Do you want open borders? Okay, how about you open your firewall wide open first?
6 years ago by dwinblood (73)
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Illegal/legal is the forte of the statist. No victim, no crime. So much for your fake ass "I'm an anarchist". To squash your logic here like previously, you're comparing intrusion into a private space, with what exactly? Migration in a public space? Makes sense, "they intruded on this public space".
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hey Mr dwinblood been a while how do you do? you got a point there lol the only reason germany/eu opened the doors for refugee is because germany needed 2 millions cheap man power by the year 2020... this is the real reason
have a nice day! ;)
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I suspect there are more reasons than that. The EU didn't just open them in Germany. If Germany needed that manpower they could have just opened the German borders. Instead they are force (coercion is threat, and the EU is threatening those that do not comply) the EU members to open their borders.
I see it more as a combination of Kloward and Piven and the Hegalian Dialectic. Create the problem, so people will accept the solution you have in mind before the problem is even created.
The only thing going wrong in their plan. People noticed. People are resisting. So the propaganda machine is going full bore to silence the counter propaganda (aka Truth).
Thus the censorship all over the place, and thus the EU laws near passage that will destroy the internet for the EU. Likely to be adopted for some insane reason after their passage. Though I don't expect the EU citizens to remain peaceful towards their EU overlords if it happens.
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I was talking about Germany specifically but yea I agree the gran plan is to control the whole europe this time without the tanks...
I believe that ww2 never ended it just went underground...
It is a slow and silent fight let's hope for the best!
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I guess the left will call me a nazi, bigot, white supremacist for having a firewall on my 486 DX2 66 with 16 megs of ram.
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Well, I guess people would do it depending on who was really paying the phone bills, the data plan and the internet access. };)
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Sure. There are no illegal packets. They will not install packet sniffers and learn about your banks, credit cards, and other aspects of your identity. They won't abuse that. Might as well be wide open. I mean that's how open borders work. We're assuming the people that cross the border at locations other than a port of entry and with an invitation will be safe and decent.
I mean we can't be called a packetphobe, hackerphobe, etc. We can't be anti-packet, and anti-spyware. Speaking of which... all those malware removal programs and such... are they not racist? They are trying to deport such things from our computers. That's racist!!! Only Nazis would endorse stopping and deporting such things.
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Haha yeah! I forgot to mention in my previous comment that it also would depend of who would pay afterwards for the technical visits of wrecked PCs repairing from true specialists. Nazis, Racists or otherwise. :)
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%99 of the computing power is owned by %1 percent of evil computer hoarders.
Free the Binary Non-gendered numbers!
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LOL. I like it.
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Time to Occupy Silicon Valley!
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I could not have said it better I so agree with your post thanks my friend
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It's not a question of open or closed borders, but of no more arbitrary lines in the sand at all..
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Ha Ha! NOPE!
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This conversation is a red herring. It's like asking, "Do you want rapists to have knives?"
Well, let's see... I'm not into denying people knives - it's not my right to do so - but obviously rapists with knives is worse than rapists without them... Why do I feel like this is a trick question?
Because an inseparable aspect of a larger issue is being separated out and evaluated from an absurd perspective. Rape is the problem, not knives.
"Closed borders" is a euphemism for "People with weapons threatening or enacting violence upon presumably innocent people for trying to move across an imaginary boundary". It only becomes "closed borders" in the irrational, erroneous, immoral context of a governmental claim to ownership over a huge area of land that no person (or body of people) legitimately own.
All such "issues" are petty distractions. There is one major issue that's making everything else a confusing mess: the false belief in the non-existent phenomenon called "valid external authority".
In this case, the invalid external authority purporting itself as valid is government. In the "ol' slavery days" the invalid authority was the slave master. It's no different. Voting is just choosing a master; it doesn't validate the authority of the master in any way. No one has a right to inhibit the free movement of innocent individuals - case closed. But to interpret this as an "open border policy" by placing this sane, moral notion in the insane, immoral context of nations and governments is to attempt mixing oil and water.
Then we wonder why something seems amiss and people can't figure out (or at least agree upon) what the right thing to do is. There is no right thing to do in a system that's all wrong. We've got to understand causal factors and why we have the problems we have; not just keep shoveling the shit around and expecting the place to smell better.
