To begin, I want to say that this is not a religious argument. This is an argument based on pure reason and facts. I would be interested to hear counter-claims, as I am proposing this idea to bring some sanity, and balance, to what has typically been an either/or situation between 'scientists' and 'religious folks'. So with that being said, here we go.
Randomness:
It is often argued, from the religious perspective, that 'God' created the universe, much to the criticism of scientific folks/followers and scientists, or even atheists, themselves. The alternative assumption, therefore, is not that there is an intelligent being guiding creation, but that our current existence is the result of some sort of 'randomness' that began with the explosion of an initial singularity. The scientists' own admission that there was, indeed, a singularity/unity to begin with is actually more in line with the religious perspective, but we'll leave that alone for now. Another issue never addressed but that is central to the BIg Bang Theory (BBT) is the massive amount of energy needed to create the Big Bang in the first place? 'Where did this energy come from?' Such a massive blast of power should be accounted for, yet in current theory it is not. This simple consideration leads to shaky ground for the BBT. With no explanation for an origin to their theory, the very foundation leads back to the existence of some massive force pre-universe. This is yet another spiraling rabbit hole of 'something incredible was here before our universe, so where did THAT come from'. But I digress.
Out of this 'randomness', lots of reactions happened and our universe went through progressive stages of interaction, coalescence, and cooling. Eventually we ended up with what we've got. So far so good. One of my biggest contentions with the BBT is a little thing called The Periodic Table of Elements.
We've all learned what this is from our school days and are all generally familiar with the concept.
From Wikipedia: "The periodic table is a tabular arrangement of the chemical elements, ordered by their atomic number (number of protons), electron configurations, and recurring chemical properties. This ordering shows periodic trends, such as elements with similar behaviour in the same column."
To add a little flavor, it's basically a categorization and organization of all of the elements/base substances that we have found in our universe. Fair enough. There's just one thing..look at the name again..it is the PERIODIC table of elements. Now, my next question is "How can you resolve something that is 'random', like our universe supposedly is, when every primary constituent of it is orderly?" How can everything be 'random' and 'periodic' at the same time? Another strike at the BBT. How have we convinced ourselves, or allowed ourselves to be convinced, of randomness non-sense when everything fits on a nice little table in a periodic manner? What does 'periodic' mean?
Based on that, how can we even entertain the idea that anything is random? In fact, its' regularity and periodicity is how it was discovered in the first place. It is also how we have, accurately, predicted once unknown elements that were later proven to truly exist. Maybe I'm missing something, but nothing about that seems random.
The Whirlwind:
My next contention comes from the consideration of the creation of 'things' themselves. Let's ask ourselves a simple question. If there was a tornado that was swirling through an old junkyard, does anyone reading this believe that it is possible to, for example, get a fully-functional and complete 1957 Chevy out of the wreckage after the storm has passed through it? It sounds absurd, right? Let's take a few more simpler examples. Is it possible to get a pillow by accident? A bottled water? A Timex watch? If not, then how in the world have we been convinced that it is possible to get an entire universe by accident? Again, if you can't get a watch by accident, then how can we get a universe by accident? It makes absolutely no sense, yet we parrot and even defend such a ludicrous idea in the name of 'science' mostly because people with letters behind their names or who come from fancy universities said so. To be honest, when I think back, this is more of a leap of faith than what the religious crowd is proposing. The 'science' seems more faith-based than the religion; though by many, science has been likened to a new form of religion. But we'll leave that alone for now.
A New Way Of Thinking:
I'm not here to promote the idea of a 'God', but I would like to interject a little bit of reason to a debate that has been going on for quite some time and to point out the general, and obvious, flaws of a belief system/set of beliefs that have been ruling the thinking of humanity for quite some time. In the interest of being intelligent and rational humans, we must reject the idea of a BBT as proposed by modern science. Upon closer inspection, it is in fact more unreasonable and requires more faith than the religious alternatives that they often ridicule and attack. Not being able to get a watch, or pretty much anything else, by accident, how and why are we to believe that our entire universe was created in such a fashion? On top of that, how can we support randomness when the constiuant components of our universe itself display properties of regularity and repeated behavior over/through time? Our so-called 'Periodic Table of Elements'.
It appears that we are, indeed, presented with a regularity and order that belies the support for 'randomness theory'. As an aside, when we look at the etymology (study of the roots of words) for 'element', we find something else quite interesting.
'El' is actually a root that means 'God' and is a component of such words as 'elevator', 'elite', 'elect', 'elder', and more. 'Ment' comes from 'mente', which means 'mind'. So are we literally calling elements 'the mind of God'? A hardcore atheist or scientist would emphatically say 'No.', but I'm not so convinced. Was this naming intentional? I have no idea, but in conjunction with our other little thought experiments, it's interesting to consider.
