@alexbeyman has flagged a post, accusing this of being fraud.
I've copied here a reply I wrote on another post, to @fulltimegeek
I mean this partially light-heartedly, and with an open-mind, yet I am very serious about this. Fraud is not to be taken lightly. Here is my scientific inquiry:
I don't think that this machine makes sense.
It sounds like a free energy scam. I'm very much interested in physics and chemistry, and the idea of plentiful energy is appealing. But how come we don't have one right now, in our car or other appliance that requires a motor?
Who here has one that they own, and can experiment with plentifully?
If this is true, then we require peer review.
Science is not this easily defeated, no matter the current political culture.
We must form a hypothesis, and test it. Where is the hypothesis? Well, I shall answer that.
It's that PDF page, detailing how it is made.
However, science has not yet been done. We must test the hypothesis, and not just one person, but many. If this engine truly works, then let's test it.
I am willing to accept a test engine, and test it. I am incredibly skeptical, and will be harshly honest. If this machine does not perform in a way that seems like it can be upgraded or useful, then I will announce my results.
If it is a machine of value, and does what it claims in a useful way that can provide value for people, then I will announce that as well.
But if this machine is not tested by a wider audience, then it looks to be fraud to me.
Technological invention fraud, which to me, as a technology engineer and scientific minded person, is heresy.
Heresy to be burned, or at least flagged. =p
This will be my first time flagging, unless I am sent a prototype of this engine in the mail.
I do not want anyone to accompany me regarding these tests. I will be able to figure out how it works, and I will do it myself.
I do not want any interference from a third party, other than recommended instructions via video or text.
If it works for me, then I will request one, or my own, to be sent to @alexbeyman, who also posted here.
He will also very likely test it. He is flagging this, and that is a personal power that I do not think he wields often.
And I'm sure you, or others, would like to test this too, but I do not think that it is wise do so before me or @alexbeyman. You are already defending it, so I would like to be the first to receive a prototype, because I know that I will not defend false science or technology.
I think we can also use another volunteer here, if anyone wants to. We will just mail it to each other, or GEET will build more of them for us to use. @geetinstitute will very likely receive the prototype back, once it's done being sufficiently tested, so they don't even need to worry about losing it.
However, there is one absolute term: We will not give any money in order to receive this.
We are doing science here, and we are working beyond monetary profit.
GEET Institute will have to handle all shipping and production costs, and we will pay nothing.
I will not be scammed by a free/cheap energy scheme.
If this test cannot be done by us in a timely manner, then I will declare it fraud.
If this comment doesn't get an adequate reply by @geetinstitute, I will declare it fraud.
I have never flagged anything before, but I will not allow the concept of science, engineering, and invention to be usurped. I will flag this and every post GEET makes if I, or any other volunteers, are not allowed to test the machine. Video proof is not enough. We must perform the experiment.
So let us test the machine, one by one, until we are satisfied.
There is science to be done.
This comment sounds like your trying to score a free motor. This reminds me of the emails that you get when buddy wants to send you 100 million dollars if you give him your bank details lol. I have no proof that this motor design works either however what company in this world sends motors around to people in the mail for free. If you are truly interested in science like you say then use to the plans to fabricate one of these motors and show us it works or that it's garbage. Everything in this world that I haven't personally seen, touched, smelled, tasted or felt is considered hearsay or I could take the word from others and trust.
Do you watch the news? Your answer to this question is all I probably need.
Regards
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https://steemit.com/steemit/@alexbeyman/water-is-not-a-fuel-the-geet-engine-scam
This is mostly likely fraud, and if the inventor cannot allow people to independently test the invention, then it is fraud.
How come it's not used? Why can't I buy them?
They don't exist.
I am a skeptical person, and you should be too, lest you be scammed.
Go ahead. Build their engine on your own. Test it.
Use it in your car. Tell me how it works, after you've held it in your hands, and seen it for yourself, and then actually used it, not just once, but enough to ensure that it's not fraud.
It costs a lot of money for a book and a seminar, but where's the engine?
Who in the world needs a free motor anyways? What in the world would even make you think I want some stupid fake engine? Are you seriously assuming that I want a free motor, over the idea that this is a fraud?
I recommend you don't defend an idea that you don't know is true.
Test it before defending it, lest you look like a fool.
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You never answered my question. Do you watch the news?
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This question is irrelevent, and you are attacking my character, when you should be asking for a sample, so that you can test the motor.
It is not odd to ask for sample technology, if you are a potential investor.
If one motor works, then I would buy 5000 of them, and start to use them.
If these people say that they cannot afford to send one motor to a skeptic, who will then send the motor to other skeptics to confirm that it works, then they are fraudulent.
No one is after a "free motor." There is no reasoning behind this.
That is an absurd claim, and you need to look into your motives here.
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I'm replying only because no reply is rude. I'm bored of this debate. You win. Good bye
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You can ask me that question elsewhere on Steemit, but it will add nothing to my scientific request of receiving a pre-built engine on this particular post.
I am a skeptical person, and when it comes to a machine with dubious theory behind it, it must be tested, not because I want it wrong, but because I want it either right, or declared fraud.
This is science, and nothing more. People should be proud to have their hypotheses tested. It is the very heart of science, so we can discern truth from lie.
I need to test the idea before seeing if it's true, and because the easiest way to test it is to just do it myself, and send it around to some Steem people with high reputations, I can't imagine why it shouldn't be done.
I only expect excuses as to why I cannot ever get my hands on a pre-built, working GEET motor, because it is fraudulent. All that is required is that they build the motor, confirm that it works, send it to me, and then I will test the working motor. If it works.
But I doubt I will ever get one, because they cannot take the risk of actually letting a skeptical outsider test it.
I want to protect people from fraud. Not attack an inventor.
True inventors deserve praise, but frauds are something I abhor, so if you're going to trust something, trust nothing.
Wait until you see the results before coming to a conclusion.
Never assume. Remain vigilant.
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I hope someone does fabricate one of these motors. It would be great for us all.
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Yeah, I just want the truth out.
So far though, I don't think anyone has a motor of their own, so I'm incredibly skeptical. From my time in the investment market, just cryptocurrencies, I learned skepticism pays off.
Faith does not.
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If the motor is built by someone else, they can fall back on the excuse that some piece of their plans was not done to specification. Sending a motor to be verified to a wholly independent source to be thoroughly peer reviewed would allay any fears that it is a scam. Especially since most of these kinds of hucksters - be they trying to sell perpetual motion devices, star charts, or cancer curing water - often refuse to put themselves under the independent investigation of a competent skeptic, because as soon as they do as James Hydrick et al, the free ride is over.
However, I imagine that it doesn't actually matter how many safeguards you placed onto the test, or even how many people verify under stringent and independent conditions that it doesn't work. There will always be another excuse.
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