot.
So I thought, the right/conservatives will be clean up the mess right?

How wrong was I...

For me, all politicians are the same. They present themselves in their way and try to convince you with their good believes.
But once they have the power, it is hard to look after those good believes.

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careywedler (65) · 7 years ago

The problem isn't the people in positions of power, but the existence of those positions of power.

Thanks for dropping by :-)

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skycornish (55) · 7 years ago

I agree completely! But things will get better! People are waking up!

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drakos (70) · 7 years ago

Well said. But in the end, there's no left or right because they both embody hypocrisy and deception to move forward the same agenda dictated by their bankster and corporate masters. Keep the nation divided in their opinions and conquer; always was, always will be true.

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quoteth-he (25) · 7 years ago

This "both sides are the same" argument is so tired and obviously wrong considering our current administration and its GOP enablers.

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drakos (70) · 7 years ago

No it's not wrong. Look back at the history of each american president, you'll see they all perpetuate the same things: wars, corporate handouts, foreign fears (anti-Russia, anti-China rhetoric), more poverty, etc. They may change a few things on the surface to give the illusion of change, but deep down it's always been the status quo.

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careywedler (65) · 7 years ago

Very true. Don't suppose you watched the video? I cover the "distinction without a difference" starting at about the 1:30 mark :-)

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drakos (70) · 7 years ago

Yes I watched it of course.

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bibleanarchist (47) · 7 years ago

So...when you saw through the liberal fakery, it was the conservitive fakery that opened your eyes to your own cognitive disdonece? Now you recognise the illegitimacy of the state all together? It's no matter how you got here, anarchy is glad to have you. Agora!

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the.human.union (48) · 7 years ago (edited)

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cryptkeeper17 (64) · 7 years ago (edited)

What a novel concept, evaluating your current thinking, where you get your information so that you may find a more suitable path for your free will as a citizen to be exercised. If this activity were done once every few years (multiplied 350 million) we wouldn't need politicians, or at the very least not near as much. Thank you for the post @careywedler!

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strutter (25) · 7 years ago

Great Video! Collectivism will always lead to some form of tyranny. The internal logos of the group always trumps the right of the individual to be free. For the evangelicals it is a world where everybody is following the word of god, for anarchists it's a world where all ruling institutions are destroyed, even if the individual is voluntarily giving up sovereignty, in return for protection. Radical Feminist want a world which is governed primarily by woman, because they belief masculinity is by existence a dreadful concept. All ideologies house an utopia, which is the legitimation for intellectual & legislative authority. If you are (supposedly) fighting for greater good, the use of force is not looked down upon.

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quoteth-he (25) · 7 years ago

Any law or rule trumps the right of the individual to be free, and that's not always a bad thing. Why should people be free to do things that hurt other people? From the perspective of a murderous person, the law prohibiting murder is "tyranny."

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careywedler (65) · 7 years ago

Your rights as an individual to be free stop at exactly the point where they infringe on another's right to be free. Hence, there is no need for a "law" amongst moral humans.

Unfortunately, "laws" are just made up by violent gangs, who claim that they have the right to infringe on everyone else's freedoms, "for their own good".

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quoteth-he (25) · 7 years ago

Yes, if all humans were moral we wouldn't need laws, but unfortunately, that's not the world we live in. People do bad things that hurt other people, and laws are needed to prevent harm and punish people who cause it.

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antoniomontana (25) · 7 years ago

Spot on, Join the Libertarian Party.

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quoteth-he (25) · 7 years ago

Not until they at least have a realistic plan to protect the environment.

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careywedler (65) · 7 years ago

Better yet, stop feeding into violent, authoritarian systems. Stop taking in their brainwashing, stop paying their extortion fees, stop acting like politicians are anything but gangsters, and start taking responsibility for your own life

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ypdyoutube (49) · 7 years ago

It would seem to me, after watching your video, that you are not upset with liberal ideology but rather liberal hypocrisy.

So, I think your real problem is not with the ideas of egalitarianism, but with political donations.

