This morning, while scrolling through my facebook feed (yes, yes I know, don’t crucify me), I encountered an article about how food-deprived mice feel less inflammatory pain. That caught my attention.
Inflammatory pain is the pain that happens when something in your body is inflamed (as the name suggests), which is usually connected to immune cells doing their job. Another kind of pain is acute pain, which is, for example, you, stepping on a Lego. It’s not something you experience over a prolonged amount of time. At least in most cases. I don’t know how long your walks on Lego usually last.
Anyway, in the study, they tested the response of mice to inflammatory pain and acute pain, either food deprived or fed. What they found was, that hungry mice didn’t react to inflammatory pain as much as on-hungry ones. In contrast, acute pain caused them to take longer to start eating when offered food again1.
These findings are an interesting example for how mice, and humans most likely too, prioritize without even realizing it. A sudden pain might indicate immediate danger, from which an animal has to get away as fast as possible, no thoughts should be wasted on food. But inflammatory pain? That can last for days, in bad cases even weeks. It shouldn’t keep you from eating or you’ll surely starve. @suesa
One reason for the decreased inflammatory pain response appears to be neuropeptide Y1, which generally serves as a signal to eat. If you’re interested in how exactly your appetite is controlled by hormones, check out my post on Hunger Hormones from about three months ago.
But how does this knowledge help us in any way? I mean, great, if you’re hungry, it’s not so bad that the gunshot wound on your leg got infected, but what else?
That’s not a common problem? Oh.
Well, “inflammatory pain” can be more than just “I got an infection”. Rheumatoid arthritis is an inflammatory pain too!
And there have been studies which show, that short-term fasting can improve rheumatoid arthritis, as well as for the treatment of chronic pain and stress 2. Especially when followed by a vegetarian or lacto-vegetarian diet, the effects can be lasting. Of course, just fasting once in a while doesn’t heal you, medical treatment is still needed. But it can help improve the general condition – as long as one sticks to a certain diet after fasting. 3
But that’s the usual problem, isn’t it? People fast or diet, reach the desired result, and then fall back into old eating patterns, just to wonder why they gain weight or why their old symptoms come back.
If you don’t suffer from something like rheumatoid arthritis, you might still consider fasting once in a while (only after properly informing yourself on how to do it, of course. Don’t just stop eating.), because it appears to increase the availability of serotonin, endogenous opioids and endocannabinoids 4, 5.
Especially the endocannabinoid system serves to mediate pain, specifically inflammatory pain6, in our bodies. Based on this, it’s not surprising that chronic pain seems to lessen when we’re hungry. (For more info on the endocannabinoid system, check out my post Sex, Drugs, and Neurotransmitters).
But.
But.
There’s always a but. From an evolutionary view, it wouldn’t make any sense to associate the lack of food only with reduced pain and a state of euphoria. We humans, and all other animals would just stop eating. After all, it’d decrease our tolerance to chronic and inflammatory pain, right?
That’s the point where the hormone leptin comes in (also referenced in the “Hunger Hormones” post).
Leptin is supposed to suppress our desire for food, which means dropping levels of it cause us to be hungry. Humans and mice that are insensitive to leptin tend to be obese, while the leptin levels in patients with anorexia nervosa are incredibly low. The decrease of leptin is triggered by the loss of fat mass, but also short-term fasting, which generally doesn’t lead to weight loss. 7
Interestingly, low leptin levels seem to also lead to an almost hyperactive need for movement, which can be observed in cases of anorexia nervosa. Now, many of the patients exercise more to lose weight, but the same effects can be observed in mice too, which suggests at least some influence by the hormone. 8
But how does that all fit together? How does it make any sense?
Leptin positively influences the immune system, which means a lack of it leads to a weaker immune system. But! Inflammatory pain is usually caused by immune cells. Downregulating leptin can thus downregulate the activity of the cells in question and reduce inflammatory responses and, as a result, inflammatory pain. 9
As always, it’s not easy to draw conclusions applicable to our normal life from this. Should you fast from time to time? Should you avoid it? What food should you eat?
