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freedomnation (57) · 8 years ago

Edit: they are aware, that's the main reason why cryptos are still marginalized as a safe way of conducting financial relations. They would rather take transaction fees and interest than make a world a better place.

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kyle.anderson (60) · 8 years ago

The freedoms allowed can be much deeper than simple economic freedoms. Take a look at my TL comment, futarchy is interesting.

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freedomnation (57) · 8 years ago (edited)

Economy has becomed the basis of human being , and it's in that position for a very long time, evolutioned through centuries of human development. Every time something big happened in the human history you can most certainly connect it with - money. Wars, battles, peace, architectural wonders or successful merchant republics? Art? Philosophy? French revoltion? Well, I'm sure everyone knows that. But making money flow through civic relations more freely is something new and revolutionary. Finally we are on a doorstep of having an financially uncontrolled or part-controlled society which will be having many benefits for civilization if accompanied by a humanistic cause. :)

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kyle.anderson (60) · 8 years ago

I don't disagree, I am not discrediting the influence of money. I believe there is more to the picture.

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kyle.anderson (60) · 8 years ago

I saw the article and was also meaning to add some of my comments but you took to the strong points very nicely.

The crypto-anarchic future we are possibly heading towards will be characterized by vigilantism as new tools allow decenteralized bounty structures emerge.

The traditional governments will strongly oppose the 'legislation by the people' granted by these new crypto technologies. The new anarchic politics will only emerge due to support by the people. Think of this as a sort of ad-hoc policital system. Laws are decenteralized from the government - elected by the citizen stakeholders. Decenteralized bounties exist to support an independent vigilante force.

I don't believe this will happen quickly, or even that it will happen at all. I just know these crypto economics can support new types of governance structures only dreamed about in science fiction.

Take a look at futarchy as an example of a society where decisions are made based on prediction markets. The citizens vote on the metrics to be optimized by the markets.

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rok-sivante (75) · 8 years ago

Excellently-articulated outlook / contribution to the dialogue.

"Decentralized bounty structures"

The potentials... :-)

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kyle.anderson (60) · 8 years ago

I have several articles in the work around my ideas here. None are close to being done. I have to articulate some of these things correctly - writing is not my strongest trait.

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rok-sivante (75) · 8 years ago

Stoked to read as they come together & out...

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system-sengine (45) · 8 years ago

And it's odd to think of how often we refer to governments as "they" - as though these entities are antagonistic structures run at the whim of some elite puppet masters

Quite right. Governments may at times be slow, inefficient or even plain stupid, but it's not institutionalized maliciousness.

Most people that get a government job do it for safety, not out of power hunger. Some just do it because their parents or friends did.
Most just do their job, though some will abuse their 'power'
Gov. workers follow their guidelines 'blindly' not out of stupidity but because they'll be fired if they dont. And even stupid guidelines may have had good intentions. Like corruption prevention rules make the process of acquisition really slow and inefficient. And dont prevent all corruption, just the overt one.
While the ability to set the guidelines may be abused to some extent, you cant just go all puppet master on a mature republic and turn it into an autocracy. That will take you decades (not pointing fingers, you know your own examples).
Bureacracies are really slow to change course, just like mega tankers. Or bitcoin (just a joke, dont throw rocks ;). But depending on the new direction that can be a good thing.

So, while some parts of government will fight decentralisation, others will embrace it. Or simply not give a shit. Just like the rest of humanity.

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rok-sivante (75) · 8 years ago

Excellent points / addition to the dialogue. 👌

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theblindsquirl (57) · 8 years ago

Great piece.

Probably the kind of thing that would have gotten you arrested for reading a few decades ago.

Thanks for reminding those of us who are unhappy with the current system, that there's still a light at the end of the tunnel.

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rok-sivante (75) · 8 years ago

And that light seems to be getting brighter and brighter, just as the train we're on heading towards it keeps speeding up... ;-)

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dreamrafa (66) · 8 years ago

Great read indeed!, many interesting ideas here... The possibility of decentralization and it consequences are huge, this is a really game changer for humanity!

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tremendospercy (65) · 8 years ago

This is a brilliant piece of work. Kudos.
I hope you're right and we finally see an end to this paradigm in my lifetime.

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lost.identity (46) · 8 years ago

He is right. it's coming THIS YEAR. You folks better wake the fuck up, you're gonna get caught with no food soon. This is no joke, and it's gonna collapse shit this year 100% THE US DOLLAR IS ALREADY DEAD. 23+ countries don't accept it. Bonds are being bought by THEMSELVES to prop up the economy. It's already here. GUNS FOOD WATER AMMO BITCOIN GOLD SILVER..