The universe is a strange and mysterious place even from what we have already learned and/or ascertained. From atoms, to giraffes, to stars, planets, galaxies, space, and time, we have no clue where we are, how we got here, the true scale/magnitude of what we're dealing with, and least of all what 'the point' of all of this is. One of the most mysterious questions I have learned to ask myself in recent years is 'Where are we?'. I only hope to bring a little bit more color to the situation and have us all to question what we've been taught/indoctrinated with, much like true scientists ask us to do of 'faith-based religious folks', and to present an alternative viewpoint that is not often heard or circulated.
Enjoy the ride..it's a wild one.
Any and all comments on this subject are appreciated.
I agree with you to a certain extent. I myself an religious and my thing is just as you said. It is ridiculous to say prople belief in a make belief person and yet believe science when many if its claims cannit be seen or felt by us as himan beings. I also believe in science but if someone ridicules my faith I just take the stance that science also takes faith like you pointed out.
Many may not like our opinion though.
Gave you an upvote, resteem and follow. Hope you do the same for me.
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Science
The Big Bang is a good working theory. The Galaxies appear to be flying away from each other at amazing speeds, indicating to some that they may have all started from the same point of origin, although I don't believe anyone has identified the actual area of the point.
Remember too that "Time" was not initially present in the immediate aftermath of the proposed Big Bang, so the actual age of the universe would be off, as time did not exist, as we understand it.
Only a fool could look at the universe and explain it away as a random and accidental event, etc. Order is everywhere you look, as is apparent chaos.
The actual beginning of the universe may not be knowable, as we likely can never observe the entire universe and can only guess at things like dark matter and dimensions we know are there, but can not experience.
Religion
Religion has no place in science, period. All Earth religions are the creation of their respective cultures and are entirely man-made. There is no "True Faith". and no "Truth Revealed by God".
Millions of people have lost their lives trying to promote their "Truth and "Peace" by killing non-believers. This continues to this day. The sad irony of this is not lost on modern minds.
The Christian religion has a long history of trying to co-op or influence/suppress science . Men of Science who were judged "Heretics" and put their lives at risk for science, is one example of that behavior.
In modern times, we have the "Creationists" and the false science they seek to impose on others, usually with some governmental assistance. This needs to be resisted.
People have the freedom to believe whatever they want, even if it is really stupid. Christians should heed the words of their savior when it comes to Science:
Matthew 22:21 - "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's" - Attributed to Joshua ben Joseph, whom the Greeks of Alexandria renamed "Jesus".
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I agree with you on a few points.
I think there are a few more theories that are actually superior to the BBT as we receive it like Walter Russell's special periodic table and cosmology or even Dan Winter (www.fractalfield.com) and his proven physics of implosion, as opposed to explosion. But for a litany of reasons, these ideas don't get the mainstream attention that they deserve. But that is a conversation for another time.
Yes, religion has been used to wage war, kill, control, and suppress alternative viewpoints, much like modern science, but whose counting? 🙃
I'm not saying that the adherents or proponents of religion are all correct, but let's take a step back. 'Religion' is composed of 're ~ to do again' and 'ligare ~ to yoke, bond, or tie'. So in earnest, 'religion' means to 'reyoke, rebind, or retie'. The next obvious question is 'To what?' This is at the heart of 'religion', regardless of how it is practiced or propogated.
I heard somewhere once that science without religion is dead, and that religion without science is lame. The shortcoming seems to be in us humans, and not the idea or ideals of 'optimized religion'.
Another quote that I like: I think that's the nature of a more evolved species . . . they finally figure out that science and religion converges into cosmology. That understanding the universe in which we live, also causes us to understand ourselves -- which is the purpose of religion and science . . . or at least should be. ~ Dr. Anderson (The Labyrinth Group)
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"The Christian religion has a long history of trying to co-op or influence/suppress science ."
Let's not forget that it was the monasteries that created the university system, that still stands today, and taught the trivium and quadrivium, preserving throughout the medieval age the system of critical thinking that is currently used to denigrate it's early proponents. What you refer to as negative religious influence was in actuality political influence hiding behind religion to covertly exercise its will in order to keep any paradigm shifts from unseating them from the throne. Much like the globalist of today hide behind environmentalism to promote their schemes to institute taxes and control resources. The university system was hijacked in the 20th century by political elitist like Bertrand Russell and Aldous Huxley who promoted their globalist agenda that viewed the populous as cattle to be managed and culled through eugenics. There is plenty of blame to go around, so to lay it all at the feet of religion is partisan and disingenuous.
Also, using mockery is okay if you are a comedian trying to entertain a room full of drunks, but in a serious discussion where two sides are trying to have a respectful and mature discussion it comes off as juvenile. When one understands that most scientific research doesn't get funding unless it supports a specific agenda and that there are various competing scientific theories on the nature of reality, one comes to understand that sometimes science requires just as much faith as religion.
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Well said. 👍
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Spiral out!
Seriously though, all my life I've been skeptical of the "sudden boom" and here we are. It's pretty cool seeing the development and discoveries that are leading us into more knowledge, more theories, and eventually more laws. Or even just modify existing theories and laws.
Ride the spiral to the end, you may just go where you've never been
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Cool! I follow you. +vote
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