I can’t give you definite answers, it all depends on you, your body and your goals. If you’re generally healthy, you can just test what feels best. If you suffer from a disease, consult your doctor before trying out any extreme things to “cure” yourself. That can lead to more damage than you might expect.
Stay curious, stay informed. Don’t make dumb, uninformed decisions.
Sources:
1 A Neural Circuit for the Suppression of Pain by a Competing Need State
3 Controlled trial of fasting and one-year vegetarian diet in rheumatoid arthritis
6 Endocannabinoids and pain: spinal and peripheral analgesia in inflammation and neuropathy
8 Elevated Physical Activity and Low Leptin Levels Co-occur in Patients with Anorexia Nervosa
9 Serum leptin in rheumatoid arthritis
Fasting is great! Pain should be viewed as something to be learnt and not feared. Pain is life. If we can embrace pain, we will most certainly be progressing a lot faster.
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So, you upvote your comment, but not the post? I don't think your comment was that brilliant, especially because it has barely anything to do with the post. But looking at your voting behavior, that's what you always seem to do: always upvoting yourself but not the post you comment on.
Disgusting.
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So people with anorexia nervosa have low Leptin levels, which should make them feel very hungry, but they still manage to resist eating. Is that due mostly to an extreme aversion to food and a very strong will?
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Usually due to the fact that it's a mental disorder. Those really fuck you up.
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interesting blog, as you indicate the fast can work in all the opportunities and alternatives of the case, as what is said eat healthy things, like everyone for what we eat, really are very certain words, if we eat carbohydrates and many fats, We will develop many diseases, including arthritis.
now, it captures my attention as you introduce your topic in how the deprived mice of food feel less inflammatory pain, throughout the reading you intertwine your main idea, without losing the thread of the article, really very interesting topic, and the more you read but you want to read.
I make the words that you repeat over and over again, before making a decision about whether to fast or it is not necessary to visit the doctor, lest there be any other difficulty in the organism and the situation worsen. thank you for sharing your point of view, a warm greeting from venezuela
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I really don't trust this kind of "creative, extreme, natural" healing methods. But I have heard actually pretty great things about fasting. Maybe I'll try it out sometime.
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Always inform yourself well before doing something drastic like this tho. Fasting can easily turn unhealthy.
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Maybe.
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Didn't find any research on the emotional pain thing so I didn't include it. And for the other stuff, I think you need to clarify a bit what you mean. Optionally in a message.
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Nice article Suesa, I have come across some examples of the benefits of fasting, I would like to try for a prolonged period when the time is right. As a student it can be an easy thing to fast being skint, but there is of course a difference in fasting and not eating much. It's no good fasting and just eating beans on toast haha, we need the vitamins and nutrients also.
One thing I'm curious about is why we get hunger pains, sometimes when i'm waiting for food to finish I get big hunger pains just before eating that sometimes me me feel sick.
Anyway thanks for the informative post :D
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You can try the 16-8 way of fasting. It is a bit easier than a full 24 hours and some people find it very helpful. You fast for 16 hours a day and eat for 8 hours. So from 8:00pm-12:00 noon the following day you would fast and the hours in between you can eat. Smaller meals more often rather than one or two massive meals during those eight hours might help those stomach pains you were talking about!
Give it a shot for one day a week for a month and see how you feel! It isn't for everyone but you won't know until you try it :)
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Hey, thanks for that advice, that was nice of you. It's actually a good idea, the problem I have is high metabolism i'll arrive to 1'oclock and be starving again haha.
I may just give it a try anyway haha. Thanks a lot :)
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There's certainly a reason for hunger pains, which I don't know from the top of my head.
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Hunger pains otherwise know as hunger pangs are caused by the strong contractions of an empty stomach.
When the stomach is empty, it contracts, this contractions causes pain and its a way of telling our body we need to eat.
However hunger pangs don't always mean a need to eat. For example when i am scared, i get these hunger pangs.
