Yeah, I definitely do not buy into Snopes at all. Maybe that particular stat is BS .. but the principle holds. Are you saying that there hasn't been society changing levels of migrant induced crime throughout Europe? Are there not no-go zones?
Why is nationalism/populism increasing at such levels if everything is cool?
On the social architect stuff, that's a huge topic of discussion. I don't think I could productively bring you up to speed on it. If you don't see it at this point (in everything from TV to movies, to the type of censorship we see, to social policies), I don't think I'll be able to make you see. "Globalist elite" sums it up nicely.
No worries on patronization - if my statements are incorrect I deserve to be called on them.
Evidence, please. Reliable, checkable sources. If you want to make these claims, then it is up to you to back them up, not for me to debunk them.
Because, perhaps, that fake news and right wing agendas are telling people lies? You have already fallen for one big fat lie, and repeated it to me.
Who are these shadowy social architects? How is it that these anonymous boogie men can wield such power? Seriously, who are they?
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Go to duckduckgo.com and type "european migrant crime" or "swedish rape." You are asking for evidence for things that are self evident. There is a shitload of migrant crime.
Google, youtube, facebook, twitter, the Vatican, the BIS & World Bank, the Federal Reserve, most of the multinationals, the Rothschilds, the CIA, the FBI, the Tavistock Institute, the Clintons, the Bushes, George Soros, most mainstream news organizations, the European Union, and many, many more .. take yer pick. Of course, you will say "evidence please", and I'll revert to my earliers statement: if you don't see it at this point, I can't help you see it.
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Look, I have enjoyed this, but I think it may have run its course. I did go to duckduckgo.com (thanks for that, was unaware of it) and looked at Swedish Rape, and got this:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/feb/20/what-statistics-say-about-immigration-and-sweden/
Which begs the question: why didn't you do this before telling me fake news?
Of course there is a lot of migrant crime. I haven't denied it. It's the conclusions that we draw that will divide us. The mass immigration in Europe has been very poorly handled. I am not some blind, bleeding heart liberal.
As for these shadowy social architects, it seems to me that you are seeing what you have been taught to see. I will do some digging, and I will read around, but you have to understand that you are pointing towards some sort of multi-layered , convoluted, (and presumably unprovable) conspiracy theory here.
How about this: this is just society evolving. There is no agenda. The world is shrinking and people are moving around. I am an immigrant. I know lots of immigrants, of all colours. We all have our own, personal reasons for being immigrants, but being a part of some globalist masterplan isn't one of them.
The truth (doesn't really exist) to all this somewhere between your perspective and mine. I have to say though: it feels like your mind is made up.
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You are pretty selective in terms of links you bring forward, eh?!!
My overall philosophy is one of flexibility and consideration. That said, once you take the red pill, there really is no going back. Once you see, there is no unseeing. I am absolutely open to new ideas and perspectives, but not ones that have been explicitly put out there to help "cushion the blow" of globalist policies. Remember the saying, "the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was to convince people he did not exist." I believe that that is what's in play here.
Thanks for the thoughts and debate, and good luck in your search for "truth", whatever the hell that might be!
PS Project mockingbird might be something that interests you.
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I'll look it up, thanks.
That was genuinely the only link I looked at. And that's two sources that have debunked the claim that Sweden is the rape capital of Europe.
Honestly, I don't see how all the organisations and families you listed could possibly be working together, or even towards a shared goal.
All the best to you too. It's been lovely to disagree with someone who isn't insecure and pissy when he is challenged.
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Wow, as a European that has lived in the UK and Spain I can categorically tell you that this 'no go zone' thing is BS of the highest caliber. And Europe is going to hell as much as the US and Canada is and it has nothing to do with migration, and all to do with neoliberal capitalist interests causing a banking crisis, a military occupation crisis and a crisis of community.
The only reason the nationalist elements are rising is because those that control the press (the same people that have caused these crises) are quite keen for the gullible to point fingers at 'the other' instead of a the actual architects of the mess this world is becoming.
Don't let the narrative hamper your ability to critically think. 80% of the stuff in the 'news' all over the world is bullshit and a lie can go around the world before the truth has put its shoes on.
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I agree with much of what you say, definitely, although I disagree with you on the no go zones, and that unchecked immigration is not part of the problem. Even Merkel admitted recently that they exist, after denying it continually. Also, do the mainstream publications not generally fight against nationalism? That's been my impression. Also, I have relatives in Britain and they would all disagree strongly with your statement. I can't comment on Spain.
I fully agree with you that hidden hands are doing all SORTS of stuff and are absolutely responsible for the mess we are in. Unchecked immigration seems to be one of the tools they are using.
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Can you please give me one specific 'no-go zone'? Last I checked the only ones were like Great Yarmouth or Skegness and those are 'no go zones' for anyone that has brown skin or a foreign accent if you don't want abuse hurled at you.
As for mainstream media fighting nationalism...
As for mass migration.... can you tell me the percentage of the population that is foreign in countries in the EU? And what would you consider 'mass' migration in terms of numbers and proportions of the population?
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Are you saying that there are NO regions in europe experiencing ANY major crime problems due to migration?
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I am asking you to give me ONE 'no-go zone' in the whole of Europe and what is your understanding and knowledge of 'mass migration'. We can't have a debate if I do not know what your perceptions and understanding is of the issue.
It would not be helpful if I responded to you by saying "are you saying that there are no regions in Europe experiencing any major crime problems due to austerity?"
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Replace "no go zone" with "areas that are plagued with immigrant crime." Does that make it easier? I want you to at least admit that migrant crime is an issue before going further.
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http://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/03/11/arab-gangs-targeting-berlin-police-threats-sex-rumours-intimidate-officers/
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/03/11/paris-police-officer-says-majority-sex-attackers-metro-come-north-african-backgrounds/
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/03/01/angela-merkel-admits-that-no-go-zones-exist-in-germany.html
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/01/03/refugee-influx-into-germany-fueled-violent-crime-surge-report-finds.html
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/02/violent-crime-in-sweden-is-soaring-when-will-politicians-act/
https://www.rt.com/news/420985-ghetto-europe-radical-plans/
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/11848/france-migrant-crisis
http://freewestmedia.com/2017/02/09/second-swedish-police-officers-blows-whistle-on-migrant-crime-cover-up/
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Ok, if you consider Breitbart, Fox news, the Spectator and RT in any way reliable news sources there is no point me discussing this with you further. There is nothing I could say or any source I could put forward that you would accept. You're too far down the rabbit hole I am afraid. Have a nice day.
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