Who Needs Steemit?

giftedgaia (63) · 8 years ago (edited)

Who needs Steemit?
-Anyone who wants protection from censorship via the blockchain
-Anyone who wishes to share original content (music, photography, writings, etc) and get paid for it
-Anyone who wishes to affiliate with a higher 'class' of community members than found on other social media sites (in my opinion)
-Anyone who is tired of the corporate politics of reddit, bookface, etc.
-Anyone who wants to read a @beanz blog post.

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beanz (68) · 8 years ago

Haha, lucky dogs get to read my crap :P

Thanks @giftedgaia, now what's the best way to introduce them? I want to encourage people to talk about what makes somebody see steemit and say "meh" even when steemit is exactly what they need.

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giftedgaia (63) · 8 years ago (edited)

I spent 2+ hours talking about Steemit while visiting a friend last night, who is not a member. Personally I've come to the conclusion that its probably not for everyone. The person needs to be open to trying a new platform, as well as being receptive to learning how a crypto currency operates. Its certainly not a "Make a profile and start posting" experience in my opinion.

As far as exposing new people to the site - honestly aside from just noting the better quality of content/users here - I would still pitch the financial rewards as being the top selling point. Take them to the trending page and say "These aren't necessarily typical results - but most certainly possible" and go from there.

I also love bringing non-steemians into a discord server with some other fun to talk to Steemit members, and easing them into it from there.

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beanz (68) · 8 years ago

That's why I'm talking about serious content creators, not just facebookers - as I agree it's probably not for everyone. But I think it is for anyone who is already actively trying to promote themselves online and/or monetise their content.

For example I know a travel blogger and she was the first person I thought of when I saw steemit. But when I told her about it her response was "I'm skeptical of anything that pays". It's a crazy world we live in when writers are skeptical of being paid to write.

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xanoxt (61) · 8 years ago

One of the best selling points of Steemit is that is not only a way to monetize your content. It is also meshes extremely well with other platforms. Why? Blog on steemit is a huge SEO thing, without any dirty SEO tricks! So it should be synergistic if you are doing something with Youtube, Instagram, well, whatever.
Besides, as soon as the apps like SteemStagram get released, there is only one reason for the old web 2.0 sites and services... to channel users to us. :-D

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beanz (68) · 8 years ago

Yes! YouTubers would find it especially easy to monetise their content because they can just do what they always did, add the extra link here, and make way more money than they do over there.

Instagram is a tricky one because I think it's harder to view content without the accounts being linked.. It would be great if steem could just link people's instagrams accounts the way facebook does so whenever you post a photo on intagram it just automatically uploads to steemit.

But steemstagram will do that so it will just have to compete!

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rgeddes (67) · 8 years ago

Wouldnt that diminish the quality of the content? The reward pool is only so big - If I post a "Dan TDM" Minecraft Video - or if he posts it - I think its only of value if he drives his own traffic to it or creates it specifically for Steem. Unique content should be what this site considers valuable if it is to have any evergreen strategy for its content. Dupe content doesnt hurt the site but I would argue that it doesnt help?

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rgeddes (67) · 8 years ago

You hit the nail on the head with Discord.. seems like a weird migration for me (its for video games isn it) - but I have a group of people I chat with on there that are great.. If it wasn't for my connection to them - I don't think this site would be for me .. Its a love hate with this place.. I met some really cool guys from around the world.. but kissing ass to some miner (or other whale) for a vote - not in this lifetime. My buddy and I made a post-scheduler ladder.net - it has served as a good tool when you want to post but you know you need to take a healthy break ;)

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xanoxt (61) · 8 years ago

its not an easily problem to tackle when you take a look at what trends on here. Our votes dont matter in the end.. thats the rub...

If you haven't noticed, people who have a following do trend here. At least for a while. That is because people who's votes do matter like to have the value of their steem increase.

And having more people with the following to trend, and to bring their followers here is seen as beneficial to the price of Steem. Especially now in the new economics. Because some of those followers might be interested to buy some steem, and because daily active users is an important metrics to measure the success of the content centered sites.

