RE: Large-scale socialism is ultimately harmful to a society

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Large-scale socialism is ultimately harmful to a society

in socialism •  8 years ago  (edited)

Oh no problem!

I explain it by myself later on. But I have a little time left to explain why you are wrong, @docpaul.

Basically in your posting about what is hamful for society you've started the standard model showing the right of a small elite to steal the peoples money. You've done it by whipping off a set of classic wild cards, beloved tools in the meritocracy's bluff.

  • Shrink society into a class of 30.
  • Tell 'em you are not talking about black and white.
  • Talk about socialism and capitalism instead.
  • Avoid the the terms conscience, Enlightenment, oligarchy and feudalism.
  • Avoid the the designation of rapacity or greed.
  • Make the spectators believe rich is the same as wise. Just substitute lazy and rich with.
  • Show how freedom is lost by stopping the greed. But for heaven's sake don't call it greed!

A class of 30 doesn't show the complexity of a whole system of 300 Mill. people at all. Yes I know, you know it. This model doesn't work even when you sweep some dropping zeros under the table. It is the first mistake, and not one guy should follow you by this everlasting unauthorized simplification.

Making nice little mental models by picking out lables like socialism and capitalism, is a very good trick too, guiding the truth into the direction of your hidden selfish apology. Your own believes are always guided by your particular interests. No doubt about. Mine too. But we are not facing just social problems with rich on one side and poor on the other. We are are facing problems with a small group which takes it all, including the whole sphere, and leaving the majority of people feeded by handouts. Do you feel it Doc? How wrong you are.

It has been always the word and in the beginnig there has been the word only. You know how the game works. Excuse me when I doesn't ram reality into your happy little system of boxes and labelism. But you should know it: shrinking a complex society into the brave ones and the rotten lazy ones is also a battered old hat like deviding people to control them. Society has gone along confidently since the days of Enlightement (at least the french revolution) and lately since hippies occured on the plan, you have to deal with people not believing your little tricky linguistic prestidigitator games any more.

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"But we are not facing just social problems with rich on one side and poor on the other. We are are facing problems with a small group which takes it all, including the whole sphere, and leaving the majority of people fed by handouts." Agreed. The reason why the small group of elites are SO much wealthier/more powerful is a lack of education/development of intelligence in the general population. And the reason that we are failing at that is because of socialistic aspects of our society such as "welfare," public education, and insurance of every type. Damage being done by the "food," medicine/"health care," and alcohol industries amplifies the problem.

As for conscience, that is a nice pipe dream but it's not even remotely necessary for the optimization of a society. Incentive. IN-CEN-TIVE. Basic human behavior. A higher (and appropriately so) value of intelligence will naturally fall into place when we aggressively minimize every socialistic aspect of our society.

"It has been always the word and in the beginning there has been the word only." Are you referring to the Bible here? Honestly Christians are SO FUCKING DUMB. They have 90% of all of the most important things figured out perfectly, yet they hang on to a shitty, unsubstantial 10% which alienates the masses and weakens their credibility. All of this just to maintain "power." Idiots.

"A class of 30 doesn't show the complexity of a whole system of 300 Mill. people at all." Shrinking to a size of 30 (actually, 5) demonstrates that even in a small group socialism is a problem. However, in a small group there are inherent mechanisms that can deal with these problems to an extent. The mechanisms become significantly less-effective even at a class size of 30, and futile at 300 or 300 million.

Should I draw you a picture?