You will need ALL TO SURVIVE. (most)

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tremendospercy (65) · 8 years ago

You're preaching to the converted dude. Hopefully those in the dark will see our interactions and take the red pill. If not they'll be waiting on line for a handout that ain't coming.

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rok-sivante (75) · 8 years ago

Or most likely not. People been screaming the sky is falling like this for a long time... more likely there will be some speedbumps, with the same folks shouting the same thing same time next year, and the year after...

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ravagecarnival (43) · 8 years ago

Great post. Followed!

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malem (43) · 8 years ago

Excellent post (y)

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automaton (56) · 8 years ago

Once the masses realize they can earn a decent income on the blockchain it will set in motion some interesting events: The gamification of everything. Irrelevance of the central banking model. The shopping retail mall implosion. Irrelevance of state taxation model. I could on but I have to finish my coffee.

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lost.identity (46) · 8 years ago

First they have to survive the shutdown. When the central banks fall this year, it's gonna take a good year to boot up. You must fend for yourself during that time. Are you ready?

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rok-sivante (75) · 8 years ago

YES. Exciting prospects ahead indeed...

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msirocco (35) · 8 years ago

We are stronger than them!

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hardcore-crypto (25) · 8 years ago (edited)

Excellent article, I share the same ideas as you do.I truly believe that in the next decade we will see a totally different society, possibly this is the beginning of a stateless society without government currency intervention. At the moment this is only a very distant dream however, the reality can change quickly.

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yestur (39) · 8 years ago

Have you seen https://humaniq.co

Also don't miss Byteball A I R D R O P! Just register your btc address to get coins
https://steemit.com/crypto/@yestur/how-to-get-byteball-for-free-by-just-linking-your-bitcoin-address

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rok-sivante (75) · 8 years ago

Yes, i have a bit of HMQ in my portfolio.

Will pass on Byteball...

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yestur (39) · 8 years ago

Good please spread the news as ppl don't know about this fair distribution attempt, not ICO marketing pumped propaganda

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wekkel (51) · 8 years ago

This aligns with certain posts on the following site: http://greatestinstruments.net

Are we witnessing the end of an era?

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draoissey (33) · 8 years ago

Really new to this. It was all really great information

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lavater (53) · 8 years ago

not sure why you have a freemasonic image as opener.
are you hoping for the collapse of the current Freemason Empire? cos that's what's ruling over us now and in control of world's politics . every single "political leader" on the world stage (appropriate word) is a Freemason.
all the staged fake terror attacks to bring in tyranny are organized by Freemasonry at the highest level (they don't even hide the footprints anymore.)
the 2 party system , aka hegelian dialectic, is pretty much the masonic duality in play. even right wing populists like Trump are freemasons playing their part in the dialectic to enslave the masses (the synthesis goal). left and right are the 2 hands of the same beast.
btw the article is good for newbies I suppose but there's nothing new in this article for anyone who's been in the cryptosphere for a few years or attended some bitcoin conferences in the past
there are already some political movements riding on new technologies: the Pirate Party and the 5 star movement which could win in Italy, and which btw doesn't allow freemasons in its ranks (the freemasons in italy have been caught with their pants down cospiring, in corrpution scandals and even falseflag terrorism in the 80s)
I think you're too focused on"masters", "leaders" . this new decentralized revolution relies a lot on collective intelligence and decisions requiring consensus. you'lll even see wisdom of the crowds becoming pivotal. be your own master or let only the algorythm be the arbiter, do not put your faith in people as masters or leaders. power corrupts people with no exception. thousands of years of history should be sufficient evidence.

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rok-sivante (75) · 8 years ago

Maybe you're just projecting your entire belief system into one possible interpretation of a single image, the reasoning which it was selected having absolutely no relevance to any of what shpeal your conditioned responses sent you into - your own judgements accumulated through your memory of what you've "learned" about it completely cutting you off from a wealth of perspectives available should you look beyond your own preconceptions of a single small piece of a much larger presentation of ideas...

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lavater (53) · 8 years ago (edited)

then "enlighten" me why you inserted the Freemason symbol into your article. cos that's what it is.
what I posted is all factual. freemasonry, which might have had a positive role between 1700-1900 , now it is a global mafia , and just like the mafia it relies on the oath of secrecy. I see you have other posts filled with masonic symbology...if you're part of the gang good luck.

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steampunk-penny (52) · 8 years ago

Goodness, what a great read to start my day with! Thank you for putting this together, and for your insight. Really enjoyable read. :-)

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rok-sivante (75) · 8 years ago

your welcome. :-)

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krypto101 (49) · 8 years ago

What a great read... thanks for sharing

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