As for the "Steem video", that doesn't sound all that complicated to make, especially if the person in question is authoring videos for their livelyhood. :)

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rgeddes (67) · 8 years ago

Lets revisit this in 6 months - I hope you are right.

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xanoxt (61) · 8 years ago

Dupe content doesnt hurt the site but I would argue that it doesnt help?

Post limit, so I am answering here.
Thing is, Steemit is a bit pervasive. One you're hooked, even if you are first creating the video on YouTube, and then post it to Steemit, the consensus mechanisms and incentives would work on altering your behaviour that profits you, the content creator and the network as a whole. People here prefer to vote for things, that make everyone's situation better in that regard.

So, to be successful in monetizing their stuff, YouTubers would have to adapt. Adding a new revenue stream usually requires adapting to it.

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rgeddes (67) · 8 years ago (edited)

Whats to stop me from putting up their stuff and monetizing it?(Besides ethics)

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xanoxt (61) · 8 years ago

Whats to stop me from putting up their stuff and monetizing it?(Besides ethics)

Steamcleaners? 8)

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rgeddes (67) · 8 years ago

LOL - Im serious.. It would be really hard to authenticate someone who was famous or whatever you want to call it.. unless they made a Steem video - which might be asking a lot? Trust me - I love the idea of seeing better stuff on here being rewarded. If the goal is to get users then you have to figure out how to excite "joe public" and reward the "rich youtuber" - its not an easily problem to tackle when you take a look at what trends on here. Our votes dont matter in the end.. thats the rub...

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ramblinmind (44) · 8 years ago

Exactly.

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sigmajin (65) · 8 years ago (edited)

But if you YouTube "Why I left BuzzFeed" you will get a series of vlogs about people who wanted to own their own content

FTR, copyright status for material posted on steem is not as cut and dried as you think it is. Steemit, or the steem blockchain or the public domain or someone does take over a significant portion of your copyright ownership when you post here. Im not sure exactly who youre giving it to, or if youre just giving it away to the public domain, but you definitely lose a significant amount of it.

You don't really own the content you post here. There is a big no remedy no right aspect that could be troublesome down the line.

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beanz (68) · 8 years ago

I might lose the right to prevent other people from using my content and that's just how the "Fair Use Act" would apply anyway. Nobody takes over my copyright ownership, it just becomes part of the public domain which potentially means I don't have copyright ownership - but that's due to the internet and copyright laws being outdated anyway.

I still own the content I posted since I got paid for it. There's just no stopping somebody else posting it and making money from it unless the copyright law were to adapt.

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sigmajin (65) · 8 years ago (edited)

I might lose the right to prevent other people from using my content and that's just how the "Fair Use Act" would apply anyway.

No its not. Partly because there's no such law as the fair use act, but also because as a concept, fair use is an exception to copyright ownership. That is to say, fair use applies to material not in the public domain. It also, generally, doesn't apply to using the whole work.

When you post your material on a site like FB or youtube, they get the copyright as long as you have it on their site (and can thus control distribution of it). But you can also take it down, at which point the copyright reverts to you.

With steem, your material is either public domain or something, but its not yours, because you can't control it.

I still own the content I posted since I got paid for it. There's just no stopping somebody else posting it and making money from it unless the copyright law were to adapt.

So you own it. But you can't stop anyone else from using it and literally everyone in the world has the same right to distribute it and get paid for doing so as you do. Under that definition of ownership, ownership really doesn't mean anything. If there's no way for me to stop anyone who wants to from driving my car, its not really my car. Youtube and FB (i think) content creators also get paid. Do they own their content too?

So look objectively at what steem offers content creators. They post their content on the steem blockchain, at which point they give up their copyright irrevocably, and totally surrender all say in how their content gets distributed. In exchange, they get paid a few dollars if they're lucky, but probably just a few cents. A few dollars or a few cents which, in your mind, they should undoubtedly feel grateful for. Because youve apparently managed to convince yourself that steem is the only game in town.

The thing that blows my mind is that the echo chamber is so deep here, 99% of posters can't even see the above is a bad deal. Theyre mystified that people aren't flocking to the platform in droves with quality content.

