RE: Where Would You Put Yourself on This Graphic?

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Where Would You Put Yourself on This Graphic?

in politics •  8 years ago 

Like I said, we have some conflicting definitions.

Getting what others produce is not a necessary part of capitalism. Many would associate that idea more with socialism. Again, the core difference between socialism and capitalism is that capitalism defines all ownership in terms of individuals rather than collectives. Within capitalism and socialism the specific principles vary between individuals, but that's the criteria for differentiating the two.

Yes, the US government is based on the idea that society has collective rights that cannot be used by all individuals in a decentralized way.

Government is created as a supposedly collective (but centralized) entity to represent the people and use their collective rights for them. Defining rights as collective such that they cannot be exercised individually inevitably results in centralized power.

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I don't have time to explain basic economic systems

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/Marx_Wage_Labour_and_Capital.pdf

just read this

also socialism is literally being able to labor on the means of production and literally get everything you fucking produce

what your'e thinking of is anti-socialist propaganda......

Clearly you have the time, but you may lack the capacity or the interest.

I've read that, and it's full of holes. Obviously labor has different value to the laborer than to the employer, or they would never agree to exchange it. Workers also have and can accumulate capital. While envy and social context are a factor in people's desires, wealth is not entirely relative: greater prosperity is worthwhile even if others also prosper to the same degree.

What you're describing as socialism is simply the end you hope to achieve, not a system or means by which it could be realized. You have answered none of my points, and seem more attached to fervently voicing your support for the word "socialism" than to any particular meaning implied by that word.

the laborer needs to survive..... if living wage is higher than his wage he cant accumulate capital....

not bothering reading the rest of that

Have a great day. I wish you an abundant increase in both knowledge and civility.

nice way to get by :D I do think politics is a mixed bunch and lumping stuff into categories servers to only get us to tangle with each other on definitions, I'm all for socialism(as I understand it) socialising, so for you civility :) my definition would be singing together, (since I misspelled it :D ) /working/growing call it communism, call it socialism, call it capitalism, I don't care :)