Just how smart are animals? Are they self aware? Do they know who they are?
Recently in reply to a remark on an excellent post by @williambanks @shiri45 said
Self Awareness is an emergent property of a sufficiently complex network" The interesting thing in that statement is first of all, what you are stating is a variation of functionalism, but while functionalism is about consciousness, you talk about,self-awareness, which is a higher level than consciousness.
For something to be conscious, it's enough to have sensations. Any type of sensation. Consider a dog. They have consciousness, but probably no self-awareness. Or an insect. Can it feel pain? If it can, it is conscious.
Emergence is a very problematic term. It is a mystical concept that doesn't really explain anything at all. There is nothing in the description of material processes that explain mental processes. The magical word emergence doesn't solve anything, and the mystery is how we can have any subjective experience at all, no matter what if this experience is of a simple physical sensation or higher cognitive processes like self-awareness.
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I cohabitant with cats.
LeRoy
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and
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Bubba
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are my two main men.
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I live with them 24/7.
I have since they were kittens.
When I was truckin they were in the truck with me.
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Now that I'm retired
Bubba doesn't get more than ten foot away from me
if he can.
When I go to sleep he's under the bed.
When I go outside on the patio
he's whining at the door.
Right now he's at my left elbow
on a table watching the door behind us.
he's the sentry...he's looking out for me.
Bubba's my friend,
but LeRoy considers me to be his meal ticket.
Not much more.
He's friendly, especially when he's hungry, which is frequent.
he want petting and cuddling, Bubba, not so much.
In fact Bubba would pretty much that I didn't touch him
But he's always at my side.
LeRoy is in it for the food.
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Seriously Though.
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There's SOMETHING going on in their little cold blooded minds.
They are NOT human in the least so don't Anthropomorphize them
but they are self aware.
Each one has a unique personality.
Live long enough with one and you will know it.
The same with dogs....only different.
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I know from experience I've raised
Muscovy Ducks
source
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Guinea Fowl
Source
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not to mention geese, chickens, pigs, a pony, calves, sheep, goats, guinea pigs and hamsters.
(yes...sheep ARE that dumb)
Dog and cats , in my experience are NOT just little humans in furry coats.
They're living, breathing THINKING entities in their own right.
As for some of the other animals.
Just barely.
Some are quite bright.
Some....not so much.
Scientists have studied, observed , hypothesized and they came up with
The Encephalization Quotient
Species Encephalization quotient (EQ)[1]
Human 7.4–7.8
Tucuxi 4.56
Bottlenose dolphin 4.14
Orca 2.57–3.3
Chimpanzee 2.2–2.5
Rhesus monkey 2.1
Elephant 1.13–2.36
Chinchilla 1.34
Dog 1.2
Squirrel 1.1
Cat 1.00
Horse 0.9 I had a Welsh Pony when my son was young...mean little Bastard. (The pony...not my son)
By my observation this is some kind of dividing line. Critters above it are pretty smart. Self aware to an increasing degree. Those below it? Nope..dumb as a rock. I've raised sheep. They're born looking for a place to die. Perhaps it's a predator/ prey thing. How smart does a critter have to be to sneak up on a leaf?
Sheep 0.8
Mouse 0.5
Rat 0.4
Rabbit 0.4
Dogs are pretty bright. Australian Shepard especially. My wife's grandfather owned a dairy. In his declining years he had problems getting around. He had an Australian Shepard. All he had to do was tell the dog "go get the cows" and the dog would do it. The dog knew what it was doing.
Google is your friend....or buy a dog
This would be his great, great, great grandson and our grand puppy.
Boston terriers are pretty smart too. Stoney is the third one I've direct experience with. The First was Buster was my first wife's dog when she was a little girl. He lived to be almost twenty. The second was Mudge who was my wife's pet . Mudge grieved herself to death when my wife died...she would NOT be consoled.
So yeah. Some Animals are self aware. Some DO have personality. They're not people but there is definitely some there there.
Yarn
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Thank you for this charming and thoughtful post,(upvoted and resteemed) and for highlighting my comment! I just want to clarify what I meant by using wikipedia:
I believe that dogs and cats are aware of their own existence in the way that it relates to others, that is to say, they have physical needs, and I believe also emotional needs. They are aware of others as separate entities, and aware of themselves as separate entities, and they are capable of some kind of logical reasoning, which has been clearly demonstrated in experiments.
However, they do not think verbally, and the do not reflect on their own existence, which is what we normally mean by self-awareness.
But their might be a more basic level.
Consider, as a thought experiment, that you are looking out the window. Suddenly you become aware of yourself as the person sitting there, looking out the window. This is the basic level of self-awareness, a kind of proto-self awareness, something that those who have tried meditation is intimately familiar with. I doubt that most animals are capable of this, but we don't know.
Certainly they don't take the step further, and start reflecting on their own existence.
However, you can have a complex psyche, and emotional connections with others without this self awareness.
Are babies self aware?
I think that they probably are not.
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Thank you.
You said
However, they do not think verbally,
to which I would say.
how do you know that?
two thoughts on that.
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I once winked at my girlfriend's cocker spaniel, and she winked back.
There was something very deliberate about it, and I never got her to do it again.
I think she enjoyed watching me try.
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