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It's ok, but I'm sure you know that "a hungry man is an angry man" :p
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Hi, very nice article; in the past I regularly practiced fasting cleansing, I did not eat for almost 48 hours (obviously I drank in abundance), I confess that I felt well and very fit. For a practical speech I do it less, but I think I will continue with continuity. thanks for the nice post and congratulations again! I will follow with curiosity your next articles ... sorry the bad English :-)
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I think this is great information for people that are looking to try other ways of eating or different diets. Every person is different and there isn't a cookie-cutter way of eating that works for everyone. I have clients that have tried fasting and hate it and I have had others that have tried it and love it!
What I am saying is, give it a shot! Your body will let you know pretty damn quick if a diet works for you haha
(I have also had clients that were hungry and a gunshot wound on their leg got infected... hahaha Happens to everyone's clients right?)
Awesome post, funny and full of information! :)
Obviously an up vote and a follow from me! :)
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Were they shot because they were so hungry that they tried to rob a grocery store? :P
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How did you know!?
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I agree with @annemariemay -I appreciate the informativeness of this post too.
I've heard something about the benefits of fasting previously, but this was very comprehensive post and gave loads of new info. If you know anything about the disadvantages that fasting has when it comes to e.g. metabolism (the changes in energy levels etc.), it would be great to read about them!
Fun fact: my friend has tried fasting multiple times and I think his motto is "Cucumber and water makes you feel fucking great!" (He also drinks large amounts of Pepsi Max when his fasting, so I don't trust his expertise on this matter…)
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I don't think there's much you can't elaborate scientifically. This has helped me understand more and more about my own body and I can never thank you enough for that. I have never known my going on hunger strikes sometimes (I usually procrastinate eating with for no good reason at all) can be helpful to my own body.
Science is extremely interesting... :)
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I'm just curious. Considering it was the first analogy you came up with, were you playing with Legos as a kid?
How long is short-term fasting? Is it hours or days?
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Ofc I played with legos as a kid!
And, well, the publications differ. 24 hours seems to be the most common, there's also 72 hours. One of them talks about restricted calorie intake (ca. 500 kcal a day) for 7 to 21 days.
Fasting that exceeds 24 hours shouldn't be done without medical supervision, imo.
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I would've thought one feel pain when hungry. I know the kind of pain I felt growing up when I stay a whole five hours without food. Interesting subject.
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Well, you do feel pain, inflammatory pain is just reduced
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Oh, that is a good trade-off, I guess arthritic patient may welcome that temporary relief when the hunger comes.
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What you felt then @greenrun were hunger pangs. I think i might just write on this.
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Great post. On top of the effects of leptin fasting down regulates mTOR and upregulates FOXO which is also anti inflammatory .
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Great article @suesa - anecdotally (i.e. this works for me,) I find the 16-8 intermittent fasting the easiest to work into my life style. I go from 12 midnight - 4 pm each day (again, this works for me). And I have found that knee joint and shoulder joints seem to have less ongoing pain related to arthritis. I do ensure that I eat accordingly and get my calories that i need with fruits, veggies, and proteins, etc. during the "eating" period. Again, to each their own. What works for one person may not work for others and this is completely anecdotal. The science base is there ... seems like there were some seriously restrictive caloric intakes on some of the studies. I'm not sure if I can compare my intermittent fasting with the studies, but my personal account with fasting seems to be that is reduces ongoing inflammation. However, I did not know there was a connection to fasting until your post... was doing it mostly to maintain the "dad" bod. :-)
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Lol, Where I'm from, whenever you are fasting, it literallly means You're conducting a prayer also.. Fasting goes err'where prayer goes.
This article thus seem much explained as you pointed out fasting does not heal, drugs does, it only aid recuperation.
Lets assume an ignorant man is sick, he decided to fast and pray while also using his drugs. He gets healed earlier than he expected. All he instantly believes is that his prayers were answered 😂😂 thats where I'm from.
PS: am not in any way against miracle/religion oh. Just saying Nature/Science deserves some credence.
About Leptin, we coined a quote for it in my class then "Whenever your leptin level rises, you'll stop eating" lol
Thanks for the post.. Gained something.
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You're very much right @donaldpete
That's the believe we have most times....