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personz (66) · 8 years ago

Not quite. Correct on fair use, but not on the transfer of ownership.

Facebook do not get the copyright if you post something which is your intellectual property. You grant them a non-exclusive license to use it. An exclusive license would have the same practical effects of a transfer of copyright, and you would not be able to use it elsewhere, not it's not that. This is true for a lot of the social media platforms, but not all. I'm not actually sure about it on Steemit, it's something I'm looking into actually. My understanding is close to "your material is either public domain or something" 😂 So, in the Facebook, Youtube, etc. case, they can't control distribution (this obviously implies exclusive control), they are just free to distribute it under the terms you agree to.

You certainly can't make sure that anyeon who views (i.e. downloads) your data will not copy it, and it's a big problem. Information wants to be free right? But that's not exactly fair. Again, something else I'm looking into in my recent blog posts.

I'm not sure if it's such a bad deal but it certainly might be and warrants further investigation. The echo chamber is real.

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sigmajin (65) · 8 years ago

just making it clear that content creators everywhere are hungry for steemit and don't yet know that it exists

Personally, I think youre making a lot of unwarranted assumptions that lead you to ask the wrong questions. Steemit even has a lot of trouble keeping the content creators it has, let alone bringing in new ones. imo that is not mostly a function of theyve never heard of us.

Especially since steemfest, which was apparently completely dedicated to this sort of cart-before-the-horse thinking, the refrain here seems to be that steem is so great and awesome and perfect and that as soon as everyone hears about steem, theyre going to use us to replace banks and social media and maybe even oxygen.

That is to say, we have stopped asking the question "how can we make steem appealing to X" (where x can be content creators, investors, developers anyone), and begun to start with the assumption "Steem is great and its what everyone wants, so how do we let them all know". Which is fine if its correct, but very harmful if, as i expecct, it is not.

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beanz (68) · 8 years ago

If it's not then why are you here?

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sigmajin (65) · 8 years ago (edited)

Here's something to think about. New people sign up every day. Every single day, we have more accounts than we did the day before. And yes, some of them are miner accounts or farmed accounts, but some of them are also real people. Yet almost every day, we have fewer and fewer active users and fewer posters and fewer commentators, in spite of more and more people knowing about us. 3 months ago, we had just under 3k daily posts.. Today just over 1100. These two opposing trends are enough to tell you for sure that the problem is not just that everyone is hungry for us but no one has heard of us.

I actually did lose interest in steemit for like 3 months or so, and wasn't on at all. In many ways, that was a function of those three months being a relatively busy time of year for me at work, but general dissatisfaction with the platform also played a role in it. I guess it comes down to I make time for the things that I think are important and have a lot of potential, and this wasn't one of the things i made time for. And before you chalk it up to bitterness, keep in mind that my last post was far and away my most successful (though money really never played into my motivation, the amount of payout i could get from a post here isnt particularly signifiant to me).

My role in my firm is mainly focused on dealing with new contracts, and we don't accept new contracts from thanksgiving week until new years, so ive kind of been back for the holidays out of an abundance of spare time. I don't know if i will make time to stay back once i get busy again. I have 2 different really good ideas for projects with steem, one of which I'm actually really excited about, but the rule change issue makes me a little wary

I actually think im a pretty good example of how steem isnt appealing to content creators. I was strongly considering publishing something I had previously written on steem. It was something that i take a great deal of pride in, and information that you can't really get anywhere that ive seen. I even had strong indication that there would be significant whale interest in it. One of the things that decided me in the direction of not doing so was the very low quality of content on the same subject that was already here and had high visibility. I simply wasn't willing to put something i wrote side by side with something written by "the poker tip guy". Im sure serious authors about women's issues might have felt the same way about posting side by side with whateverhername was(the really bad womens writer that stellebelle thought was a bot.)

