See! This is why I and others stopped posting on Steem!

chekohler (70) · 5 years ago

I just use steemit as a journal for my thoughts and don’t think much of it I do get the odd reward here and there but I’m never going to be big! I’m not party of any communities I just sort of banter and hopefully some people reach out! Was never about the rewards for me, lol that’s what my BTC and other alts are for

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dickturpin (59) · 5 years ago

You're probably right and I admire you for that attitude. @steevc invited me to join because back in the day I was pretty prolific with my output. I too started out with "Well, I'm posting stuff all the time so..." the problem is when you start focusing solely on Steemit for your content your personal websites (I have a few) start to suffer from lack of content. Now that's fine if you're getting something in return for Putting all your eggs in one basket sadly, I don't feel I'm getting a good enough return on ignoring my other commitments. If that changed I'd stop whining. LOL

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steevc (73) · 5 years ago

We can all spread ourselves a bit thin with all the social media options. I pretty much gave up on my own blogs and decided to go with Steem. I lose some audience, but gain others. I don't have time to post on many places. I do the odd tweet and FB post. If you have a good audience elsewhere then you need to look after them. It's all a compromise. Of course they could all join Steem :) I will happily create accounts for people, but I can understand if people are even more wary of it right now.

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dickturpin (59) · 5 years ago

They don't want to join Steemit, they don't get rewarded enough. LOL
#imjokingffs

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steevc (73) · 5 years ago

It's a chicken/egg situation. Seriously I know other people who are really not sure about Steem for various reasons. There are dodgy people here, but that's what you get when there are no rules. We can have freedom or control. The current situation has exposed a weakness that some had warned about. As I said before, nothing is perfect. Meanwhile open source projects fight wars over wallpaper colours and button positions :)

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dickturpin (59) · 5 years ago

Oh god yeah. FOSS is full of Drama Queens who almost see 'getting offended' as some sort of moral badge.

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robertandrew (67) · 5 years ago (edited)

You're right @dickturbin. It's a tough pill to swallow. Especially putting your heart and soul in a post only to get rewarded just pennies.

But as @bozz alluded to sometimes it's who you know. I think that sounds cliche but it's true. And it is what it is.

I know I have felt your frustration many times. My posts are hit or miss and it's god awful frustrating sometimes :(

Resteemed and Followed

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dickturpin (59) · 5 years ago

I'd love to be proved wrong but three years down the line with 2090 posts under my belt a Rep that's only 58 (I've seen people leap into the '70s after just a few months) and $19 in my account I have to say I feel justified in bitching like a four-year-old. LOL

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robertandrew (67) · 5 years ago (edited)

@dickturpin can I ask you something...how much have you commented on other Steemians' Blogs. Alot ?? Moderately ?? Not much at all ?? Because a rep of 58 just does not make sense with your credentials and the years you have put in here. It should at least be 65 or more. Something does not add up. That's the main way I gained a Rep and some Upvotes from bigger peeps is by a lot of good, quality commenting

EDIT : Okay I checked Steemworld and I think this could possibly be your answer :
@dickturpin = 1,544 Comments
@bozz = 14,299 Comments
@robertandrew = 8,251 Comments
@steevc = 35,029 Comments

Maybe I could be wrong. But I can tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt an abundance of good, quality Commenting on other steemians' blogs has helped me tremendously in gaining traction on this platform. I bet @bozz and @steevc would agree

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dickturpin (59) · 5 years ago

I think I'd need to be unemployed to spend that amount of time commenting on that amount of content. I tend to comment on good quality stuff rather than just commenting for the sake of it. I also do a hell of a lot of resteems lots of times without even making a comment so I wouldn't exactly say I am or was a bad community member? Maybe you're right. As per usual, it's all my fault? At least, that's what the wife tells me most days. LOL

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bozz (70) · 5 years ago

Don't we all think our content is top notch though? :) I am kidding of course. I am right there with you. It really sucks when you dump your whole being into something and it gets hardly any recognition. It all comes down to getting the right people to follow you I guess. In the end it is always about who you know. It's too bad more of us consistent creators can't get the love we deserve.

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dickturpin (59) · 5 years ago

I agree although if something is not very good I'm happy to acknowledge that. If it is really bad I won't even post it which is why I never posted that often.

See that statement "It all comes down to getting the right people to follow you I guess" makes my eyes narrow. It shouldn't be like that, that's how cliques are formed which worryingly, on the surface, looks like the situation with all these witnesses clamouring for votes. Also, "What have the ~~Romans~~ Witnesses ever done for us?" sure they may do stunning work maintaining the network but what about some poor sod (Apologies for the swearword) who is on 38 Rep and $12.50 to his or her name? What are they witnessing for them? From what I hear they're all too busy upvoting each other and telling themselves what a good job they're doing.

