RE: If you support the animal industry are you indirectly supporting slavery?

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If you support the animal industry are you indirectly supporting slavery?

in politics •  7 years ago  (edited)

But you are aware that most of the crop is used to feed the animals we eat, yes? It requires ~12kg of food (and 15,000l of water) to produce 1kg of beef.

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I am aware that they use a lot of Soya if this is what do u mean? Do not get me wrong, I am against, in general, the industrialization of both, the agricultural and animal growing ... but I see it as a dopple-moral to fight against one and not the other. Go vegan is not the answer to the problem of the industrialization, at least for me. And it is true also that we (normal people) just care for animals we know, means dog, cat, pigs, cows and the 2 or 3 more... the other ones that we do not have contact in our everyday live we do really not care at all. It si a reality that I have seeing with my own eyes, not just in a news on Internet... so u get. for example, the aborigens figthing for lands in Chile because big companies are cutting all the endemic forrest to make plantations of many kind... mostly wood for paper but you also get agro-food plantations. And with the forrest all the animals living there died or moved away ... this animals also have rights ;) And it is just one example but I understand that if you do not see it with your own eyes it is not the same.

Edit: I am also aware we trow away 50% of the food production every day ... we produce more than we need, or at least it looks like. Maybe this is the problem and not to eat this or that

  ·  7 years ago (edited)

A lot of it is soy, yes, but not only that. In the US it's mostly grain.
The point is, without meat we'd need much less land for farming. 36% of the calories of plants we grow are used to feed livestock. And 90% of those calories are lost (while threatening the climate through farts).
The more meat is eaten in the country, the more - in the US it's a whopping 65% which is fed to animals! In other numbers, the amount of land that feeds 5 people right now, could feed 16 in a vegetarian usa.

But you can grow your animals by your self at home like we did in Cuba normally, you can also hunt. You do not need to grow animals in a industry scale and is what I advocate for, same for agriculture. The mass production come because of mass comsuption not the other way around. Without mas comsuption the mass production could not exist.

My idea, let the people choose what they want to eat and they should also do it by they self. Maybe they can produce a bit more to give away or exchange for something else of course. But not in an industrial level or then you get what we have now. A criminal industry and monopoly.

Agreed. The scale is the issue, but our consumption habits are responsible for that.

but our consumption habits are responsible for that

For sure! And it is what I also advocate for changing but not saying to the people that something they do for 1000s years is bad. You should show what the real problem is from my point of view. Maybe then, people will start to understand and will began to buy less meat in the markets (sometimes in Germany in the supermarket the meat part is empty on the weekends, crazy!) as a forst step to a better future .... they also need to put the TVs off. ;)

Those issues are well known and presented in the media once in a while. Cognitive dissonance is a bitch.

Cognitive dissonance is a bitch

Sad but true! :(

12kg of food (and 15,000l of water per day????? Really??? I did not knew that! Honestly this is too much, I should re-think again about it... I knew about the plants and the water in the earth... planst like pine and eucalipthus that take 100, 150 liters of water every day and when you cut this plants for the wood you can not use this earth to plant anything any more til 20-25 years later.

Not per day, per kg of meat we get out of the animal.

Ah ok! I got scare, that were big numbers! :)

They are ;-) A cow gives 300kg of meat and lives ~18 months. If you want to get the number per day per cow, it's ~8000l of water.

Excellent point Pharesim! Hey, hate to go off topic here but just had a quick question regarding the production rate of Steem. Does the production rate still double every 2nd year and on the 3rd year increase by 10 fold?

I just read the Steem blue paper and it seems from reading it that the Steem production may have dramatically declined in Dec. of 2016 so that, as mentioned in the Blue Paper, "The rate that new tokens are generated was set to 9.5% per year starting in December 2016, and decreases at a rate of 0.01% every 250,000 blocks, or about 0.5% per year. The inflation will continue decreasing at this rate until it reaches 0.95%, after a period of approximately 20.5 years." Wow! If this is true it would be a huge change in the production rate. Is the Blue Paper true? tip!

Yes, that was changed. The blue paper is up to date.

Thank you for the quick reply. tip!