Hello!
You have been invited to the PRISM closed beta
Here are some impressions:
Conclusion
The UI and usability is awesome, great job by Shapeshift!
However, the biggest turn off, and what made me facepalm the hardest:
Creation Fee $16 (!!), Monthly Fee 1%.
Close position $5 +2,3%
It's very, very difficult to make money with this product. You'd be better off just buying your portfolio on an Exchange and put sell orders or stop-loss order up.
Or pay 0 fees and collateralize BitShares Smartcoins
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You nailed my concerns as well. This is going to be way too expensive to be anywhere near viable. Its has such a scammy appeal in my eyes. Good knowledge drop that I'm sure will help some folks that were on the fence.
No thanks, ShapeShift . . .
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The fees are so high right now because of the types of risk that ShapeShift is exposed to taking the other side to each of the contracts. As the market matures, the fees will go down.
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yep exactly, it's really looking great and the whole user experience is awesome... too bad they have to take astronomical fees for it
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This is only because of the counterparty risk that ShapeShift is exposing themselves to.
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Oorrrrr, they're being greedy. They need to compete. @changelly has them beat on conversion already by a pretty wide margin, then they come out of the gates with Prism with this fee structure? Rough.
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Well (I know the new ownership and all - still skeptical) I am not a fan of @changelly's history but competition is good. The two are also different services - ShapeShift is an API.
Changelly is welcome to offer a service like Prism with competitive fees. Let's see them do it.
I would still argue Prism's fees are reasonable given the situation.
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This kind of reads like you have some sort of vested interest? In terms of Shapeshift VS Changelly, it boils down to who does a better job and who gets that job done at the best rate. I've compared many times and have never seen ShapeShift offer me a better deal than Changelly. Changelly also will exchange any amount you throw at it, where ShapeShift will not. Out of curiosity, do you care to elaborate on this troublesome history you're alluding to?
Prism fees are very much "meh," and a bit beyond. I couldn't recommend it with a clear conscience. They're clearly trying to capitalize on the less tech savvy users and on ignorance in the space. It comes off as crooked and has a scammy feel to it in my opinion. I know that it isn't a scam, I'm just saying their business model aims to capitalize on a less-informed user base to a point that is a bit shameful.
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I've got no vested interests (don't take my word for that though, this is decentralization we are talking about) I'm a college student who is passionate about decenteralized systems.
Yes and no it boils down to who does it better. I dislike changelly because of their history with the MinerGate team who are known scammers and not very well respected in this space. For this reason, I don't mind paying a bit more in fees to support a team I am more confident in.
I can see your point of the less-informed users and I'll probably take an unpopular opinion. I think it is fine. This is the big leagues, if you are not aware of the risks and clearly stated (and on the blockchain) terms and fees, that is on you. This entire space needs more investment maturity so IMO, let the lemmings take the fall now - more educated users in the future.
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Well you say you know the owners, etc. So I'll assume that there's some underlying interest/friend bias there.
Yes and no it boils down to who has a better service?! Lol, you might want to give that sentence another read over, dude. It matters very much! You care to cite where @Changelly colludes with "scammers?" Because I've heard nothing of this and don't believe that Changelly is up to no good on any level at all. That's a pretty serious allegation to toss around about a reputable business. It sounds like you've got some serious wool over your eyes, no offense I promise.
I actually just spoke with Konstantine extensively quite a bit in person this past week at Consensus, hung out with him for several hours around the city. I picked his brain a lot and I like what I heard. He was open, honest, etc. He's a solid guy from what I perceive, and his service rules. It's hands down the best deal and best performance in its niche. You can't really argue with facts such as performance, speed, support, price, and much, much better liquidity :-/. The service is simply better, I've put them all to the test before and vetted them extensively. "Them," being Changelly, Shapeshift, and BlockTrades.
Wow, not even gonna rebuke that last paragraph, I believe that it speaks for itself . . . Not cool, imo.
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I guess they should have solved that part first before launching.
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You can't lol. The risk is inherent to the investment structure.
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Sure the fees are really high today. That is expected. The extreme counterparty risk that ShapeShift is exposed to in this platform is why those fees are so high. ShapeShift is uniquely positioned to be able to take the other sides of prism contracts; eventually either other players in the game, decenteralized or not, will be able to pick up the other sides to the contracts. Competition will bring these fees back to reality.
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If you want to learn more about the fees and Prism, check out my recent post:
https://steemit.com/ethereum/@kyle.anderson/introducing-prism-a-crypto-portfolio-platform-built-with-ethereum-how-smart-contracts-can-allow-a-token-economy-to-flourish-is
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Oh boy, those fees are crazy. I do love the layout of the platform though.
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me too!
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Thats exactly what i was thinking and you just proved it!
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Thanks for the sneak peek @ash!
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Damn that 16 dollar creation fee is steep.. :(
Thanks for the sneak peak and heads up!
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I got accepted to be a beta user/tester of Prism. For now the fees are waived. Moreover, I'm quite surprised at where you got the numbers. There is a June 1 blog on Shapeshift that is different than what your article mentions https://info.shapeshift.io/blog/2017/06/01/prism-fee-update
For Beta all the fees are waived for sure, except the 2.4% closing fee. But the monthly fees don't exist. However for the post-Beta the fees will be "market-based:" "paid by Buyers to Sellers, or Sellers to Buyers, wherever the equilibrium exists at a given point in time. That was always the long-term plan, so we’ve done away with the arbitrary 1% placeholder in the interim. "
Now here is my impression: In the long run there will be a few cryptocurrencies remaining. They will have all the features of anonymity in transactions, be limited in number of coins (so that they are not inflationary) have super fast transactions, feature smart contracts on the blockchain, and maybe have more features we don't know about yet. I think within five years we will know which the top three will be.
Another point is that the price volatility will dampen tremendously so as to make Prism no longer useful for speculating on currencies. I was at the San Diego meetup in June and the CFO mentioned that Prism will accomodate other forms of investing than currencies. I think it has to do with smart contracts. Moreover, Prism will also go on the Bitcoin blockchain so that you can use a Bitcoin wallet to invest in a Prism.
My original reason of getting into cryptocurrency is to get away from fiat currency and the fractional reserve system. Not really to make a profit on coin appreciation but I guess I finally got caught up. I think the average annual gain of mature cryptocurrencies will be close to 4%.
For me, it's too early to say if I will be in this long term. It depends on what the "market rates" of fees will be.
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