I don't have a yay-or-nay opinion on the invalid "policies" of an imaginary "national authority". I have knowledge of moral law. That answers for all; but not if you're going to try to make that beautifully round peg fit in a fucked-up, half-trapezoidal, half-elliptical hole.
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No it isn't.
It is very similar to putting up walls to a house and having a door that you expect visitors or people moving in to come through. It is that simple.
And yes the people in the house likely are ARMED for those that choose to break in, crawl through a window, or otherwise enter uninvited.
To think otherwise is just word play, fantasy, and stupidity.
I like the idea of NOT having STATE borders. Yet I am not naive enough to pretend that because I realized ideally we should not need them I should just take them down and ignore the fact there are those wanting to prey upon this.
You first need to eliminate the danger from predators, parasites, and other negative things that can be stopped by the barrier. If you have eliminated those things then you can talk about it.
Yet then again if you believe in property rights at all that indicates BORDERS. Imaginary or not. We solve a lot of complex problems with imaginary numbers. They matter. Without them Calculus would not exist. So something being imaginary can still have a use.
Many concepts are imaginary and still are actively useful.
Yet if you believe in no borders then you believe in no property.
To which I say go away Communist. I have my property that I create, and it is not your right to simply take it, or anyone else for that matter. Yet the fact I created it only puts an imaginary border around it that indicates it is mine.
I despise communism, and socialism. So trying to convince me that property should not exist is likely to go nowhere unless you can convince me of a way either of them can be accomplished 100% voluntarily.
As to a red herring. You need to go reread what a red herring is. What I wrote certainly was not that.
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I'm not denying the concept of property; in fact, my entire argument is based upon a thorough understanding of that concept.
There is no valid owner of the half-continent called "The United States" (or any other "nation"), and thus no valid defense of its "borders". Each parcel of private property may be validly owned and defended accordingly, but "national borders" imply ownership where none exists. Point to the person who may make this valid claim to ownership - there is none.
The border issue is definitively a red herring, as it distracts from the real causal factors of the issues underlying this discussion. People are being disarmed and encouraged to abdicate their natural responsibility for their own defense - something that can never be, as this responsibility is unalienable.
This is an issue that resides in a previous position along the logical chain that leads to the border dispute. It is causal to "necessity" of border defense, and therefore must be addressed before anything else further down the chain can be considered with any rationality. Any moment spent focused on borders carries the opportunity cost of not addressing the causal factors. Further previous in the chain of causation is the issue of this ubiquitous, false, religious belief in external authority (government) which lies at the foundation of all of this.
There are many such issues that must be adequately resolved before even approaching the topic of borders (which would be obviated long before its would-be appearance if those previous issues were addressed with clarity, making the entire topic entirely moot and not worthy of mention).
National borders are just another divide-and-conquer diversion created by those who benefit from such distractions. Nowhere in this public debate are the real issues brought to the table. Any attention drawn to this decoy is serving the furtherance of man's worldwide enslavement by validating the illusions that make true forward progress toward freedom impossible.
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It's not a question of open or closed borders, but of no more arbitrary lines in the sand at all..
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With the lack of critical thinking and how blindly the masses can be manipulated that is an unrealistic thing to propose today.
You could work towards that. Yet deciding... "Borders Suck, let's not observe" them with how unwilling to be responsible for their choices the masses are is incredibly dangerous and stupid.
It is not only suicidal it is more like being a suicide bomber. You don't like the "arbitrary" lines so you propose we don't have them and all of the emotionally lead masses with poor critical thinking skills are easily swayed on who they should attack, kill, jail, etc. All the while being more than happy to blame their actions on someone else.
So just deciding to DO this without taking steps to prepare for this change is not only suicidal, it is a willingess to see many others potentially killed or harmed so you can virtue signal and imagine the fantasy is real today.
Is it a good long term goal? YES. Definitely. Yet not until the population is reverted to being responsible for their own choices, and have a grasp of critical thinking rather than being blindly lead around by appeals to emotion.
The population would also need to be more symbiotic rather than parasitic. Right now many of them believe other people OWE them, when they don't.
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