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transhuman (60) · 8 years ago (edited)

IMHO @markrmorrisjr is a great Steemit success story. I checked out his posts from day-one which was four months ago. Like most of us, he paid his dues with $0.00 author rewards on his first Steemit blog posts, but within a month he started to gain some traction and was publishing posts at $300, $400, $500, $600 a pop. Not every post, but this level of remuneration is a big chunk of consistent money for a free lance writer. There are freelancers in the world who make a lot more, but most make less than this in my opinion.

On a more hard nosed level, his last 7 posts grossed $250+ which works out to $35+ per post. His last story ran 2000+ words and 35/2000 is very roughly $.0175 per word. I can't speak for Mark, but if I hustled, I could crank out 2000 words in a day; like a really long day. It would not be as good as his writing because he is a gifted writer, but I would guess he produced his 2000 words in 3 or 4 hours because he is a disciplined professional writer.

To sum things up, a professional freelance writer may be able to average $10 per hour on Steemit. This begs the question, so where can we get more writers of Mark's caliber?

All over the country, writers meet in groups to read and discuss their work. They each read a chapter, poem or short, short story and criticize each other's work. There are various levels of writers to be found here, from wannabe novelists hoping to break into the field to very seasoned, veteran professional writers. I am going to tell my local group about the possibilities with Steemit. If Steemers joined these writer groups and informed the members about Steemit, my guess is there would be many interested parties because writers are always looking for ways to monetize their work and @markmorrisjr's case is an excellent example.
Perhaps someone (or even Mark himself) could write press releases to the media telling the story of a freelance writer self-publishing on a new and not well known invention called a blockchain which has financial remuneration for writers and other artists built right into the Steemit blockchain system.

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beanz (68) · 8 years ago

Thank you for a well thought out answer! Absolutely we have many success stories to talk about, and people love stories especially those with a happy ending. I love that idea of meeting with writers groups! This is true, serious writers struggle to monetise their content and often have to wait until their book is published (and perhaps rush the job for that reason) before they make pay day.

Perhaps some of us could even START writers groups. We wouldn't have to mention that it's a steemit writers group. Just have the logo on the leaflets/posters and when they get talking to the writers they'll hear all about steemit - without that being the focus of the group.

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transhuman (60) · 8 years ago (edited)

I like your ideas and to take it a step further, here is a map of the Writers MeetUps and other MeetUps throughout the world: https://www.meetup.com/topics/writing/

Writers: 2,010,661 members 4,172 Meetups
Musicians: 2,031,372 members 3,855 Meetups
Artists: 2,909,703 members 4,696 Meetups
etc.

The top 10 groups (see middle of page) would be the best place to start with 100,000+ writers to pull in. We could contact their leaders, but that creates a bottleneck for information flow if the leader is not interested. Ideally, an individual should attend a meeting and address the group in person. Tell them the story and invite people to check out Steemit. What we need is motivation for someone to go to the MeetUp and speak. Perhaps, @ned would provide a "bounty" for successfully completing the mission.

For example, the presenter gives a code to those interested along with a writing assignment to submit something on Steemit. When they submit their post, they send the code along with .001 Steem to a particular account (perhaps the person who distributed the codes and did the inviting) and receive some Steem Power in return and we can track the success of the program by collecting the codes. Technically, the whole process could be administered with a smart contract on the blockchain.

Of course, there are variations of the above. What do you think so far?

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beanz (68) · 8 years ago

I love it. Challenge writers outside steemit. I don't know about volunteering Ned, I'm sure there are lots of users here who could volunteer a bounty or a prize for a challenge as it's in all of our interests to help this baby grow.

Also I think it could be better to work our way up to biggest member meetings. If we start with smaller groups, by the time we get to the bigger ones there will be many people at those meetings who can back up what we've told them and verify it as a legitimate source of revenue for writers. 10 people telling their success stories is much more powerful than one.

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transhuman (60) · 8 years ago (edited)

I agree with everything you wrote. We could develop a sales plan. Practicing on smaller groups would allow us to gather intelligence on what will and won't work. We can refine our sales pipeline to increase the effectiveness of the campaign.

One problem is that pitching Steemit is not on the MeetUps agenda. They are their to critique each others writing. You could be giving a billion dollars to writers, but that is not what they are interested in there. This is just human psychology and we need to avoid generating any hostility for any reason. I spent many years as a successful salesman and I am familiar with sales techniques.

