The evolution of Adam - Was there death before Adam

simnrodrguez (66) · 7 years ago

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truconspiracy (61) · 7 years ago

Death was brought into the world, not only physical death in which you soul departs from the body and it's life force is gone so it decays. You could say it is energy being transfered from one place or another if you will. There is spiritual death which isn't a ceasing of existence but also a transfer of the state of the soul to either heaven in God's presence or hell away from God's presence. Since we are made in God's image and have consciousness as in God's image and likeness our soul is eternal. "The wages of sin is death(eternal separation from God) the gift of God is Eternal life through Christ Jesus Our Lord." Romans 6:23. ''Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned'' Romans 5:12. There is also different flesh, all flesh is not the same flesh and the state of animals and plant life are different than that of the Human soul. You could speculate but the Scriptures are sufficient for all godliness and doctrine needed to bring the individual to saving faith through the One and only sufficient sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ. Death Burial Resurrection Repentance and Faith(believe).

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creatr (70) · 7 years ago (edited)

"death (eternal separation from God)"

The phrase "eternal separation from God" is not a scriptural concept.

Rather, it is a Greek heresy that has been introduced in complete opposition to what all of scripture has to say.

Death is death. God says "The soul that sins will die." God is a consuming fire.

Man is mortal, he is not an eternal being as the Greeks supposed. Unless and until man comes to believe in Jesus and is granted eternal life, he is doomed to die.

"...the gift of God is Eternal life through Christ Jesus Our Lord."

According to scripture, eternal life is clearly and only a gift from God through Jesus. It is not part of the inherent nature of man.

Apart from Jesus, man is doomed to die... not to live forever apart from God.

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truconspiracy (61) · 7 years ago

I have heard of this but I struggle with the fact that when death comes and there is judgement. The soul that sins can do all harm that he pleases here then is just be no more and not face the consequence for their actions. I think of the story of Lazarus and the Rich Man and how there was agony in the fire or how there is weeping and nashing of teeth, where the fire is not quenched and worm does not die. Or being cast in the lake of fire.

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"The Curmudgeon's Bible - II Thessalonians 1"

creatr (70) · 7 years ago

Hello, friend @truconspiracy,

I thank you for your thoughtful response.

Please note that I did not say they would not have to face the consequences of their actions.

Every person who sins will face the fiery judgement of Jesus who is God. This is clearly presented here:

"...who shall be punished with eternal destruction by the presence of the Lord and by the glory of his power,..."
- 2 Thessalonians 1:9

For a more thorough explanation of this, you may find this article helpful:

Regarding the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, I hope to write more on this in the future. Meanwhile, I would be happy to answer any other questions you may have.

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digitalplayer (58) · 7 years ago

Man soul is by nature ethernal -why do you deny it ?

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creatr (70) · 7 years ago

I deny it simply because scripture teaches that it is mortal. If you click on the links above, you can read the scriptures directly.

What evidence do you have that man's soul is naturally eternal?

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digitalplayer (58) · 7 years ago

All the atoms are in the nature ethernal , it is proven by science , why should the soul not follow the natural laws ?!

And what evidence do you have it isn't ethernal ?

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creatr (70) · 7 years ago

If science proves anything, it is that atoms are not eternal. All atoms decay. All share a characteristic called "entropy." "Science" teaches that the universe as a whole is heading for heat death, running down, wearing out.

And so, if man's soul is a part of that nature, it too will wear out.

The evidence I have, repeating myself once again, is that God has warned man in the bible that he will die. Have you read the linked scriptures?

This was in fact God's first warning to man:

"...but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die."
- Genesis 2:17

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digitalplayer (58) · 7 years ago

Atoms are ethernal, energy as well - principles of thermodynamics - energy is always recycled.

You say all atoms decay - no ... The atoms that decay are the radioactive ones not all as you pretend.

Bible is evidence ? No, bible is information - and btw - the words you quoted says adam will die but not the soul is mentioned - the level is physical , see the context.

