Have you ever had a conversation with someone and no matter how plain and clear your points might be the other person simply doesn't seem to recognize them? They seem incapable of accepting even basic facts that can be objectively verified?
Or even worse, they position themselves as the one with superior ability?
Have you ever had such an experience and questioned your own position even when you know it's plainly obvious or well-researched?
Well, if this sounds familiar to you, you might have been witness to what's known as the Dunning–Kruger effect.
Dunning–Kruger Effect
In the field of psychology, the Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias wherein people of low ability have illusory superiority, mistakenly assessing their cognitive ability as greater than it is. The cognitive bias of illusory superiority derives from the metacognitive inability of low-ability persons to recognize their own ineptitude; without the self-awareness of metacognition, low-ability people cannot objectively evaluate their actual competence or incompetence
The psychological phenomenon of illusory superiority was identified as a form of cognitive bias in Kruger and Dunning's 1999 study "Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments". The identification derived from the cognitive bias evident in the criminal case of McArthur Wheeler, who robbed banks with his face covered with lemon juice, which he believed would make it invisible to the surveillance cameras. This belief was based on his misunderstanding of the chemical properties of lemon juice as an invisible ink.
This phenomenon explains the phenomenon of people of lower ability and intelligence thinking they are actually smarter and more skilled that people of higher ability and intelligence, even when the facts prove that is not the case.
The perfect example on Twitter
I sometimes go to Donald Trump's Twitter page in the same way that Jane Goodall went into the jungle to study the behavior of gorillas.
The comments that Trump's account gets are astonishing: there are bots from the Left and Right, there are trolls galore, there are brainwashed Trump supporters, there are hysterical social justice warriors, there are generally diluted people on both sides of the polarized political system.
Oftentimes, I go there to find examples of psychological phenomenons and then write about them here. I think it's helpful to be able to recognize and identify these sorts of things: it helps me personally to be able to have a more transcendent view, and I hope it will help others to learn about what people around them might be doing so they can better manage challenging situations themselves.
Well, in this case, the person was a pure case study for the Dunning–Kruger effect.
The case
I saw a reply by Rightwing political analyst and author, Mark Dice. Mark often comments on Trump's tweets, and they always create a storm of cognitive dissonance, so I checked the replies to see if I could find something interesting.
And I was not disappointed, because I saw this post.
Wow!
What a mouthful.
The post is quite clearly incoherent and has such bad grammar that it's indecipherable. But I'll try my best to decipher it.
- He's calling someone else dumb.
- He, uh... damn, I really can't say. Even if the grammatical structure of the second part was sound, I doubt the subject could be identified.
- I think this part is supposed to be 3 sentences, but it sounds like his subject is some sort of deception he calls "the great white hype".
I concluded that the post was the definition of irony: the expression of one's meaning by using language that normally signifies the opposite. In other words: he's making fun of someone's intelligence by writing an incoherent post. So I replied.
This was just a simple statement of fact. I suppose, considering the hostile environment of Twitter, that it could be interpreted as an insult, but that wasn't my intention.
So, after reading that you are probably wondering what "intelligents" means. Well, I looked it up: intelligents is the French masculine plural of "intelligent". We can't assume that's the word he intended to use because even if he was using the French word for "intelligences", it wouldn't make sense.
He meant to say intelligence but he misspelled it. Which, again, is ironic.
The rest of the post is a CLEAR AND CUT case of Dunning–Kruger effect. He is claiming to be intellectually superior to me despite the fact that he hasn't demonstrated that he can even form a coherent statement and the fact that I am able to understand the concept of irony and he, apparently, is not.
I decided to give the benefit of the doubt and check weather or not he actually does understand the irony of his post and is simply being confrontational because it's twitter. So I replied:
Again, I'm really not trying to say anything bad about the guy. At this point I've become highly skeptical that the two of us would be able to hold a substantive conversation -- more than anything, I'm just curious if he actually understands the concept of irony.
He gave me two replies for the price of one!
Reply 1
and reply 2
Reply 1: again, he is claiming that he has a greater grasp of English than I do. FASCINATING! I've seen the Dunning–Kruger effect before, but never this clearly demonstrated.
And the comparison of my IQ to Trump's is hilarious because I'm SURE my IQ is MUCH LOWER than Trump's! According to this article:
However Mr Trump was a student at Wharton when it was possible to derive an accurate IQ core from known SAT scores. Given the usual requirements for admission to a top school like Wharton, I estimate that Mr. Trump has a 156 IQ at the minimum.
Even Snopes, who rejected the number from the article above, puts his IQ at around 145 and 149:
According to PrepScholar.com, Wharton’s SAT requirements are currently set at 1500. This roughly translates to an IQ score between 145 and 149, not 156.
An IQ score of 145 would put me in the top 0.1% of people on the planet!
Around 2% of the population has an IQ greater than 130 which is ‘gifted’ intelligence. This is an IQ of 2 standard deviations from the average IQ. This is Mensa standard – the IQ score on a valid, standardized IQ test required to become a member of Mensa.