One idea would be to present a piece of copywriting for their feedback. It would be a flyer processing (attracting) writers and artists to participate in Steemit. Since they are writers, they constitute a "focus group" in a guided discussion of our program to attract talent. If they ask if it is for real, one can respond with: "Absolutely! It is for all writers." The psychology here is that salesmen don't really "sell" anything, but people do "buy".

The proposition is spelled out in the flyer, they have analyzed it as per the procedure of the Writer MeetUp and they can take it or leave it. And importantly, it was all done according to the rules of the game, analyzing a piece of writing. The take away will be the writers' candid feedback on why the program does or does not attract them. They write their feedback on the copywriting flyer and we then use this intelligence to improve our campaign.

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beanz (68) · 8 years ago

Brilliant ideas! I love that concept of not selling, just make it open for them to buy! I believe that's a great strategy. Perhaps it doesn't need to be sneaked into their attention though. It could simply be a writers meetup - advertised on and off steemit - that brings writers from both a local area and steemit to one place. From there, nobody needs to actually pitch steemit, they can simply do what they do at these writers groups - critiquing each others work, but since some of these writers write on steemit, it would naturally just pop up in conversation. Somebody might want to talk about a post that didn't get so many upvotes, somebody might say "I remember reading that on steemit". There may not need to be any sales plan at all. Just getting these people in the same room could spark some interest, and after that, if even one writer from that group joins, they will continue spreading what they gained from steemit at any other writers groups they attend!

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johnjgeddes (75) · 8 years ago

more content creators? You gotta be kidding. That's all we have now. We need readers and viewers

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solomon-adekale (49) · 8 years ago

@johnjgeddes seems to be alluding to the chicken and egg problem content creator platforms face when starting a marketplace that is suppose to be duel sided. Patreon solved their issue by focusing in on specific creators who could easily bring their audience to their platform. And they used a semi-campaign on YouTube with their Creators to bring their audience to that platform.

SteemIt in my opinion needs to widdle down their core creator type and target them to bring their audience here in some way. Its all about priorities. A start up must always have a strategy for onboarding users. Saying our platform appeals to everyone with 10 value propositions never works. Even Facebook which is worldwide today started out with just college students. Hope this info helps.

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rgeddes (67) · 8 years ago

Facebook had an consistent organic audience and that's why it took off (invite only). People were the same age and started finding their friends from elementary school and such. It seems Steem was interesting to crypto and bloggers.. we saw communities emerge over time such as the anarchy community or the chinese, spanish, etc. The problem is - a lot of the content is low percentage - which makes this site niche. I could read an authors first book - or I could read Dickens. I think most people would rather spend the 5 hours with Dickens than with someone learning how to write (but not everyone). We all only have so many hours in our lives and there is already so much great content. That's why Reddit makes sense - point people to interesting content that was created by someone better than you. Steemit content is being labeled as "curated" - but it is a useless task. When the website's owner and some girl eat dumplings - the post trends number one and makes hundreds of dollars. What would that content be worth off the site? Do you really think "Nike" or "Coca-Cola" would come along , see that, and invest a wack of money? Why should I even know who the CEO of this site is? Mark Zuckerberg isnt out there trolling comment sections on Facebook and the only reason most people know who he is - is because his few lines of PHP changed the world - he will forever be a historic figure - I dont think thats what we are seeeing here. Is there value in it long term? Is there any evergreen search value to it? If not - whats the point? This site has always been sold as a blog for dollars platform - its only natural for people to leave when they feel like they arent being rewarded fairly. On the curation end why do we bother voting at all if its an arbitrary action? The "whale" vote is all that really matters - I had over 1800 votes on a post today that made $40. Its a lot like the popular group in high school - except im pretty sure none of them were in the popular group.

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beanz (68) · 8 years ago

The problem is - a lot of the content is low percentage - which makes this site niche.

Niches are "a specialized but profitable segment of the market". That's a positive thing to be. Even if we don't take on the world in the first few years, a niche is exactly what we intend to be.