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creatr (70) · 7 years ago

"- principles of thermodynamics - energy is always recycled."

Current understanding of science is that free energy in a thermodynamic system is subject to irreversible loss - see this Wikipedia article and its subordinate links, particularly Thermodynamic free energy.

Apart from some external system input, all atoms as a part of their thermodynamic systems decay to a state of "heat death."

If you read the information about Adam in the immediate context of Genesis, you will find that he is a "soul."

"And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."
- Genesis 2:7

English "soul" == Hebrew נֶפֶשׁ (nephesh)

I'll repeat my question: What evidence do you have that the soul is eternal? When the human body dies, it stops breathing, it stops thinking. The atoms that comprise the brain stop transmitting electrical impulses. It all stops and rots...

"...for you are dust,
and to dust you shall return."
- Genesis 3:19

Please follow and read the links I've provided.

Do you have any references? I understand that you are expressing your opinion, and that's fine, but you've so far provided no support whatsoever for your statements.

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pjcswart (65) · 7 years ago

You mean like with Gnosticism?

creatr (70) · 7 years ago

As I understand Gnosticism, they did believe in a multi-part being that included a "soul." I'm not sure if they believed that the soul survived death.

The Greeks, Socrates and Plato, taught the existence of an eternal soul in man. This was an idea that they got from the Egyptians - you can read about that in this article.

The idea of an innately eternal soul is not taught in the bible.

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pjcswart (65) · 7 years ago

Interesting perspective. What do you mean by innately?

creatr (70) · 7 years ago

I mean that it is not part of the fundamental design of a human being. Being eternal is not a basic property of man. In fact, the opposite is true. We are as ephemeral as grass:

"As for man, his days are like grass;
he flourishes like a flower of the field;
for the wind passes over it, and it is gone,
and its place knows it no more."
- Psalm 103:15-16

However, the good news is this: Jesus/God offers us permanence if we believe in him:

"For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day."
- John 6:40

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pjcswart (65) · 7 years ago

But how would you know. What if we are simply experiencing a reflection of another realm, like in the matrix? 🙂

creatr (70) · 7 years ago

There is really only one way to "know" anything, and that is by acting on a belief. It is called faith. You choose someone who seems trustworthy, and then you act on what they have told you, and see what the outcome is.

God says "Oh, taste and see that the Lord is good!
Blessed is the man who takes refuge in him!"
- Psalm 34:8

I have chosen to trust in the words of Jesus.

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adechris (33) · 7 years ago

Nice to see it from a different angle

pjcswart (65) · 7 years ago

Interesting perspective. But how does the energy transfer take place? 😄

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truconspiracy (61) · 7 years ago

That my friend is a mystery. I would suppose that it would be God calling soul from the body Maybe one day quantum physics, mechanics may shed some light on the transfer of the soul energy to a different state.

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pjcswart (65) · 7 years ago

But why would anyone wanna do something like that? 😀

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truconspiracy (61) · 7 years ago

Truth is meant to be discovered eventually.

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pjcswart (65) · 7 years ago

OK but how?

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truconspiracy (61) · 7 years ago

The illumination of the Holy Spirit leads people to the Truth(Christ) Faith is a necessary aspect.

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pjcswart (65) · 7 years ago

That is true. Thanks for connecting. I hope you have a WONDERFUL day!! 😀

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aldentan (67) · 7 years ago

Well I am not a believer, but didn't God plan everything from the start?

The questions we ask are in a sense, part his grand plan only and we can never make a difference.

Sorry if this sounds cynical, but yeah. My 2 cents.

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daniel.tan (37) · 7 years ago

@gavvet Another thought as i was looking at the post title.. As i can see, if God is not limited by time nor matter nor space, He sees everything that in a single timeline as a single instance, He knows what has happened and what is to come.. it doesn't really matter to Him,

Time is only applicable to finite matters or beings like us and the 7 days of creation is for our limited understanding to comprehend life itself maybe. And hopefully, when the limited comprehension, are we able to understand God a little better.

what do you think?