I suspect I'm going to be misunderstood like I am in the FOSS community. I like Steem, Steemit, that thing that gives you money for posting. It should be a brilliant idea, it should have people flocking to it in droves, the problem is, who wants to put in 8 or more hours a day every day for $2.00 and all the ignoring you can handle? LOL

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bozz (70) · 5 years ago

I don't disagree with you. It is true, as much as getting the right people to follow you shouldn't matter, we all know it does. At least those of us who have been around here for a while. Just when I think I have made a pretty good name for myself in this place and I think that I at least have name recognition among most of the community something happens that leads me to question that. I guess my thing is, if those who abuse and spam the platform can so easily gain notoriety, why is it so difficult for those who are actually involved (growing their stake and putting out at least four quality posts a week)?

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dickturpin (59) · 5 years ago

You are a genius! What a solid point you make.
Ping: @steevc

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davedickeyyall (73) · 5 years ago

You by chance got a link to that Dtube video of the donkey farting s rainbow? Enquiring minds wanna know.

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dickturpin (59) · 5 years ago

LOL

Mind you, it would have been even funnier if you tagged it "Just asking for a friend."

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steevc (73) · 5 years ago

Pete, me old mukka, there is a finite rewards pool, so we need some reasonable way to distribute it. You are actually making more than many. You have nearly 2000 followers, but most are probably inactive. @papa-pepper has been part of the community for a long time and has 22k followers who are likely to include some big accounts who still support him.

If everyone's vote was worth the same them we would all create dozens of sock puppets to vote is up. Instead those who have either invested money or earned a lot of Steem get more influence.

It was actually worse in the past as there was a non-linear relationship between stake and influence.

I think you are being disingenuous (my word of the week) to the witnesses. Those I've met care about making Steem a viable platform for all. They are not getting rich off it. Compare Steem earnings with what top YouTubers make. Mind you, anyone can earn something here. In the early days it was a little crazy with some making thousands per post whilst I made cents. They adjusted the rules to get better distribution.

I mostly only make a couple of bucks per post and I've been really active. There are cliques who support each other and people vote strategically to maximise their curation rewards. No system is perfect. At least there is less buying of votes these days.

Posting about the unfairness of rewards is not likely to get you much, but you don't have to be a total sycophant either.

If Steem did get to millions of users then we might see some celebrities mashing big bucks whilst the rest of us scrabble for breadcrumbs, but if the price is went up that might still be worthwhile. The fact is that billions use social media for zero financial reward and they could earn here. They have that option. That is part of why I have fought to make Steem better.

Is my comment longer than your post?

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dickturpin (59) · 5 years ago

Yeah, you make some fair points. I agree someone would be insane to upvote a ranting post, oh wait they do don't they when it suits them. LOL

I disagree with you on the levels of rewards I've received over the years. When I look at what some are earning for total crap it honestly makes me angry (See Angry Panda) I see people on lower Rep than me earning well over the $10 mark on a regular basis so for that reason I have to disagree.

Maybe I should post half-naked pictures of my fantastic life reviewing hotels that have invited me to stay all expenses paid that I already posted on Instagram, Youtube et al and cynically overlay some steemit logos on said pictures to make it look like original content then maybe I too would be in the $300 - $400 range?

You know, when I post on Mastodon or Twitter I do it for love and my followers. True I don't get financially paid there but I do get some love there. On Steemit the only 'Love' I feel I get after 3 years is you and about four others. Pretty crap if you ask me. LOL

I love the fact you can post 72 paragraphs in a comment. Gives you a chance to truly explain yourself 140 or 500 character limitation has got me into so much trouble over the years. LOL

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steevc (73) · 5 years ago

I can can fully agree that rewards often do not seem fair, but life tends to be like that and capitalism encourages it. Those with the power get to choose how they use it and that may be based off what they think adds value to Steem or just who their mates are. If only a few people are seeing your posts then can they be said to have much value? I talk to loads of people and get more comments, but still don't make that much more. As I said, it's a finite pool and so we can't all make loads. Others may live a me met that you think is crap. Just see what makes money on Instagram or YouTube. Part of why I build up my sp is so I can get bigger rewards to what I think deserves it.

I do use Steem to engage with people I like and respect. What I make does not really justify the time I spend on it, but it's better than nothing and I'm having fun.

You should come to Steemcampuk in Leicester next month. You could reach a few more people there. I think we need all angles on Steem.