I also belong to that category but now I have to decrease my meal to twice per day, Brunch and Dinner... Takes Brunch between 12pm and 2pm, the Dinner around 7pm and 8pm.... And my health status have changed since then...
It's not a matter of not having what to eat, cos that is what some people would think... But for longetivity of life....
Great comment
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I like how much you can relate to this.
Lol. This meal course of yours only happens to me when am in school.
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Awwwwww..... Thank you so much dear
But yours must have been a very long time ago
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So if lower levels of Leptin suppress the immune system, and my seasonal allergies are a result of my immune system overreacting to pollen, then intermittent fasting in theory could help with that too. I may have to try it this spring. Thanks for the info!
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That's a bold statement, haven't read anything on that yet. Please report your findings 😁
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Another article on why fasting is good for the body. Well, I have always been an advocate for fasting at least once in a week.
Quite educating, I must say. Well done suesa
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Hmm good information for me. I know I have arthritis but dont think its rheumatoid but I havent really delved into further other than the doctor saying he could see it on the xray of my spine. Fingers and most other joints are fine but it really messes with my back so guess I really should start to do more to take care of it because i have been neglecting it a long time. Thanks for the post its a good start.
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Fasting... hmmmm. I don't know... Probably when you will visit us in Paris, we'll all fast together (or not) :D
More seriously, I have read that fasting once in a while is good, as you tend to say, but in a controlled manner :)
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I know that domestic animals stop eating while they are ill (no matter what the illness is), but I had no idea it was so directly related to inflammation.
It's nice to know.
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Great information suesa...unlike me, I love fasting...it helps me lot..at least I don't have much urge for food..like you said, it depends on the individual and the problem. People should not kill themselves fasting to treat themselves of what can kill them..Wisdom is needed
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You love fasting? 😯
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Yes brother, it is part of my spiritual exercise.
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This is one of the other interesting parts for me. Fasting as a spiritual exercising.
Now I think it could be related to the opioids and endocannabinoids maybe? @suesa
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Maybe
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Interesting information
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Perhaps it is not directly related to what the subject is trying to tell, but if you are suffering from gastric ulcer disease, the amount of acid going to stomach decreases as you do not eat, so the pain is reduced accordingly. When food is reduced in the same way, if you exhibit a high activity of movement, the load on the heart is reduced and the tension-related headaches and stenocardia-related pain are diminishing. Likewise, if you eat heavy meals last day, you know well the pain your intestines have caused to you the next day. All of this can be explained as food-dependent pain, which can be explained differently from inflammatory pain.
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That was a good read, dear @suesa. Leptin is an interesting compound which is released by the fat cell to signal the brain that we're full. I've always known the role of leptin in obesity, I've written a few articles about it, but from your article, I learned that leptin could affect the immune system. Thank you for the beautiful article.
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good information
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What I know is that fasting is intentional while starving is not. Therefore, should there be pain it is often during starving but not during fasting. This is so because, with fasting the mind and body are prepared and made away that there is going to be no food for a while while with starving, it is usually due to lack of availability of food when the tummy needs it there by sending signals to the brain for interpretation which leads to pains.
Your article enlightened me and I'm glad I read it. Good work @suesa
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Your body doesn't magically "know" if you're fasting or starving. It only notices the absence of food, even when you're prepared.
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OK. I get that
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Not that I want to be "that guy,"... but nowhere in your article is it suggested that it might very we be the actual food being used during the experiment that could have caused the inflammatory responses. After being obsessed with health related content for years I have seen that most disease (like Hippocrates believes) starts in the gut and that is due to the unnatural reactions that occur from the unnatural foods. In intermittent fasting, the body is able to be, for once, free from the food load that it is constantly bogged down with. I'm not saying that the reason that the lab rats who fasted had less inflammatory response from their poor diet, but I do believe that it could be a factor to consider.
By the way, I love your sense of humor in your posts. I think yo do great work! Keep it up :)
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In the very first experiment with the mice, the inflammation was artificially induced. They didn't test the amount of inflammation but the reaction to it. Huge difference.
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Oh, I understand. Sorry for the confusion.
