The old way
In the old way of doing things. When we would have a discussion regarding something like money. I felt I was the one to listen. @wwf ran the house. I didn't know how to do much. I didn't have a job most of the time as I was raising our children. When I did have a job I made considerably less than he did. I was the good little house wife and listened to my husband. I was afraid to do things at times. When he would give me the silent treatment, I would spend hours, sometimes days wondering what I did wrong.
Next I would have gone to a friend or family member and had a rant that would have gone something like this:
I have every right to spend the money. Why is he holding he money. Doesn't he trust me. Why should I have to show him all my receipts. This tells me that there is no trust on his part. I earn the money too, I should have the right to spend it the way I want. I thought we were in this together, sometimes I wonder if he even loves me.
Please note, these are things I would have said over various times in the first part of our marriage. In the end I never really felt like a contributing member of our relationship.
One of the reason why we split up was because I wanted a car. I wanted be able to get around the city without having to ask for a ride or take a bus. We had two children at this time so taking the bus everywhere was difficult.
The New Way
Money was always an issue for us. When we got back together we discussed this issue in great length. We spent hours hashing out how we would deal with this in our new relationship.
Ground rules
When we sit down and discuss managing money there are ground rules for our discussion. Only one person can talk at a time. There are no interruptions. Sometimes this is hard for me. I spend time with my finger on my lips to remind me it is not my turn. @wwf requested years ago that there be no yelling during our discussions. I have learned to not yell. This was difficult because I come from a family who raises their voices as well as my mother is half deaf. Learning to make my voice quiet was quite a challenge. We always finish the discussion and when we walk away it is a done deal. We work hard on forgiveness and letting go of the issue. If it is brought up again it is because we are not done and we need to work out more. Both parties walk away knowing that it will not be brought up again in another discussion.
Now I don't have a problem confronting @wwf with questions and concerns. Questions like:
Who is going to manage the money, who's bank account is it going to go into.
There are times when I will purposefully challenge him. I find I am too easy going so I need to practice my challenging skills. I don't do it maliciously, it is usually done when I think I don't need to say anything and that is usually a time when I do need to say something. These are the times when I challenge him. It also challenges me to keep on the ball and not be so passive.
We have learned that we each speak a different language. What I mean by this is we speak the same words but they mean different things to him than to me. My job in the discussion is to clarify what I am saying so that he can understand me. In a discussion I also use "I" statements like I am responsible.
I do have to admit that it take great efforts for me to keep my independence within the relationship even to this day. I find that I will go into my shell and allow @wwf to take over. This is something that we are both consciously working on to not have happen. We both work to be vigilant and persistent.
We are very different people now that we were before. We are forever changing which helps us within our relationship but we have also made many big changes so that we can have an interdependent relationship.
@wwf also wrote a blog on the same issue, and you can read his side of the story here:
https://steemit.com/reconcilingrelationships/@wwf/he-said-she-said-managing-money
Please remember to visit his blog too, as people will be making comments there as well. This is only half the story, the other half is on his blog. It is important you read his side too.
Happy reading!
this difference is a natural thing and it can be beautiful and a source of happiness...if we know how to live with this difference....
You did a great job when you could do it without raising your voice... My wife also raises her voice a lot,
I don't like it, but I understand that because she lived in a very big family...
One of our most important terms of discussion is: to focus on the positive side of words
For money: In our society you cannot take your wife's money...
the man is responsible for the sources of money... the woman is responsible for the house...
For me, I disagree with our society thinking...
My wife doesn't work... I don't consider money is my own... and she too.
that made us no different about the money too much...
thank you @carey-page
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Thank you for such a great comment. You and your wife are really ahead of the game. It is so wonderful to see that a couple can think outside of what society teaches us.
As for raising my voice, yes it was hard but well worth it. @wwf was a great help.
Now in life we use so little money it is so easy to have the conversations. It has to go where it has to go and that is the end of discussion. In some respects it is very freeing to not have loads of money. Don't get me wrong some extra would be nice. haha
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Money in a relationship is always the most difficult to deal with. Many couples go into a marriage with no idea, they just wing it. And that is how the trouble starts. My husband and I started our money talks long before we were married. It didn't stop all arguments but it helped to have that foundation there.
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That was so smart to have some of the talking out of the way. There are always some quirks to work out as the relationship develops.
When @wwf and I started the second part of our marriage. We talked about everything before I would engage on a relationship level.
Thanks for sharing!
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It is important to have that clear path out first. It gets too muddied if we let it lie and fester.
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Yes so true. You are wise.
Thanks
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I loved this idea you guys had! (This is Breanne I visited you with my sister and hubby last summer briefly :)
I am in the early stages of a relationship I guess compared to you guys, I stay at home raising our two kids, Rob's story really makes me grateful to have a hubby that has no problem handing over the dough lol! But it is a give and take situation. we live in a very sustainable way I rarely need to go to the store and plan to be completely independent of it as the kids grow and are more helpful. Thanks for sharing!
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I remember you coming for a visit. Hope you are well. The kids must be growing up quite well.
