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The Socialist Poverty Formula

steemnomadic (25) in socialism • 7 years ago

If the means of production must be forcibly taken from the current owner(s) in order to be controlled by the “workers”, then that is a forcible transfer of wealth. If it occurs in a widespread fashion, it fits with the definition provided.

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7 years ago by steemnomadic (25)

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anarchyhasnogods (68) · 7 years ago (edited)

the means of production are only controlled by an outside force through the power of the state. Without a state capitalism immediately falls away. The basis of capitalism is offensive violence, to keep the control of the means of production out of the hands of the workers and instead in the hands of the "capitalist".

Its not a forcible transfer of wealth, but a returning of control. Worker control of the means of production is based on defensive violence
There are many ways to do it, and none are through "the state". The closest is what some define as a "workers' state", which is only brought to power through revolution and is only loosely defined as a state. (Many authoritarians call anarchy a workers state, for example.)

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nonationnoborder (52) · 7 years ago

In the Paris commune, all the owners fled and abandoned their businesses and workplaces; after which the workplaces were collectivized and compensation was common for business owners who lost their business and returned.

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