I know that seems like a weird jump in logic. But, politicians today claim one thing to get elected and then do whatever the donation class tells them. Mostly because we have legalized bribery over the last few decades as "donations" and "PAC money".

I would strongly suggest that you look into a few different organizations working to get money out of politics. There are a few different organizations that are working to do this:
www.wolf-pac.org - this is my favorite
movetoamend.org
inequalityforall.com
representus.us

There are many more. But those are the ones I personally follow.

The last thing I will say is that ideology that drives the body politic. And liberals, while far from perfect (as your video points out), still win in the marketplace of ideas. As equality and democratization are still far superior ideas.

So, please don't let the imperfect destroy the good or better. Just because your allies let you down doesn't mean what you are collectivly fighting for isn't still the correct thing to fight for.

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inventor16 (64) · 7 years ago

True

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coachrad (30) · 7 years ago

I remember when you first posted this video, I loved it, primarily because I had taken a similar route. Great job.

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careywedler (65) · 7 years ago

Thanks!

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foodandtravell (12) · 7 years ago

nice

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redbluetalk (37) · 7 years ago

I hear ya about the left, but right is gonna need some seriously better people if it wants to lead.

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careywedler (65) · 7 years ago

Right wing, left wing, same bird: fascism

That was kind of the point of the video, it doesn't matter which team someone's rooting for, when the game is violent control of the masses.

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bogglemcgee (48) · 7 years ago

It's a failing of the thinking of competition rather than cooperation. When in competition people want to win but when cooperating everyone just wins. As long as the pigs don't start walking on two legs.

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furnizzle (25) · 7 years ago

I think I found a new Fav channel.

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raimoe (27) · 7 years ago

You are making a great point here. Perhaps we should dial back the power struggle and focus on the good parts of our short lives.

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i420friendly (25) · 7 years ago

politics are rigggg , simple dont fall for both partys im just saying cause they have a agenda

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spozone (49) · 7 years ago

IDK if I'd be so proud to claim the conservative title so quickly...maybe I should welcome you to the libertarian party but they seem to be just about as nuts as the others. Anyways. Welcome to Steemit. Liked your video and upvoted, resteemed, and followed you.
Maybe I should just say welcome to the enlightened. Peace. God be with you,gor after all we are truly dealing with the principalities of darkness in low places.

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ilt-yodith (55) · 7 years ago

I had a similar religious experience.

Raelians convinced me to quit being a Heaven’s Gatist, but then I realized that they both just wanted to control my soul, so I became a best boy grip for Benny Hinn’s tour. He cured my cankersores through the laying of hands.

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quoteth-he (25) · 7 years ago

Both sides are not the same. Neither is perfect by a long shot, but they're not equally bad. That should be obvious now more than ever, considering the current administration which relies on hate, racism, xenophobia, and division, and the GOP which allows them to do it with impunity.

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careywedler (65) · 7 years ago

Both "sides" are only interested in maintaining their monopoly on violence, expanding control, and wiping out any who get in the way

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bradynields (27) · 7 years ago

I'm going to have to go with anarcho-capitalism.

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careywedler (65) · 7 years ago

Anarchy is the obvious answer :-) Since none of us know what's best for everyone else (often not even for ourselves), let's just let each one figure it out on their own!

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bigtom13 (64) · 7 years ago

So. I came at it from the opposite direction, but arrived at the same conclusions as you. I was a passionate supporter of Ronnie and trudged on from there.

Thanks for a great post. I'll be watching for more...

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bigtom13 (64) · 7 years ago

So. I came from the other side of the aisle as you, but came to the same conclusions.

I'll be watching for more from you. Much more.

Thank you for this.

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reversehitler88 (43) · 7 years ago

Im still a staunch liberal - except i dont accept the claim of progressives that they are liberal. But i realise that in the US that flies.
And conservatism? Its hard to find a more conservative value than liberalism (in the west, that is, chinese conservatism is communistic) except either religion or monarchy. Other than that...There where a few times and places after the birth of liberalism in the UK back in the early 1700s which really were not liberal, but non stuck around.

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