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daniel.tan (37) · 7 years ago

@gavvet i've just published a post about the 4 questions of life that one should ask.

Would love to hear from you on that post.

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yukimaru (65) · 7 years ago

If people only took notice of the most crucial factor on the Book of Genesis...

Genesis Chapter 1 (Recovery Version)
1- In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
2- BUT the earth became waste and emptiness, and darkness was on the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was brooding upon the surface of the waters.

The BUT plays a vital role in bridging science & religion (Christianity). The BUT is a vast length of time, nobody knows how long the time frame is, but as science tells it, the earth is roughly 4.5-4.6 billion years old. That BUT translates the huge expanse between verse 1 & 2. Factor in the the timeline of life on earth, we can definitely say there was death before Adam, before the creation of man.

Just my 2 cents. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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daniel.tan (37) · 7 years ago

well.. i realised that i tend to overthink at times.. but after reading this article, i asked myself, does it really matter if there is death before Adam. What would life be without God?

As what is worse than being separated from the One True God who loves and gives Himself for our redemption than death?

I dunno.. i come to term with death in that sense and sees that indeed, that is much hopelessness with the coming of the Risen King.

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greatness96 (69) · 7 years ago

I believe the death that was introduced by Adam's fall was more spiritual(separation from God) than physical. If it was physical, he would have died immediately he ate the fruit.

kpawuu (37) · 7 years ago (edited)

I belief there was death before Adam and Adam had witnessed death even before he was sacked from the Garden of Eden. God created Adam and Eve to live happily ever after in the garden but HE did not create the animals so. Adam witnessed animals dying so he knew how death was like.

hotsteam (59) · 7 years ago

I don't think a day was 24 hours and there is plenty of proof of other animals on this earth .But God did create the man and they did go through all the stages of the 7 days. That's just my thoughts

pastbastard (53) · 7 years ago

I had taken "Adam" to mean mankind, the progenitor being emblematic of the entire species. I also interpret the "fruit" as being a form of language, a form not yet arrived at. Thus the fruit is still alive, still becoming a part of the man's body and man is not dead. Man may die, but may be transformed into something completely different. The Logos or Word is none other than He.....

dumar022 (70) · 7 years ago (edited)

In Eden, Adam and all living beings were immortal and concept of death simply didn't work there. Even cells of anything that Adam was eating there continued to live along with his own life energy. If a man was immortal and the apple was immortal, was the man kinda stronger "for an apple" after he eats it for eternity??? When Adam was chased away from Eden, in that moment he was condemned to death. So things around him started to die and he was forced to cultivate and produce new food that had to die before/when he ate it. So there was death before Adam.

pjcswart (65) · 7 years ago

It depends what your definition of death is! 😄

ancientknowledge (37) · 7 years ago (edited)

Interesting view, although I'm not a Christian myself but I like studying different religions and have read the bible few times. For me this part of the bible always seemed little too fairy taleish compared to other religious view on the beginning of mankind.

We have to ask ourselves is death a bad thing? What would happen if there was no death on earth? Also if we assume that Eden is a place that exists somewhere other than earth what would happen if there was no death in Eden as well?

And if we assume that Adam didn't get punished and sent to earth but instead stayed on Eden and started reproducing and humans started growing on Eden then unless the Eden has infinite space it would eventually run out of space like earth.

So from this point it is clear that death is a necessary process if there is to be any kind of life to exist anywhere in the universe unless Star trek turns into reality.

However all this assumption is purely from a pragmatic and materialistic view and if we consider the fact that every living thing can exist not only in material form but also in spiritual form, another words if what we call death is actually not The End but just another form of living then it can be interpreted in an entirely different way.

But then the real Truth can be very simple :)

littlebitfarm (56) · 7 years ago

Well, First of all, I believe the seven days were seven literal 24 hour days. Yom meant something particular to a Jew. The context indicates it was a 24 hour day.