It is so great that you are in the position where you are not needing to go the store for many items. It really does take the stress off of things. It really is a give and take. If people can learn these things it sure would make relationships easier.
Thanks for the comment.
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Its so important to talk it out in a reasonable way with each other in a relationship, for everything really, but money especially because it can be a source of stress. I often find that me and @offgridninja have totally different definitions for things, and different past experiences.
For some reason we naturally are pretty quiet, so its not hard to have a conversation and not a yelling match. However, sometimes we both get moody and do the silent treatment thing.
When that happens I know something is wrong but often doubt myself and wonder what the issue is or even if there IS an issue or am I just imagining it? When we talk it out though I find my intuition is pretty much always on point, so I have learnt to trust it. I made it clear that we gotta talk about it rather then just guessing about what each other are thinking because thats not healthy at all. So far, its working pretty well! Its really rewarding to work through things and come out the other side together, stronger and more clear on boundaries and stuff. The feeling of it is pretty wonderful.
Thanks for sharing your story! Its awesome to see honesty and transparency in the world. I sure hope that it will become a regular and easy thing for people to do all over, for all sorts of topics!
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Thank you for your comment. I really think that most people don't even realize that there are different languages even though the words are the same. Clarification is so important. Good you and your partner have learned that you have different definitions for things.
Moody can create a unique situation. It is good that in the silent treatment situations you are aware that maybe there is some talking that needs to happen. Yay for intuition.
I agree with you that it would be a great place if the world was more honest and transparent. I feel this will take some time yet. We can dream though.
Thanks again
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I suppose that dream is closer and closer the more we do it ourselves and show others through our example how awesome it is haha, you guys are trail blazing that path with your open and honest conversations on here!
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I really hope you are right about the dream being closer. Our would would be a very different place.
Thanks for such kind words.
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This why I love you both so much. You set a fantastic example of the give and take of a marriage relationship. I have seen you in some down times and many up times. Your balanced way of viewing the issues and your calm spirits go a long way to creating the dynamic and ever-changing relationship that you have.
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Thank you so much. We do try to have a balanced view. A relationship is always changing and it is exciting and hard work to keep up. It is also very rewarding.
Thanks we love you so much. I am happy to be on this journey with you as such a good friend. Thanks so much for your support. Hugs!!
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Women and men have different perspective on money management. Women want expensive things and men want investments.
You (@wwf and @carey-page) have found a way which suits both of you.
I wish you best of wishes for your finance management.
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Thank you. I think you are over generalizing your comments about what men and women want. Each individual has different needs, desires and tastes. So please don't over generalize as your statement is not factual or accurate and can cause communication issues when discussing topics like this with a large group of people. I can name many men and women who feel the opposite of what you stated. So rather than pigeon holing people into a paradigm, I think we should leave it open so that people can make their own determination on what their own perspectives are on money. Peace to you.
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We have found a way to compromise. I learned the difference between needs and wants. This took some time. Now I see "stuff" as tools and they don't have meaning other than that. We can't take any of the stuff we accumulate with us when we die.
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Money is a tough topic to cover and it seems you two have found a way or at least are committed to making it work. Do you have follow any money management programs like Dave Ramsey to help make financial decisions?
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No we have not taken any of those types of courses. Many many years ago I learned how to pay bills effectively to get out of debt.
Thank you for your comment.
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You are a strong and patient woman! I appreciate you and @wwf writing this dual column. It is helping me have more perspective on my evolving relationship work and seeing the perspective of the other side. It took me a long time and a lot of pain to realize that I am not the center of the world in my relationships. I guess growing up doesn't all happen at once. Thanks for sharing this story from your perspective - good job in making sure your voice is heard.. it takes a lot of effort, I know, from both sides. You are proof it is worth it!
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Thank you very much for your kind words.
@wwf and I feel it is important to share our story so that hopefully others can learn from it. Each relationship is always evolving. Sometimes it is hard to realize that we might not be the center. Just knowing things like that state that you are growing and changing. Realizing this is a great thing because then you can go with the flow consciously. Well done my friend!
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Oh how I love the example that you two have set. I strive to some day have a relationship with that level of commitment. <3 I am so grateful for the sharing that you have both done on the topic of your first marriage and your current marriage :)
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Thanks so much. It does take quite a bit of work. I think at times I forget how much time an effort we actually put into it. Now it just seems like what we do. Writing these posts together reminds me what we have done over the years.
You are such a loving and caring woman. I know you will get there someday with a relationship. Take care my friend.
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Thank you for sharing your side if the story. My husband and I got married when we were 19, for fun! And we've been though so much over the years, break ups and make ups, and we have two kids and a home now. We've grown up into different people, but we still value eachother and want to make this work.
I look forward to more posts from you two.
It's so nice to hear of a struggling relationship turning into one so beautiful <3
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Thank you for sharing part of your story. It is amazing what we do when we are young. We go through so many things over the years.
We are forever changing, however all the stuff that a couple goes through changes each person.
I hope it works with the two of you. Perseverance is a key to a relationships.
Thank you for your comments.
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