That's why Reddit makes sense - point people to interesting content that was created by someone better than you.

Is that what Reddit does??? Reddit makes no sense to me and I've never been pointed to anything worth seeing on it.

Steemit content is being labeled as "curated" - but it is a useless task. When the website's owner and some girl eat dumplings - the post trends number one and makes hundreds of dollars.

You're right that the curators could do a better job. However this particular post is of interest to this particular community. And I don't think that post looks bad at all for making that kind of money. I think it's more important for the trending page to look like a lottery where any kind of content (that isn't complete garbage) could make it. The issue I see (although it's been changing lately) is when the same authors are always trending and it doesn't look like such a fun game anymore.

Do you really think "Nike" or "Coca-Cola" would come along , see that, and invest a wack of money?

It is far too early to be talking about advertising companies taking over the site especially those the size of Nike and such. It took Facebook 5 years to realise its potential for advertising revenue.

Why should I even know who the CEO of this site is? Mark Zuckerberg isnt out there trolling comment sections on Facebook and the only reason most people know who he is - is because his few lines of PHP changed the world - he will forever be a historic figure - I dont think thats what we are seeeing here.

LOL. First of all, neither of the co-founders have ever been seen "trolling" on steemit. There may be some disagreements here and there, but their opinions are always voiced respectfully. Secondly, I think it's brilliant that Ned and Dan take some of the little time that they have to interact with their userbase. Zuckerberg did do the same when his userbase was as tiny, but Facebook worked in a different way. You had "friends" and acquantances from the same university as you and that's who you interacted with. Zuckerberg was thought to be a figure who would be remembered historically but if he will be he will infamously remembered for monetising peoples data before the blockchain came along and screwed Zuckerberg over by giving people a way to monetise their own data! And then who will be remembered?! Satoshi?? Ned and Dan maybe?

I had over 1800 votes on a post today that made $40. Its a lot like the popular group in high school - except im pretty sure none of them were in the popular group.

No disrespect but now you're starting to sound bitter... And also, none of your posts ever had 1800 votes... I do understand that the curation is flawed at the moment as the system is only gradually becoming decentralised. As Ned said in his debate this week, steem is just a baby right now, and it's up to us to nourish it to help it grow into an independent adult that no longer needs to be changed and satisfies the majority of people. That's going to take a long time and it's not going to be an easy task. But I believe we have the right leaders and a huge resource of passionate people who will push steem in the direction that is best for all of us over time - even those you might think don't have power.

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rgeddes (67) · 8 years ago

Your right it was 1825 votes. https://steemit.com/steemsports-nhl/@steemsports/steemsports-toronto-maple-leafs-vs-anaheim-ducks-mass-sp-distribution-game Do you want to see the one where Dan downvoted me?

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beanz (68) · 8 years ago

I am very happy to see Dan downvoting steemsports, yes. Thank you for bringing it to my attention. It's vote buying and should be considered by the entire community as abuse of the system, especially when the content is good enough and popular enough to get steem without buying the votes. (both from upvotes and from allowing people to bet with STEEM as the currency)

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rgeddes (67) · 8 years ago

You are a hypocrite - You wallet looks like an @SteemSports billboard.. Its such an abuse you just cant help but play? We both play @SteemSports - I knew we had something in common.

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beanz (68) · 8 years ago

What makes you think we don't have readers? We have tens of thousands of active accounts and many of them only ever vote and others only vote and comment. Also every content creator is also a reader (unless you never interact but almost everyone does).

So taking all that into account we have far more readers than creators and those readers don't bring creators. Creators being readers.

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rgeddes (67) · 8 years ago (edited)

There is a 3 to 1 ratio of visitors to posts.. which makes this pool incestuos. Look at the stats below.. 3501 users in the 24h period 1194 of whom were authors. You don't see stats like that anywhere - you are out of your element on this one.

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beanz (68) · 8 years ago (edited)

That would be due to the incentive to participate by posting not just reading. No other platform offers you the potential to win money for your content.

In other words, all the would be readers (who are still readers) are also contributing content.