As for Adam, there was no death before the fall. Scripture says ALL of creation fell. The consumption of plants was life unto life. Two kinds of death entered into the world at the fall, physical death of which God did first, and spiritual death, which is everlasting torment, for those who refused to believe either in the coming Messiah, or the risen Saviour.

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joshvel (60) · 7 years ago

There was no death before Adam, because Adam was first designed to live eternally before the fall. Death came after the Fall that's what the Bible implied here:

(Genesis 3: 2-3 )2 The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’”

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world-travel-pro (76) · 7 years ago

You are such a trip! I love it. Thanks for getting my mind going. I never think about this stuff, even though I think it's good medicine to let my mind ponder the existence of humanity and much more. So what I think is that most the of the stories in the bible and religion are written in a metaphor like way, there for they are open to many interpretations.

My gut tells me death started with life, end of story. The first living cell on planet earth died. It would be nice if death wasn't a part of life. Unfortunately that chicken I ate last night had to meat it's end to keep me healthy and strong! Looking forward to your much more insightful response! Have a great day! -Dan

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chrispty507 (36) · 7 years ago

An interesting topic. It has the potential to be diggers even further. There are actually lots of remarks I didn't expected them to be. Good article.

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grizzman (53) · 7 years ago

This is a deep subject, one has to ponder and can only assume.

meanmommy33 (61) · 7 years ago

You raise a lot of interesting questions regarding the interpretation of the scriptures...As a theologian myself I honestly don't know where to start from because scriptures are often contradictory about matters like 'Life before Eden' or details of the forbidden fruit...Probably because the allegory of the story does not really explain in depth all those details...The only 'sure' thing I guess, according to what's written, is that Adam and Eve were immortals before their major sin, and they were about to die at some point after falling from Eden. I follow these series because I'm very interested in 'Adam's side' - since, as I mentioned before, I research on Lilith, his 'first wife'. Are you going to answer to any of those questions @gavvet? I'll be amazed to see!!! :D

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kfressien2 (46) · 7 years ago (edited)

Well, from the opinion of (Genesis 2:16–17), Death Is a Punishment introduced into the world by sin.

Looking at life in the garden of Eden before the introduction of sin, you will find out that all living things were vegetarians.. having to solely depend on plants for food (Genesis 1:29–30).

Now, we cannot consider plants being consumed as food as DEATH because in the biblical sense of nephesh chayyah, plants are not “alive” . Nephesh chayyah refers to the aspects of sentience, where human beings and other animals are both described as having nephesh. Plants, as an example of live organisms, are not referred in the Bible as having nephesh which literally means 'soul', although it is commonly rendered as "life" in English translations.)

So from my opinion, i think there was no death before Adam.

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cleverbot (54) · 7 years ago

Ok. And which is the last one you know!

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sostrin (55) · 7 years ago

According to sumerian tablets dated about 6000BC is a story that states that man was created by the God Enki. It is implied that Homo sapien, Adam, man he was somehow genetically engineered. Somehow advancing the evolution of man that God created. The first version of "Adam" could not reproduce. Then Enki made another version.

tiffanyrej (52) · 7 years ago

yeah! Why I haven't thought of that until now. Are the animals immortal before man committed sin????? ..

dakhiangs (33) · 7 years ago

Can we also include the animals in Eden garden? Did they ever die? Or are animals always disregarded when it comes to life and death(of the souls)?

theguruasia (67) · 7 years ago

@gavvet,
Actually I am not believing this Adam and Eva story! I believe everything made according to the cycle of the nature. But again a problem who made the nature... this is something like "who born first - egg or hen!"
So, personally I believe nature or the god made us all. Now we are here and we should understand that we are in a cycle of birth and death!
Nice article and an interesting topic! Hope people has different different perception about this topic! I could agree with all those opinions or viewpoints, because I don't know what was happened at that time :D

Cheers~

outhori5ed (66) · 7 years ago

In my opinion, the very minute they ate of the tree, they died! Gen 3:7 reports that the eyes of both were naked and they knew that they were naked...

