RE: Christmas versus Politics

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Christmas versus Politics

in ramblerant •  5 years ago  (edited)

You do realize corn subsidies exist and unhealthy food is often the cheapest, right?

C'mon, dude. Don't be an idiot. Blaming poor people is disgusting.

You've never had to struggle, and it shows. You don't even know what food at a supermarket costs. It's cringe.

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Please quote me where I blamed or even implied blame on poor people because I didn't. In fact, what I said that most directly related to the subject was "Hard work doesn't guarantee wealth but it is usually a prerequisite for obtaining or keeping it." Emphasis added. You know what's disgusting and cringeworthy? Straw men arguments, ad hominem attacks, putting words into peoples' mouth and piss poor assumptions about people you know nothing about. I don't know what food at a supermarket costs? I shop at one every week so how would I not know? WTF do you know about me? Don't answer, that's rhetorical and the answer is clear. Jack shit. You don't have the slightest clue what my struggles have been and I wouldn't wish them on anyone. Moreover, it's also clear you don't even read what I type because you are responding to things I haven't said or even implied.

Subsidies? I'm 100% on board with eliminating all subsidies of all kinds whether it be corn, soybean, wind, solar, oil, coal or whatever. Not the government's job as far as I'm concerned. It's much better to eliminate subsidies as a problem than to try to work around these "solutions" with other government "solutions".

Unhealthy food the cheapest? Not generally true. Yes, if you are talking about prepared food then it is sometimes true. A McDonald's cheeseburger is far cheaper than an alternative at a restaurant that has healthy food for instance. But then pound for pound a roast chicken from a supermarket is much cheaper and healthier. Many fresh fruits and vegetables are also relatively cheap. Do you want me to give you some supermarket prices from the supermarket you say I never go to? Bananas, 69 cents/lb, sweet potatoes, 89 cents/lb, Zucchini and yellow squash, 99 cents/lb, 1.5 lb bag of cauliflower or broccoli, $2.50 (on sale this week), red grapes $2.49/lb...and so on. Things like whole wheat pasta, rice, and bread are also relatively inexpensive. You want beef, bacon or mangoes? Yeah, that stuff is quite a bit more expensive. But you don't need those to eat healthy. And these prices are at Publix where I usually go which tends to be a little more expensive than say a Wal-Mart or the farmers' market at our local flea market (which are farther from me and in the case of the flea market not open when I usually shop). Using coupons and/or the bogo deals at Publix gets you pretty close to Wal-Mart prices though. There are other alternative stores which often have even cheaper prices on fresh fruits and vegetables and other stuff (Aldi and Bravo come to mind but that's just what I have available locally).

A U.K. story but applicable in the U.S. as well:

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/features/healthy-eating-cheap-cost-unhealthy-food-obesity-diabetes-poverty-a8535701.html

Bottom line from that story? You can eat a reasonably healthy meal for less than $1.

If you don't have any money then you can't buy anything but for an individual to eat healthy it is not generally more expensive than eating crap. Yeah, a pack of ramen noodles is cheap but you are MUCH better off eating the equivalent value in some of the foods I mentioned above.

In Florida, WIC provides up to $200/person/month for those in need for food. I'm not going to say it is easy but if you can get to a grocery store and are willing and able to prepare your food, you can certainly eat healthy enough to not suffer from malnutrition for that amount. Again, the problem is not availability of food, it's the willingness/ability/knowledge/time for those in need to obtain and prepare it or the logistics of getting it done for them. And one more time for emphasis, malnutrition is not just a problem with the poor, it is also a problem for others (who are NOT poor...just trying to clarify here so you don't twist this into an accusation of me blaming the poor again) who make poor nutrition choices for convenience or other reasons.