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rgeddes (67) · 8 years ago

I've read that youtubers make $7 CPM on their content on average.. I am in advetising and I think that is a pretty accurate number. Consider a youtuber might get 50k views.. Thats $400 USD. Now while I agree there is little downside in them putting their video up here.. The 3,000 active members a day would be a pittance in comparison to Youtube. If we rewarded them AGAIN - it wouldn't be fair - Steemit would be buying a blog page with a Youtube link. I do like the idea of short links to youtube content (like they do on reddit) - but only if they change the reward structure around (as they have spoken about - a "short content" reward). I've introduced people to this platform - theyve made money on their first few posts - but they think its stupid and leave (honestly). With short content I think there would be a much stronger value proposition for regular non content producing users. I think the people who stay have friends or projects going on - for those that leave other than SteemSports or some of the other games - there is not much to keep the average guys attention (in my experience).

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beanz (68) · 8 years ago (edited)

50K views does not equal $400 dollars per video, that I know. Not on YouTube. It's closer to maybe $50 and that's only if you've already been made a partner and enabled advertising.

You can ask @allasyummyfood who spoke at steemfest about how hard it is to make money from YouTube. 3'000 active members is far less than 50'000 views, and yet one or two votes from high stake steemians (whales) would pay as much as the 50'000 people who watched her video on YouTube.

I disagree that it isn't fair to reward them for bringing their content here after they've been rewarded elsewhere. I think that chances are, after they get rewarded enough here, and realise the value of steemit, they will actually promote steemit to their own followers which deserves rewards and should be encouraged with rewards!

I've introduced people to this platform - theyve made money on their first few posts - but they think its stupid and leave

I presume they are not the people I'm talking about in this post then. - People who are already looking for ways to monetise their online brand or content.

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rgeddes (67) · 8 years ago

Thats it - drink the kool-aid.

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beanz (68) · 8 years ago

I'm tempted to flag you for trolling.

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rgeddes (67) · 8 years ago

I've provided you with salient points - I am not being abusive toward you - I thought we were discussing in a free forum. Jeez - sorry if I pissed you off..

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johnjgeddes (75) · 8 years ago

I respectfully disagree, but respsect your opinion

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mithrilweed (63) · 8 years ago

Thanks for posting ..very informative...putting my thinking cap on. Maybe a steemit youtube video?

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michaeladamparis (61) · 8 years ago

Large sites do not give as much freedom as Steemit, and also claim ownership of creative work to the extent that they use it in their marketing, advertising, or other efforts. They are in it for the money, and creative minds should recognize this and shun them as a place to express their creativity.

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razvanelulmarin (72) · 8 years ago

" hungry for steemit and don't yet know that it exists" well put

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eroche (67) · 8 years ago

I have been on steemit for a little over a month. It's a great platform but before going after the mainstream and more users I think it still needs some tweeks particularly UX when writing posts and the oboarding process.
I don't mean this as criticism of the site but people can get turned off new things very easily (even of they could make money) and for the most part we will get one chance to attract them. I think timing is crucial and maybe the time to bring people in is best when the site goes out of beta?

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merej99 (70) · 8 years ago

Who needs Steemit?
I love @giftedgaia's answer but my answer is: Everyone and No one.
It's true that I spend an extraordinary amount of time in my day dedicated to Steemit, but the majority of folks who create content want an easy platform to post, share and be done with it. With so many options to build community, Steemit is yet another place where most people have to start from scratch. I didn't come in with a following, did you? That's a hard and often frustrating truth.
I think Steemit will become more mainstream and the go-to place as soon as it's easier to communicate with one another. If I want to send you a private message, I don't want to go to Steem.chat or discord or wherever else people chat & leave messages.
We have to keep leaving the site for awesome Steemit tools. It's counter-productive. The picture and profile is a huge step forward - but we need more. Until then, Steemit is not a place anyone "needs" -- unless you're addicted to it... like I am.