no read it this way the eyes of both were naked and they knew that they were died...this is because death is the end of the life of a person or organism; before this time, Adam and his wife were living the God life of Glory. there is no replacement for glory, it is either glory (life) or shame (death). the eating of the fruit created a permanent ending of vital processes in the supernatural. they began to do things that they had no knowledge of, for they first time, they heard the voice of God "walking"; they understood nakedness - voidness and emptiness without being taught; they adopted complaints (shifting blames) without be taught instead of accepting responsibilty. Before his death (the fruit), Adam was hundred percent a spirit man and his death made him physical.

fast forward, when the Lord God decided to redeem the world back to Himself, the process had to be taken, again. Having partaking of the tree of through Adam's (first Adam)disobedience we also had to partake of the tree of Life through Jesus (last Adam) obedience (Romans 5:19).

Adam's death was by disobedience that pushed man away from God BUT Jesus' death was by Obedience that brought man back to God. Death in this cases opened the chapter to another life; why for the first Adam it was to eternal damnation, for the last Adam it was to eternal Life. And mind you, eternal life is not a 'far-fetched, when you die you receive it thing' it is a life in Christ. Just as after Adam's death by eating the fruit men lived in the chapter opened by that act, when you accept Jesus as your Lord and Saviour, you begin to live eternal life in the world. Cause His death made it possible that as He is in Heaven, so are we on earth!

this is my opinion

dolov (65) · 7 years ago

I think Adam is an experiment, nothing more. There were a lot of such Adams before they scattered all over the planet, in different guises, however, like the Ev ... Perhaps

tiffanyrej (52) · 7 years ago

That will be a very interesting theory :) Who knows when the truth will be unfold??

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outwalking (52) · 7 years ago

Just thinking about this makes you dizzy. I don't believe there is an answer that can be found, I'm sure the creator knows the answer but will probably not share it.

cqdx (38) · 7 years ago

I never heard that everybody in Eden was immortal , I wonder where that comes from. Eden was the general state of grace where humans were not troubled with self consciousness, much like an animal is never self conscious. Curiosity killed the cat, they ate of the tree of knowledge and there was no going back.

art-universe (68) · 7 years ago (edited)

Perhaps every man is an ADAM and every woman an EVE and it is just an allegory for the dualistic energetic oneness of spiritual mankind.... hermaphrodite.... ying and yang..... Who knows... What do you think @gavvet

ehabakhdar (53) · 7 years ago

Does Eden have the same laws that we have in our universe, very simple question does the laws apply and Eden does it apply on earth. If you go for a little bit from earth maybe mars for instant , you'll find different law. Just think about it

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rukmaars (36) · 7 years ago

Goodmorning!
Wow these are some rather mind boggling questions you raise with this article. Hadn't thought about it much but now you got me started haha. I will try to give my version when i get on a computer, my phone is not super comfy for long texts.

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julzee (46) · 7 years ago

Good questions! You might like the lectures on the significance of the biblical stories by Jordan Peterson here on my @julzee steemit blog. they are approx 90 minutes long but well worth fitting in listening. Seems to me that once Adam & Eve ate the apple that was it.

soylent1 (44) · 7 years ago

Please take time to consider my point. Death cannot occur in the absence of life, but life can occur without death. Depending on how we define life, life must definitely occur first before death. In the case of Adam, we may consider that there may have been possible life before him, even those which are minuscule. In conclusion, death may have been present before Adam. Just my opinion :)

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julzee (46) · 7 years ago

According to biblical belief was there not nothing? Until Gos created life? How can there be death without first life?

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eric4prez (33) · 7 years ago

Everyone knows its adam and steve!!!

gavvet (78) · 7 years ago

not quite!

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johleen (57) · 7 years ago

I've been reading a lot of Neville Goddard recently, and I enjoy his interpretations of the bible.

He believes the entire bible is an Eastern metaphorical text designed to teach us about our states of mind.

His opinion is that the story of Adam and Even is a parable about human nature.
Adam represents the body and all material reality, and Eve represents the inner life, soul, or mind.

