Will ANYTHING get the US govt to stop the failed war on drugs?

fatkat (71) · 7 years ago

Didn't Teflon Don give a speech in 90s supposedly saying only solution is legalization? And is a failed war on responsiblity much better when the commies get the government to shift from prohibition via criminalization to prohibition via medicalization? What I thought, Packman goes on to advocate presumably continued intervention via medicalization??

The commies, will just transform the war on drugs, into a war on addiction and continue fucking over the plebians and less connected for a few decades likely, after the "drug war" ends/ transforms from focus on bs social costs to bs caring about the addict individual costs.

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fatkat (71) · 7 years ago (edited)

@davidpakman/ @samseder

Depending on what you define as ending the war on drugs. If you copycat my series here, then this would help end it. But I imagine you only care about harmless popular weed and are a shill and still think adults who use crack and heroin and meth, substances that likely hurt their lives should instead be treated like children by government storm troopers, with your public health nonsense.

The point of this series is to discuss real victims of the drug war and let people know that what is happening today is unjust, and the government is actively hurting their fellow citizens. If you and Sam Seder and all the other B listers on here started talking about the victims of state action and how negative that is, or likely only war on weed for you guys, then it would probably stop much faster.

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nicholas83 (56) · 7 years ago

Get rid of private prisons and a large part of your problem is solved.

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davidpakman (76) · 7 years ago

I agree we should get rid of private prisons, but it's important not to overstate their importance, as only about 8% of all inmates in the US are in private prisons.

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nicholas83 (56) · 7 years ago

What about the industries that are built around it? Don't you think that the impact is more significant when we look at these things?

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littleminer (32) · 7 years ago

I think the problem of the war on drugs is the criminalization of it, because the money of drugs shift to the criminals, the black market, and with that kind of money you can have a lot of power and push there consumers to buy other dangerous shit. The one thing that they need to realise is that people will not stop consuming drugs that's why the italian mafia got a lot of power, the drug cartels in mexico today and a lot of bad people over the world. The solution is to legalize and regularize all drugs to shift that money to good actors and tax it, with that money it will help to fund a lot of things and you can put ads to warn and educate of the dangeours of drugs like we do with alcohol and tabacco.

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terryxxjones (43) · 7 years ago

Not likely since USA's drug problem is akin to their terrorism problem.

Police State frauds where they harm themselves to seem important and needed and innocent and perfect and heroic.

Drug problems are State's doing.

More mongering on the problem(s).

Cops have best dope....

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cahickam (27) · 7 years ago

Cannabis is legal in one form or another in more than half the states right now. We are winning the war on drugs! They made some strong advances early on, had a whole disinformation campaign that has lasted decades. But slowly but surely we are winning the war for drugs. Really says something quite profound probably. That or I'm just baked right now...

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terryxxjones (43) · 7 years ago

Good point. The States are wrong since the US Federal Statutes would apply and no lower state can abrogate them. This says you have a larger problem now. They have no legality, States can't make those laws.

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tronthetechie (56) · 7 years ago (edited)

I don't think there ever is an end to the war on drugs, the entire problem was with the initial framing, when you wage a war, there is an enemy to defeat, but if the enemy you want to defeat is the people you want to save, there is no winning.

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mgarsteck (37) · 7 years ago

We always need an enemy to be at war with.

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jamesgetsit (64) · 7 years ago

It's already happening. The paradigm is already changing. Countries around the globe are starting to decriminalize some drugs, some countries are decriminalizing ALL drugs. Many states are already starting to adopt many of these same policies, especially in regards to Marijuana. That's only the beginning. The war on drugs is coming to an end very very very soon.

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mgarsteck (37) · 7 years ago

I agree. I think the dominos are already falling. The world is trending towards decentralization of more than just currency. I think all of this is driven by uncertainty amongst society

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stuvi (41) · 7 years ago

The world is trying to change, but still the media is not telling this to the people..

If CNN tells the people about the cryptocurrencies and the benefits on it, about the drugs decriminalize everything would be different.

This is a slow movement... but we are on the path to a new world.

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chris-yoder (31) · 7 years ago

So long as the politicians are getting bribed to keep it illegal and have an easy smear like "soft on crime" it will never stop.

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cricri27 (49) · 7 years ago

is a question that should be revised with much study of a political and social nature

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tgheretic (40) · 7 years ago

When you take away the profit motives that helps keep it illegal, and there are many people and institutions that profit from it being illegal, then it may end. However, just like the war on terror, don't expect it to end any time soon, or even in your lifetime for that matter!

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sharminkona (55) · 7 years ago

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mhmtdr0 (57) · 7 years ago

The United States has been living this war for a long time

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artbyclark (67) · 7 years ago

I think the reason the war on drugs hasn't stopped is because they've made it to profitable. The US has spent over 1trillion in 40 years with this 'war.' With the current power holders, if it's profitable, they'll keep doing it.
This makes more and more sense once one realizes that this could easily be fixed by passing certain laws. Instead, laws that accomplish the opposite effect are usually set in motion. Also, laws that empower citizens are usually stripped away. We need new power holders with agendas that help benefit as many people as possible.
Just my thoughts on the matter. I could be wrong.

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mgarsteck (37) · 7 years ago

I think we are in motion to decriminalize and reschedule MJ. But other than that, I dont see us doing the things that we actually need to be doing to fix the drug problem as a whole. But with MJ becoming legal, maybe there will be fewer opioid addicts.

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thatgermandude (59) · 7 years ago

The Legal Opium Industry is a huge issue. They are just trying to get money out of the Afghanistan War.

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gikitiki (60) · 7 years ago

What would happen to the unemployment rate if all the DEA officers lost their jobs?

That would look bad on the politicians.

... and, the tax revenue stream is kinda nice too.

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littleminer (32) · 7 years ago

And if you legalize the revenue stream will be more than nice too and people will not go to jail for a stupid non-violent crime. That's plus to me.

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gikitiki (60) · 7 years ago

Canada is legalizing Marijuana in 2018. It's a step in the right direction.

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terryxxjones (43) · 7 years ago (edited)

"The war on drugs has been a total disaster. "

As designed, yes.... Police State farming more opportunity for them to kick down the door of innocents or their victims.

Mistakes exonerate crooked cops in their minds.

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marksheppard (63) · 7 years ago

The problem with the war on drugs is the same as with many other issues: greed. Large pharmaceutical companies make a killing (literally) selling their opioid painkillers. It's easy to keep prisons full when drugs are illegal, and when prisons are full, it's easy to exploit those prisoners as a means to use legal slave labor.

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gweedy (50) · 7 years ago

America seems to have to have a war on everything and everybody for the past 4 decades.

I have taught in the schools since 1981 and run my own music school for the past 25 yrs and I can confirm that the only achievements the war has produced is to fill up the privatized for profit prison system with essentially non-violent slave labor.

Not only that, but this "War" has only made it easier for our kids to get any kind of drugs than it is to get their hands on a 6pack of Coors. All while introducing them to criminals. I guess you could call it a "practical" education.

Canada is in the process of legalizing Pot which can only be a good thing but I feel it does not go far enough. We should follow the example of Portugal where they legalized all drugs and took the money spent on enforcement and put it into education and health care and they have all but eliminated the drug addition issues.

Americans seem to have this crazy idea that we have to legislate morality and it just ends up costing the tax payer billions with absolutely the wrong results.

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drakos (70) · 7 years ago

Nothing will stop it. Too much private investments and lobbies. Like everything in the USA, it has become an industry that is too big to fail.

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