Stranger than fiction - 1

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hone.heke (51) · 5 years ago (edited)

Are you willing to share what tools you use to gather the information please.
I would like to verify and maybe contribute to your work in some way if appropriate.

Edit
A though only just occurred to me. What happened to the exchanges funds in the hard fork?
If the rules were followed, their accounts did not get included in the hard fork and now those funds are in the hands of who?

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akiroq (65) · 5 years ago (edited)

They are supposedly in a sort of null fund, except it is not a true null fund. People do have access. Basically they have recreated (and grown) Ned's stake. Except now this stake is in the hands of the witnesses who began the chain. Supposedly it is open so that people can "appeal" the blacklist and still get a drop if their appeal is successful. (I haven't appealed.) It certainly leaves us with a lot of questions doesn't it? Why do it this way?
Why not just take fresh code over? Why copy everything, including people's personal content? Why not have everyone start at the same point, wouldn't that be fair? That way people can invest if they like, or not. That way power is not centralized.
My instinct has always been that the witnesses were overly comfortable in their positions, with their regular pay, that they didn't like it one bit when that position was threatened. (Hence their hostile hard fork when Justin bought Ned's stake.) The "new" chain is a way to ensure their paycheck keeps coming. I think this is about money, and not at all about doing what is right (especially by what I have seen). But of course, it is more palatable to dress it up under the guise of doing the right thing and protecting decentralization.
But, they have taken all the problems with them to a new chain, including the problems surrounding the centralization of power.
From my perspective, their copy of the chain is even more centralized.
I am curious to see how they will fare against the legal problems that are just getting started. Should be interesting.
I personally removed all of my content off of Hive. Every single post. I won't have my name or content on something that I believe to be illegal.

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logiczombie (57) · 5 years ago

Except now this stake is in the hands of the witnesses who began the chain.

All hail the new HIVE KINGS

hone.heke (51) · 5 years ago

and according to lukestokes they only need two thirds plus 1 of the top twenty to implement a change to the rules.

wow i looked at the link !

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akiroq (65) · 5 years ago

Yeah, that was always my point. How is it a community when the community really has very little to no say. How decentralized!

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logiczombie (57) · 5 years ago (edited)

wow i looked at the link !

Yeah, I was calling them KINGS already, I can't believe they actually call THEMSELVES KINGS.

akiroq (65) · 5 years ago

I like the name. Full disclosure. Kings of a stolen empire. People thought I was joking when I called them Kings. It's funny because they mocked Justin and called him the King of Steem. Yet, here we are: Hive Kings. I am telling you, truth is stranger than fiction.

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blanchy (65) · 5 years ago

George Orwell. Animal farm. The pigs are now smoking cigars just like the famrers. It's all corrupt.

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logiczombie (57) · 5 years ago

Click to watch feature length film (1954),

akiroq (65) · 5 years ago (edited)

I have only gone through 150 pages of data, I have over 1600 pages left to go through. Imagine how long this list will be by the time I am done. And, I will finish it. I am curious to see how deep this goes. The most disheartening thing? Finding what looks like 4 more of this type of scheme voting in different witnesses (in those cases it looks like accounts were only used for upvoting and voting in those witnesses). This needs to be fixed! This is abuse.

hone.heke (51) · 5 years ago

Also are you willing to let me see the data you are going through.

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akiroq (65) · 5 years ago

Actually, I am not using anything special. I wish I had a scraper, or a better tool. I also need one for wallets, as I want to expose some of the other scams that were happening on Steem prior to Justin's arrival(former witnesses). I have seen some of the wallet transactions I am talking about, but I would like to put all of them together to show the public the full picture. Plus, who knows what else I might uncover when I look.
I am going through puncakbukit's account since it is the slowest of the three. I'm on page 212 of 1823. I am using steemd. If I could download all account activity this would be a lot easier. I have been looking more closely at every single one of puncakbukit's witness votes. This is also how I found some of the other highly suspect accounts and activities. @hone.heke

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logiczombie (57) · 5 years ago

Tag @joe.public

blanchy (65) · 5 years ago

George Orwell. Animal farm. The pigs are now smoking cigars just like the famrers. It's all corrupt.

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logiczombie (57) · 5 years ago

Phenomenal analysis.

akiroq (65) · 5 years ago

Not yet, because there is so much much more. My Asperger mind is in overdrive. I picked up a lot of other suspicious stuff going on along the way. That happens when you look at every single entry of someone's account. Some really stood out to be, so I went exploring. But, I have to put those aside for now and finish one thing at a time.

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logiczombie (57) · 5 years ago

Tag @anthonyadavisii and @freebornangel,

Do you have any opinions or data on accounts like @camillesteemer?

akiroq (65) · 5 years ago

They claim that all of Steem is a scam. They have two stories. In an earlier story, they claimed they were merely down-voting all scammers. In a newer version, they claim they are down-voting to raise awareness. They have created a website outlining their intentions. Their website would be more effective if it was more focused on providing information/explanations with comprehensive proof of the various scams.

I know that other people are aware of some of the things I have talked about in various places on Steem. The hope is that a group of people will come together to compile information/evidence and bring it to light. That we will inform and advocate for change.

Camillesteemer and related accounts have downvoted me quite a bit in the past. I believe Camillesteemer is the same person creating all of these accounts (above). They visited and downvoted my latest post. Obviously, they don't like that I am looking at them and their activity.

But, I'd like to point out that what they are doing is not helping. It's a menace to everyone. They are contributing to the very problem. They are hurting innocent people.

Why not invest that same effort into actually helping and making a difference? Why leave a legacy of destruction?

I believe they do have other accounts with which they interact with (that aren't used just for voting). Camillesteemer might be someone we know.

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logiczombie (57) · 5 years ago

I believe they do have other accounts with which they interact with (that aren't used just for voting). Camillesteemer might be someone we know.

So, do you think camille is perhaps some sort of "parody" of a "whiner" account, setup by someone who hates "whiners"?

akiroq (65) · 5 years ago

Would it benefit us to know who camillesteemer is? I could have a look.

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logiczombie (57) · 5 years ago

They've been mentioned in the SFR discord,

freebornangel (73) · 5 years ago

Longterm annoyance.

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