This is a little excerpt from his writings on the subject:

The Great Law of human nature is that one's surroundings at any time are but the outer expression or outpicturing of his conscious (and subconscious) mind at the moment.

States of mind never result from outer conditions (although, of course, they seem to do so until we analyze the situation thoroughly), but it is always the outer picture which is produced by the mental state. Eve (mind) can bring trouble upon Adam (body) or she can present him with harmony; but Adam cannot do anything to Eve.

Unless the soul (mind) first eats the forbidden fruit of fear, anger, greed, etc., the embodiment will be harmonious and free; but anything that the soul (mind) does consume or entertain must and will appear on the body.

So I think, the question of 'Was there death before Adam,' perhaps becomes irrelevant when you think of this story not as a story of real people or a real historical event, but instead as a metaphorical lesson.

Neville Goddard has written so much on this subject - far more than I could waffle on about here!

But perhaps you might enjoy checking out some of his work? :)

Thanks for this post, it gave me a good excuse to put off doing the washing up which I'm supposed to be doing right now ha!

julzee (46) · 7 years ago

Sounds alot like what Jordan Peterson says. He seems to believe that the biblical stories are a representation of years & years of patterns of knowledge of what mankind learned but was not yet able to articulate through word ergo stories expressed what was known subconsciously but not cognitively understood. Things that were acted out and true but not yet able to be expressed any other way but story form.

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johleen (57) · 7 years ago

Oh interesting, I've not heard of Jordan Peterson before. Thanks for the link, I'll check out the vid you posted. :)

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julzee (46) · 7 years ago

Yw. He gave me a new perspective on religion. I've always considered myself a Christian (because I was brought up that way) but It really don't attend church etc. Not impressed with institutional religion. I myself questioned tradition and viewed it all as simple belief passed on. But after hearing Jordan's explanations as to how it all actually coincides with human nature (scientifically) psychologically and biologically it freegin blew my mind. His lectures are very long but if you listen a little here and there, I even fell asleep to them and had to replay them a few times..lol but sooo worth it. The knowledge and understssnding you gain is immeasurable. Makes you realize that it's not wise to reduce it all down to simple 'belief' that we can choose to do away with due to irrelevence. It is totally relevent!

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theheralds (57) · 7 years ago

What Adam eat was the fruit of good and bad and after their disobedience the tree of life was removed out of their sight. Had it been they lay their hands on the fruit of life death wouldn't have occurred.
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indiantraveller (60) · 7 years ago

I don't believe the one who is here, was here was not supposed to die, simply every live creature spends its time and has to go

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livelifefullest (62) · 7 years ago

This needs a little more time to think over. Nice you bring it from a different angle. Mhhh not so easy... and it was already Very difficult. Thanks for let us think.

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anonymous7 (37) · 7 years ago

the story of adam is intresting...but whether its true or not will always remain to be a topic of debate

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albuluhi (58) · 7 years ago

adam is the first man created god according to my belief, if darwin theory is true then man does not need mother, because can change from ape to mother.

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pastbastard (53) · 7 years ago

I do not think Evolution is at odds with Genesis, the underlying symbolism is exactly the same. The "big bang" theory of creation is also defined in Genesis. Look deeper, it's one in the same.

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rooneey (60) · 7 years ago

in Islam belief, we have different thought and all based on Different sources. I think that is not a big matter as long as we believe that Adam is the first ma and the first prophet in the world.

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leslyfay (55) · 7 years ago

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eco-alex (73) · 7 years ago

What I think is that the story is , of course, symbolic. The garden of Eden was a place that was like heaven, where there is no duality and no good or bad.. just bliss..

When they left the garden for eating the apple, it is symbolic of coming to a place of duality and right and wrong, Earth! The apple eating was symbolic of this change into duality where there was suddenly something that was right or wrong.

It was inevitable that the apple was eaten as it is unavoidable to live outside of duality when we are in this body and consciousness. This is a dualistic universe!

