RE: Large-scale socialism is ultimately harmful to a society

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Large-scale socialism is ultimately harmful to a society

in socialism •  8 years ago 

Of course including this system, it would be better than anything out there now but still would not be perfect, and you know why? Because of human nature we are a greedy and envious race and I think sometimes we would rather be down the crapper ourselves than see someone making it good.
As for your article, it's about the same thing of course socialism doesn't work, nothing works, look at capitalism, feudalism, communism, monarchism all of them have one thing in common, the people at the top take advantage of the majority at the bottom. How? They control production, have a big army and that's it. And lately it has gotten even worse, we had a more equitable society after WWII with a growing middle class, but then new policies started coming out like neoliberalism and all of a sudden the new middle class are the poor and we have an incredible amount of billionaires who have taken advantage of a lot of loopholes, and this is all over the world, I'm from Honduras a very poor country and even we have our billionaire and a few others who are close to getting there, but our middle class has disappeared most of us are only poor. Same thing all over Latin America, and it's not a left- right thing it's an us vrs them (with them being the elites) and they are beating the crap out of us.

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  ·  8 years ago (edited)

"...it's not a left- right thing it's an us vs. them (with them being the elites) and they are beating the crap out of us." I agree with this SOOOOOOOOOOOOO much. Almost completely correct. The reason why the small group of elites are SO much wealthier/more powerful is a lack of education/development of intelligence in the general population. And the reason that we are failing at that is because of socialistic aspects of our society such as "welfare," public education, and insurance of every type. Damage being done by the "food," medicine/"health care," and alcohol industries amplifies the problem. Here's how I see it: the nation is mostly split 50/50 rep vs dem. The dem half are completely mislead and there is Nothing good there. Eliminate that and you have the rep party. This is a good start, with some good things and bad things and a lot of stuff worth contemplating and voting on. But the dem half needs to become only a shameful memory in American history much like the slavery from which it was born.

"...human nature...we are a greedy and envious race..." My solution to limit the adverse effects of greed is to impose a cap on the size that a business can reach. Google can be an exception ;-)

Capitalism doesn't work? Where does it exist? Where has it ever existed?? Who cares, just analyze the theory and see that everything will eventually fall into place.

You are oversymplifying this, your problem is you are centering this in the US, and you wrongly believe Republicans are spot on, this is not so, they are just as guilty as any other political party in the world all of them put their own interests before those of the people they supposedly represent, in their heads all that matters is power for themselves. That is why I tell you they are beating the crap out of us because we are seeing the enemy as friends, every politician is your enemy regardless of who he or she is. For example you right there state that half of the population of your country is deluded, problem is the other half thinks exactly the same thing about you, and the funny thing is both sides are deluded.
And this is happening all over the world, in Europe, Asia, Africa everywhere.
Take Brexit, what did it achieve, I'll tell you what, a division so deep in British society that probably it will take decades to cool down, and this over a referendum which right now no one really knows what it was about.

You and I are Very much on the same page. I agree that the war between the two major political parties is insignificant compared to the (unacknowledged) war between all of the minions and the small group of elite. Absolutely. I'd like to hear more about your thoughts on this, but maybe on another post that one of us makes (or maybe you have already made).

However, I will still defend all of the above. I did not say that Republicans are spot on, or anything of the nature. I did say, and can prove, that Democrats/liberalism is "spot off." It's completely misguided. Good intentions prima facie, destructive results just a couple steps down the road.

So why do I speak out against it when, as we agree, the bigger fight is against a common enemy? Because liberalism/Democrats/socialism is a cancer that is weakening us. I believe that it was contrived by genius specifically to make us easier to enslave and extract from. It will take a multi-faceted approach to make a dent in the enemy's defenses.

Lastly, yes I am focusing on my (US) society. Gotta start somewhere. And we are well-positioned to have global impact.