Play it again, Sam! This time with feeling! Why buying and selling votes is abuse.

in rewardpoolabuse •  7 years ago 

This post was flagged by someone scared that the truth might interfere with his maximizing of his profits.
The millions he already has isnt enough, now he wants billions.
I guess he plans to get them by taking them away from others 'because he can'.

By bullying others out of their rewards he secures his legacy on an indelible blockchain.
Its sad, really.
He can make plenty of rewards putting out content.
He is good at most anything he does.
His image in the broader community is a good one.
Why he chooses to bully others into submission is beyond me.
Maybe he got bullied as a child, and now sees being domineering as being powerful.
By forcing others to comply with his worldview he is exerting his desire to strike back at the bullies of his childhood.
What drives him to be a domineering ass?
That he might get a little bit less from the rewards intended for the community to curate 'good' content with?

This post must have struck him as containing extremely powerful words to warrant flagging an author that rarely gets 50 views on his content.
Let's see if he does it again, eh?
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The post as originally posted:

The rewards pool was intended to spread steem to folks that the community determined to be deserving.
We put out 'good' content, the community decides how much we got coming, and steem is distributed.
Large accounts get to make their roi by curating content.
A not perfect idea, but it is what it is.

Vote buyers/sellers short circuit this primary basic function of the pool by taking rewards by paying for/selling rewards from the pool.
They force the community into their scheme to scam the pool.
Their content isnt worthy of rewards, or they wouldnt have to buy them.
The sellers are too lazy to do the work of curating 'good' content, and prefer to plunder the pool by force instead.
They both would rather force the community into paying them than put in the work to get a following, or do the work necessary to get maximum roi by curating.
The vote buyers want to pass off their paid for reputations as just as good as anybody's that has earned their reputations by creating content the community wanted to vote.

Dont buy into the crap the sellers put out there, either.
Its not about visibility.
At first vote sellers said, 'Screw you, its our stake to do what we want with it.'
That went over like a lead ballon, as you can imagine.
Then one of the brighter ones said, 'We are selling visibility.', and this has been their collective mantra ever since.
But, if it was just about visibility, the sellers could require rewards be declined, the votes still push the posts up the trending list, but dont have any impact whatsoever on the rewards pool.
They could set their minimum price at the curation rewards they would've gotten and leave the top open to make even more profits than they do now.
But, the brightest amongst them havent caught onto that fact yet.
Instead of being greedy reward pool abusers, they could minimize their impact on the rest of us.
By adopting this simple change in the rules they would not have to deal with the derision i will continue to heap upon them until they stop abusing us, 'because we can'.
I am, after all, just some kook that nobody listens to, anyways. 0.o

But you know, i know, and the vote sellers know that far fewer people would play the game without a profit motive.
The promise of an immediate return on their payments keep folks buying even when they get ripped off.
They just move to the next bot until it rips them off, too.

By getting your rewards by paying for them you are paying the bots to rob every other vote on the platform of value.
Steem's math works so that the votes with the most sp behind them get fed first.
If you are a minnow you suck hind teat when the whales vote.
The value of the few votes you do get is diminished because the vote sellers have more sp than you.

Most of you werent here when we had the n2.
You never saw what vote stacking did for content discovery.
The greedy whales were screwing that up, too.
Minnows couldnt get rewards because, 'Its our stake to do what we want with, screw you.'

Well, one day some responsible whales stepped up and started downvoting those greedy whales and suddenly minnows mattered in the math.
My vote went from .00 to .04sbd, and i had less than half the sp i have now.
I started getting rewards from the 70 votes i was averaging.
The whale experiment showed that taking the greedy whales out of the mix made the game worth playing.

Then stinc hardforked the code so that those greedy whales could go back to screwing us.
Instead of allowing the community to adjust to the code on their own, stinc chose the wealthy over everybody else.
Now those same greedy whales are selling their influence to the highest bidder, and once again the game isnt worth playing for the newbs.
850k accounts have abandoned the platform.
Figure that is because they found the game worth playing? Of course not.

When the minnows are allowed to matter in the math the distribution of steem is much broader.
There arent enough whales to go around, and too many of them have god complexes anyways, they only vote sycophants.
Most minnows votes go to other minnows, if those votes were allowed to have value the distribution of steem would be tilted much more in favor of the newbs rather than towards whales and their knob slobbers.