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jwolf (70) · 7 years ago (edited)

Well I think animals died as it is normal but my own opinion is that all these are legends or bad translated books with a lot of modifications...

And I want to let people know there are people saying an username @gavvet. with a dot at the final is scamming on steemit.chat

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mehdibca (64) · 7 years ago

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siren7 (52) · 7 years ago

Adam is a character from the Book of Genesis, the Old Testament, the Qur'an and Kitáb-i-Íqán. According to the creation myths of the Abrahamic religions he is the first man and according to the divine religion they are also the parents of all human beings present in the world. Thank you @gavvet

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thecryptotrader (63) · 7 years ago

Don't believe in this fantastic story :)

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practicaleric (66) · 7 years ago

Excellent thought provoking post. If we go with what the bible says we can assume that there was no death before Adam. However, that raises the question of how did nature exist because we know some animals are food to others. Probably God had created these animals not to eat each other but once Adam sinned this was reversed and death came in. Just my thoughts :)

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aomame (50) · 7 years ago

awesome

bitdollar (60) · 7 years ago

Deep thoughts!

perennial (61) · 7 years ago

What i am most intrigued is the fact the woman is depicted as the weaker one that succumb to the serpant's devious incitement. The part where Adam believed Eve is common it happens till today. The man will give much weight and prominence to the request of their beloved.

digitalplayer (58) · 7 years ago

The Bible says it was death before -
Keep following the comment, i will post the reference

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magnata (66) · 7 years ago

On this topic, you can argue endlessly, and the truth does not know. We can only assume.

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mrblu (62) · 7 years ago (edited)

@gavvet..upvoted...nice post..adam and eve eat the forbidden fruit..they sin on the presence of the lord God the creature.the forbidden fruit contains the biological reaction on our DNA and it cause death to all generation.

God is within the body..when the lord give us our first breath..the way the creature created us as eternal flesh we have,which we can't day and cannot be old.but since man eat the forbidden fruit, all his generation will become old and die..that's my point of view.

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abue (45) · 7 years ago

May I know what religion you are?

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gavvet (78) · 7 years ago

Christian, of the Mormon flavor.

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akademy (31) · 7 years ago

you are on point

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serkagan (65) · 7 years ago

As if there was not, after death comes life! Thank you @gavvet

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anvesha (54) · 7 years ago

I just want to say that Our All questions that came into our mind will solved if we read Quran

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user0103283 (52) · 7 years ago (edited)

This is an interesting post for sure.In my opinion the serpent tempted Eve with the fruit there was no death until the fall of Adam but something was interesting in the part about tempting eve the word actually was the serpent seduced Eve and she consumed the fruit there was more going on then clearly read The serpent most likely had sex with Eve and there was an offspring before Adams seed.I believe that the garden of eden was the only life until that moment Adam ate the fruit. this is why I am following great content thank you for taking the time to add value to steemit please consider an up vote on my blog as well and feel free to follow back cheers. also upvoted.

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dontryme2 (55) · 7 years ago

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nonasweety (50) · 7 years ago

good post and history of our ancestors we need to read and we dii as our science ... Adam and hawa live peace and comfort in heaven. Someday comes the teaser. Devil of one of the infamous devils came to Adam and hawa. He tried to seduce Adam and Eve. Shaytan said by comparing Adam and hawa as human beings with angels. That the angels will become perpetual inhabitants of heaven, while Adam and Eve will become the Caliphs on Earth. The angels live with an abundance of endless favor with eternal life in heaven. While Adam and hawa will not be like angels.

Devil says that he knows how to make Adam and hawa such an angel. Devil says that Adam and hawa should approach the tree of the khuldi. Shaitan also persuaded them to eat the fruit of the tree. Eventually Adam and hawa was tempted to persuade devil to eat the fruit of the tree khuldi.

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e097 (25) · 7 years ago

The Bible does not have all the facts about Adam and Eve. The Superbible does. Paper 73,74,75,76. Urantia.org

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sophistryproof (44) · 7 years ago

Hi @e097, The Superbible! Love it. Never heard it called that. Urantia.org is ok, but I like going to truthbook.com

I am looking for fellow readers. Following you. Thanks.