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rgeddes (67) · 8 years ago

I would bet they have a ton of reasons for not putting in private messaging.. They could obviously use something outside the blockchain like they did with Rocket Chat ... You gave me something to research - thanks ;)

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doitvoluntarily (77) · 8 years ago

i didn't know that people on youtube do trend videos like this... like never worked at buzzfeed but made a video saying why they left working there because that title was trending $ on youtube lol ! funny!

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beanz (68) · 8 years ago

It used to go on a lot more actually but YouTube is terrible nowadays for the normal users. Companies like buzz feed do grand, but those who left will have a hard time keeping up the views unless their subscribers are devout!

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thecryptofiend (74) · 8 years ago

Great finds. I never heard of this meme as a means of getting attention. Very ingenious. These people would be perfect. Also Clisare is hilarious - is it pronounced like "Claire"?

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beanz (68) · 8 years ago

Yeah it's just Claire. I presume there was no other username. Maybe if she gets her ass over here she can tell us why she calls herself @clisare lol. Ooooh and that username is still available ha

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thecryptofiend (74) · 8 years ago

Right. I thought it might be an Irish spelling or something.

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sigmajin (65) · 8 years ago

I suspect its funny rap speak. like clisare in the hisouse.

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beanz (68) · 8 years ago

Claire is the Irish spelling it's an Irish name :P i must do some more Irish language posts :P

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thecryptofiend (74) · 8 years ago

Lol:)

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ianstrat (61) · 8 years ago

Good post

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ramblinmind (44) · 8 years ago

Fantastik post sir, a have limited influence, but this is must repost to twitter and fb. Advertising of a different kind! Bravo.

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beanz (68) · 8 years ago

I love when somebody calls me sir! Makes me feel like like Starbuck from battlestar Galactica 😂

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sigmajin (65) · 8 years ago

LOL. I get the point youre trying to make, but you realize its ambiguous, right.

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beanz (68) · 8 years ago

Yes, it's just something you rarely call a lady. If you get the point I'm trying to make then why is it funny?

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sigmajin (65) · 8 years ago (edited)

Its funny because of irony.

Verbal irony is a statement in which the meaning that a speaker employs is sharply different from the meaning that is ostensibly expressed. The ironic statement usually involves the explicit expression of one attitude or evaluation, but with indications in the overall speech-situation that the speaker intends a very different, and often opposite, attitude or evaluation.

The irony here is that the point you were trying to make (being called "sir" seems odd to you because you are a woman), is at odds with the example you used, since "Starbuck from battlestar Galactica" could either refer to a man or a woman, depending on which series the reader is familiar with.

That is to say, you illustrated incongruity of the posters implicit misidentification of your gender with an analogy that was subject to precisely the same misidentification.

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lemouth (72) · 8 years ago

Why do I need Steemit?

Because I discovered scientific blogging through it, which subsequently allowed me to meet people and discuss with them, in particular on the chat. At the end, Steemit allowed me to met people at the other end of the world live, have beers and food together, which is something that would not have been possibly on e.g. Facebook.

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jacobtothe (70) · 8 years ago

We definitely want to find more content creators who will help build the community.

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rgeddes (67) · 8 years ago

You are a hypocrite - Your wallet looks like an @SteemSports billboard.. Its such an abuse you just cant help but play? We both play @SteemSports - I knew we had something in common.

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beanz (68) · 8 years ago

Well it's free money, I never claimed to be a saint. If the whales are selling then so am I. As I noticed they aren't selling so often I've stopped recently. Tell you what. Upvote this comment and I'll give you whatever steem I make from it. :P

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rgeddes (67) · 8 years ago (edited)

Valid point ;) I think I did upvote your post because I liked it - we totally disagree on the details - and that's OKAY. I think weve both been on here long enough to form some opinions. My experiences are different than yours. Yours different than mine.. One thing I think we can be sure of is things are going to start changing - and I honestly hope your "rose coloured" view is correct. I've invested too much energy to walk away - i'm sure you feel the same. Like it or not we are gonna watch this thing unfold together ;)

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beanz (68) · 8 years ago

Well I look forward to watching it with you ;)

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rgeddes (67) · 8 years ago

Thats the steemit difference right ;)

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