WHAT IS AN IQ SCORE? WHAT DOES MY IQ SCORE MEAN?
Reply 2, again, is nonsensical. He's saying things with zero context, and using pop culture sayings incorrectly -- it's "stupid is as stupid does", which, again, demonstrates an astonishing lack of self-awareness and self-assessment.
I eventually replied with this, because it was honestly how I felt.
What do you think?
I want to make it clear that I am not trying to insult this guy. I believe my behavior has been very objective and analytical.
The Dunning–Kruger effect is a fascinating phenomenon, as it explains so much of our current society. I believe that incidents like this are worthy of being disseminated and studied so that we may have better clarity of communication.
The fact is, if you are on one end of a conversation where the Dunning–Kruger effect is active, it's going to be a waste of time for you. So, since I was on that end of the conversation, I decided to make something worthwhile out of it!
Tell me what you think in the comments below.
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Terrific post! I find this occurring more and more in my daily encounters. This may be because I have recently increased my participation in engaging in these types of conversations or it may be that society has been increasingly divided by design. And there is little appetite to keep an open mind and seek common ground. Either you are right or left and there is no room or admiration for center or reason.
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It's gonna get worse, believe me. Kids are already starting to get used to short explanations and quick reviews by reading social network posts and watching videos, soon they're gonna believe they can form opinions without even knowing anything about a subject.
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Astute observation.
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What do you think? He was actually of high IQ (145>) but was trolling for reaction like "you're an idiot " instead he was confronted with someone approaching his statement from a position of ambivalence and he attempted to troll you by those clever deflections from your statement clarifying that irony is what irony does, and he was trolling actually for a negative emotional reaction the whole time because his objective, despite High IQ was motivated by his salary?
I'm asking rhetorically and strictly calling him an imbecilic dumbass or stoopid^2.
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He's IQ 1,000,000.
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I saw this so much before I disconnected from cable/most social media. I believe some of this is being done on purpose to make outsiders seeing this believe the other side is more ignorant than they are. I am sure there is a lot of it that is real, but seems logical to assume some of it is misdirection. If your enemy won't behave a certain way, then some may decide to pretend to be the enemy so they can make others believe they are seeing the enemy behave a certain way.
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Intelligent people suppose an intelligent intent. It's more likely than not that people are doing this of their own accord. Could be a byproduct of greater brainwashing/dumbing down... which is probably what you meant lol
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I think you nailed it remarkably well and agree with your assessment on that particular person.
Yes, I have seen many examples of the Dunning–Kruger and one of the main reasons why I avoid face book...
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Social media can facilitate this sort of thing, for sure. It's one of the few things out there that actually cares about people's opinions.
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This is very informative! Thank you!
I have experienced this multiple times at work.
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lol
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Out on the streets we call the D-K effect: FOS! Fascinating response by Mr. King. It's so bad it makes one wonder if he was doing it on purpose. Maybe a liberal trying to act like a dumb Trump supporter just to diminish the view we have of some of his supporters. I thought you did well to not engage in name calling. However, I am of the opinion that our words carry our energies. I suspect he felt that. As for Trumps IQ...he is an extremely inquisitive individual with an above normal capacity to recall data and information. That gives him the appearance of high intelligence. I mean he even believes it. However, his intelligence is overpowered by his need to be Top Dog, and recognized as such. He creates his own fantasy world. I am not attacking him at all, just indicating what he is, or at least what I am of the opinion, he is. Blessings. Enjoyed the post.
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Ever met someone so stupid they couldn't even tell they were stupid?
The Dunning-Kruger is a nice way of saying that. Makes me want to look up the person that inspired the name for the effect....
.....Minimal research later - it wasn't named for a "patient" like diseases but for the researchers. I am slightly disappointed.
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Sorry, for writing not about the topic of this post...but I just found your video
trying to figure out what minds.com is... (I googled minds.com vs. steemit - to make this easy for me :D )
I know, that you recorded this video a long time ago, you have been very positive about minds.com, but when I checked your account there, I have noticed, that you didn't posted much since last year.
I am curious why you stopped posting there?
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I guess Minds simply lost my interest.
It's a fine platform, but there's something about it I simply don't like as much as others.
I'd rather post on Steemit or Twitter, to be honest. Facebook is an occasional check (I basically just post memes there). And I just don't have a use for Minds. I don't make much content for YouTube these days, either.
The Steemit platforms have simply taken hold of my interests. If I was going to post videos, I'd probably do it on DTube exclusively. There's just better discovery for me here and WAY better monetization.
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Great article.
There are many people who have this effect, and really I would say it is a serious cognitive problem, because if you do not recognize your defects (because you do not see them) then your information processing is not good.
It is one thing to have a good self concept and another is to have the inability to recognize your shortcomings.
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I think you are a good Psychologist. You share many interesting and informative things. I have Curiosity about this...
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Hey... I see you responded to my first tag, there. That's kind of a bot move, you know?
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sorry, i don't know. I delete my comment now
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... what?
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