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lovkeshkumar (26) · 7 years ago

i really like your thought, i hope more will come too

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bukkots.com (0) · 7 years ago (edited)

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mudatnad (21) · 7 years ago

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itai0921 (13) · 7 years ago

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jay187 (35) · 7 years ago

Interesting title, interesting article.
Great post!

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saadhashmi (38) · 7 years ago

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smartlogic (48) · 7 years ago

On point

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karchady (53) · 7 years ago

Hello , excelent post !

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engrqd (48) · 7 years ago

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kham (39) · 7 years ago

The question of the existence of human beings and their feet on this land and lived in it before Adam peace be upon him has no basis for them and no fixed evidence of the book nor the Sunnah on it, but what people tell about it just novels mentioned in the books of interpretation and rumors not proven

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mecherine (40) · 7 years ago

You are on the point. We have to believe in the bible story with faith. Anything beyond this will make us to lose our faith.

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sureshgajera (34) · 7 years ago

Nice

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blazing (70) · 7 years ago

it was great to read about Adam,and thanks for sharing the previous parts too of it :)

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amadeus (58) · 7 years ago

I think the scripts describe something more than the 3d concept of our world. Something that religions want to hide from people.

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adechris (33) · 7 years ago

Nice to see it from a different angle

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rezi (42) · 7 years ago

beautiful art

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raist (52) · 7 years ago

Assume if it would there be no death.

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penantang (45) · 7 years ago (edited)

ini pendapat yang sangt sulit diberikan. jika ingin mengetahui lebih jelas bisa dicari dan dipelajari dalam kitab suci yang asli (taurat,zabur,injil,dan alquran) sejarah kehidupan para nabi yang sebenarnya terdapat dalam kitab suci.
ingat..!!! KITAB SUCI ASLI

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zoeyfrancis (11) · 7 years ago

good point

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bukharisulaiman (56) · 7 years ago

Adam is described as the first flesh

Thanks you @gavvet. I love it

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rival (67) · 7 years ago

Wy said Eden existed. I think it's a view of reality.. People minds re sometimes overreacting and you see things way different then they really are.

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imransoudagar (64) · 7 years ago

I think there was death before Adam, but no one dies in Heaven. And when Adam was sent to earth his life changed from a life of luxury to a life of hardship and repentance.

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johnmarteen (35) · 7 years ago

nice post!

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makkizakki (43) · 7 years ago

If god killed his own son what hope is left for the rest of humanity?

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gavvet (78) · 7 years ago

hope!

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makkizakki (43) · 7 years ago

Hope indeed!

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pjcswart (65) · 7 years ago

Makes sense!

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ttopswag (62) · 7 years ago

I doubt the seven days of creation were 24 hours

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steemwija (58) · 7 years ago

@gavvet - Oh Sir interesting topic. God made us all. Not only adam, the earth and everything made by god himself. So, there are no death before god. That's what I believe and bible said (according to the my knowledge)
God bless you Sir. Love your article & wish to resteem it too Sir.

+W+

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patricia90 (25) · 7 years ago

good points are undesputablly Awesome

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hodafadel (44) · 7 years ago

What if with the final transmutation of the sexual energy into the creative power of the voice - the larynx, where the fruit of mortality is stuck (Adam Apple) death will come to an end: physical immortality.

The end of the sexual organs means the end of the separation of human beings into two sexes.

What if it is the separation of the sexes that initiated us into the mortal realm?

As long as Eve was in Adam, there was no death.

If we becomes whole again, would death dies to the sweet ambrosia of our immortality?

@hodafadel

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kevkong (48) · 7 years ago

There are no legitimate answers to these questions as the bible is a work of ancient fiction. Only the author could shed light onto this, however the reasoning would be a logic based in a naive world from a time gone by that we probably would find hard to grasp today.

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