Just be sure not to mention this to their faces, they will kick you out of their discords.
I figure if i was wrong there would be no need to silence me, folks could figure out that i was wrong on their own.
But as i am right, the greedy whale's only option was to silence me.
'Off wit' 'is 'ead!'
So, instead of doing this one to one with the vote sellers in their offchain discords, i have to do it here where their shame will forever be recorded on the chain.

Oh well, just another crappy day in the only paradise we are gonna get.
Have a perfectly peaceful day!
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And a final message from me to him.
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copy paste of my comment, which you partially upvoted, but did not reply to, from the previous thread:

Large accounts get to make their roi by curating content.

No.
Nearly 1/2 of the preminers (most of the whales are preminers or belong to preminers, which is equivalent) sold votes to this date, which adds more Steem and SBD on top of their curation rewards while also decreasing their risk, which was small anyway.

About the same size of portion of them farm author rewards through automated proxy accounts.

About the same portion also get paid for block production, which is the smallest problem, since block producers pay energy and/or hosting costs and at times also have to directly invest in hardware if they do not use some host service.

If you want to equalize their abuse proportionally to your own size you got to compete by buying votes from bot owners whom are not related to preminers/whales, and there are over a dozen decent smaller bidbot owners.
When they enjoy curation rewards on top of direct payments, it comes at the expense of spammers, shitposters, whales and preminers.

So if you want to fight abuse, compete against it, which you did come to realize, despite that you do worse than denying it, you complain against what you do.

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Sorry, i was getting lost in the edits.

I dont care if they out compete me for rewards, doing so will only drive the price down, ultimately depriving them of their goal.
They will have a whole lot of nothing, whereas my share of the nothing will be less.

If you want to equalize their abuse proportionally to your own size you got to compete by buying votes from bot owners whom are not related to preminers/whales, and there are over a dozen decent smaller bidbot owners.

Im gonna leave that to you and the other guy, i really dont have the energy to spare.
Im not one to join 'em because i cant beat 'em.
I'll leave that to those that dont mind giving up.

you complain against what you do.

Youll have to clue me in, what do you mean?

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While competing to be the scummiest asshole on the blockchain may be indicated mathematically, your values are utterly void if you reckon that somehow fixes the problem. Just like in the fiat world, that mechanism is actually how the system of abuse and predation perpetuates, as new abusive assholes are recruited and proved out by being competitively abusive.

You ARE the problem.

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I'm gonna throw you a little vote, for the very first time.

If you don't want me to vote for you again, quite botting up your comments in reply to me.

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You're pretty gutsy.
I don't think it's horrible. It does encourage investors to invest in the platform.
It also can give users a chance to earn slightly more Steem although a lot of bidders do seem willing to lose money.

Any rewards received not voted to you by the community is abuse.

Maybe, maybe not. It seems like about 90-99% of our community is dead or automated. Hopefully I can help improve our metrics with Steem Power I work VERY hard to get from the bots.
I understand where you are coming from but it seems dumb to not try and take power from the bots and also help yourself and others now and in the future but to each their own.

No maybes, the reward pool is intended for us to vote you your share based on our evaluation of your content, not for you to buy, or them to sell.

Under 500sp principles are maleable, but over that its time to work on your content.

Long Live the Minnows...

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Ahh,...a three hour tour,....

Ahh,...a three hour tour,....maybe we will see some whales and dolphins!

Ahh,...a three hour tour,....

Are bots the best form of advertising we have on Steemit at current time?

To me, they are a form of invest and a way to boost my reputation, to make it susceptible to fewer users' downvote.
Also, bidding fights spam by competing against it and lowering ROI on spam.

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That is subjective.
Id say the best advertising you can get is getting abused by a whale, but im not here for the rewards as much as for the record of having been here.

If advertising is all you are after, decline the rewards and buy all the votes you can afford.
Declining rewards ends the abuse of the pool.
If i was a bot owner, id charge more than what im charging now and claim it as 'the new and improved vote bot, now abuse free!', but im not.

The best form of advertising is word of mouth.
If your content is worthy the readers will share you with others.

Another good form, that works for me, is making good comments on the work of others, they tend to vote the good comments and they will learn that you are here and what you are about.

The last thing i would do, if i wanted to advertise, is hire a thug to take rewards from others and give them to me.
Seems kinda like bullying, to me.

You'll have to decide for you.

While I know we disagree on this topic, I thought I would stop by and say hi!

You're going to be a whale someday! :)

Lol, pardon me if i remain skeptical?

Hi, yourself, i had wondered where you had gone off to.
Nothing wrong with dissent, without it life is a circle jerk.

Feel free to unload whenever you feel froggy.