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dickturpin (59) · 5 years ago

I clearly need an Angel mate. 🙏

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edb (59) · 5 years ago

Welcome back! How much did you earn from Twitter?

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dickturpin (59) · 5 years ago

Everyone keeps telling me the point of Steem isn't to make money? I'm so confused. 🤣

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edb (59) · 5 years ago

Honestly, the main reason I'm here is that I've seen too many blogs disappear when they were banned or when platforms closed down. I used to host my own blog, but that was a bit lonely. Steem seems to work better than federated systems like Mastodon, although I haven't tried those. With a chance to make some money as a bonus. I spent way more than I earned here on flying to Steemfest 2 in Lisbon, but I wouldn't have met Steve otherwise.

One thing that could be improved is that resteeming should be rewarded (and voting shouldn't if you ask me). Most people probably don't even notice when you resteem them. I used to be on Tumblr, and I'm a little disappointed that reblogging isn't as popular here or on Twitter.

I actually post more often on Twitter than on Steem. Somehow, the blog post format gives me a mental block against shitposting.

Posting and replying every day seems to be rule #1 for becoming a social media influencer. It's a job. In the future, no one will be able to go on holiday for fun, because all accommodation will be booked a year in advance by Instagram models. Normal people will take a self-driving Uber to work, while a handful of streamers will race a different sports car every day. In other words, we will live vicariously through people who consume as a full-time job.

Anyway, thanks to permissionless innovation, Steem is now mainly a games platform, just like the other Steam. Valve should sue Steemit for copyright infringement.

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dickturpin (59) · 5 years ago (edited)

First off, thanks for the comprehensive, intelligent and reasoned reply.

I've written copious amounts over the years, most of it lost in the mists of time and websites being taken down. At the time I joined Steem(it) I was probably at the end of my avalanche of outpourings which were mostly related to Linux and Open Source but when @steevc pointed out "You write a lot of stuff, wouldn't it be great if you were being paid for it?" my capitalist leanings jumped at membership.

I have to say, my favourite platform was Google+ so Steem seemed like a good alternative when G+ became defunct. Initially, I was really happy with Steemit I kinda 'got it' that my rewards were low due to my "New kid on the block" status and at that stage, the money didn't bother me. After a while though, and struggling to live up to this mantra of "Quality Content" I started to see people posting incredibly immature Memes and videos and earning absolute fortunes from it. I listened to the advice from my peers and guarded my votes with an iron fist in the belief these were honours to only be bestowed on deserving people. Then, as an example, the likes of @sweetsssj came along with her titted bikini and her reviews of the Mandarin Oriental, Bangkok which the hotel paid her to do. (I'm making that specific review up by the way. I've no idea if she has actually been there?) and she started hoovering up the votes like no tomorrow. I did some checks (Back then) and found she was huge on other Social Media platforms especially in China and it was clear she just saw Steem as yet another revenue stream for herself. As it turns out, I was right about that bitch (Yep Bitch) Just found this. Seems like Ned was doing dirty tricks back in 2017?

Sorry about that got my hackles up again. I'm still disenchanted with Steem I think too many people view it with rose-tinted glasses and the only ones that are truly happy are the ones pulling $60 to $70 a post let alone the ones in the hundreds and therein lies the problem (With me) at one point my account was worth $3000 odd and I naively thought "Hmm, there might be something to this getting paid for writing?" but as I've bitched boringly countless times I barely earn $5.00 my rep is poor and I've invested as much time a fully employed person can in the last three odd years. For me, and many others, the argument of "How much did you get paid for posting on Mastodon Pete?" doesn't hold any water. I'd far rather be popular and not get paid than work my guts out typing out an eight paragraph post for $1.27 and watch some arse-wipe post a Dtube video, I'll just repeat that, post a video! and get paid $150.00 for it. I work full time I can't spend all day every day trawling for other posts to upvote and comment on so my 'engagement' will always be based on Quality not Quantity

Let's not kid ourselves. It's all about the money otherwise we'd all be on MeWe or some other shiteposting site. #hugs

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steevc (73) · 5 years ago

I miss G+ too, but Steem gives me a good mix of content. I'm resigned to certain pestle not being here for now.

The rewards thing really is generally about who you know, but that could change if it scales up and they get distributed across more people. What we earn will depend on what value the markets put on Steem. I think my top earning post may have been $200, but Steem was probably $4 then. What I have made has paid for a few nice things, but I'm not planning to cash out for now. I'm investing time in trying to build communities that add value. That may pay off for me eventually, but I try to make the process fun anyway.

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