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So fasting might help with arthritis too?
I swear if this weren't you writing this, @suesa, I'd be a lot more skeptical than I am. I keep hearing that fasting is some kind of "miracle cure" for all sorts of things now.
Just a little while ago I read that there was some study where people who did some pseudo-fasting diet apparently fixed their diabetes.
It's really starting to sound like the new "trendy" health thing.
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Oh, there are health benefits associated with fasting - if you have health issues. And only the right issues, and only if done right. It's like gluten: if you're allergic to it, not eating it will make you A LOT better. For everyone else, it doesn't matter much.
The thing with fasting is, that it has a systemic impact and thus influences many things, especially blood sugar. And there are plenty of people with one problem or another that can be influenced by fasting.
And thus, people declare it the new miracle cure for everything. Which is dumb.
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Interesting information, I didn't know about the role of leptin. What I am concerned about is the fact that sudden or extreme fasting results in hormonal imbalances and metabolic syndrome. When deprived of food, our bodies feel threatened and try to survive by slowing down metabolism in order to be able to store all available food. This decreases cortisol binding proteins which increases serum cortisol and in turn contributes to insulin resistance and metabolic syndrome. A way for the body to retain food is by producing more of the rT3 hormone, which is essentially the "reverse" of thyroid hormone T3.
Apart from the fact that one will be gaining weight much easier in the future due to the metabolic syndrome, excess rT3 will block the regular T3 receptors and prevent its absorption in the body, causing thyroid issues as well.
So although I don't disagree with the fact that fasting reduces inflammatory pain, I would advice practitioners to be cautious and take their time for the body to adjust.
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Fasting as opposed to the expected give some sort of energy. It trains the body to cope without food. For me, I do take out my Mondays and Thursdays to fast (Yh, kinda religious) and it somehow keeps me fit and I'm more active at work on days I fast.
However, one must be conscious of not "starving" oneself and should "know how to fast"
Nice article ma'am..I love the simplicity.
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Why is it called fasting??.. It should be more of starving or food deprivation... Just thinking.
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I do not know if the fast is good or bad, what if it is that if I skip breakfast I get feelings of anguish, dizziness, my head hurts and I want to eat half humanity .. hahaha and my stomach cries out to eat. that for me is painful ... not hurt hurts and ucho..excellent post .. I support you.
I invite you to visit my profile .. and if it seems to you vote .. Thank you.
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Wow, this post helped me know that there's something called hormone leptin "the hunger hormone". Keep it up. We're all learning.
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Oh my God, very interesting information. I had not heard that studios, I will search more about that. Thanks for awakening my curiosity with this. Regards.
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Thanks for this piece @suesa
I'm combining my two comments...
The belief that whenever you are fasting, it literallly means You're conducting a prayer also.. Fasting goes err'where prayer goes.
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Wow, it is interesting as you wrote how we humans prioritize without even noticing it. I think it is some kind of evolutionary safety measure whereby when faced with imminent danger, your body doesn't have to wait for you to think for a way out before reacting.
Great engaging post @suesa. Definitely learnt from it. Keep up the good work.
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I really love this comment....
The Only time the body tells you about a way out is the only time when things have gotten out of hand.... When it is now a must to do or carry out palliative remedies...
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I read a lot of your posts and disagree with many of them. Anyway - everybody has his (or her) own view of things and it is never a bad idea to be critical.
In this post you explained an important topic in a really good way.
Thank you.
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Bin mir jetzt nicht ganz sicher, wie man publizierten Papern "nicht zustimmen" kann. Für meine wissenschaftlichen Posts gebe ich immer die Quellen an.
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Ich habe dir Unrecht getan und bin zwischendurch über einen resteem auf einem anderen Blog gewesen...
Schande über mich.
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Shit happens
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Wow, such spam
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And is so not the point of the post.. Which you didn't read. Thus making this spam.
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ahahahahaha what the heck
EDIT: ohhh; I get it, he was talking about the picture at the top... i guess that means I didn't pay enough attention to your post and my comment is therefore also spam :(
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Totally. Flagged.
:P
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