Overpopulation 9.7 billion humans on Earth by 2050

abitcoinskeptic (73) in socialscience • 6 years ago (edited)

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zuerich (61) · 6 years ago

This sounds great for our currently underpopulated earth :-)
More people --> more creative minds and connections between these minds (=synapses) who can solve humanity's problems

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abitcoinskeptic (73) · 6 years ago

Haha, i like your optimism. However, i like to think we already have the solution, it's just not practical or humane.

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holoz0r (71) · 6 years ago

There's a really scary thing that underlies a lot of this, especially in the developed world, that ties into economics.

Governments of the world, for the most part, pass tax concessions onto those who bring children into the world, seeing this as a future source of revenue and support / growth for the government of the future day.

This does not take into account the ecological impact of a more populous Earth.

I and my partner have elected to not have any children, of the firm belief that even at the current population levels, there's too many people to sustain a long-term eco-system.

Combine that with declining standards of living overall (even in "prosperous" countries) which see the erosion of freedoms, liberties, and privacy at the expense of "keeping people safe", it seems like a damn shame to bring more innocence into the world that will probably not have an enjoyable life.

I am somewhat of a nihilist when it comes to the whole reasons for our existence and consciousness, but tend to approach such matters with as much pragmatism as possible.

Thanks for your thoughts and words on this topic, as you can see, it provoked some of my own. :)

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abitcoinskeptic (73) · 6 years ago

Thank you for sharing your well thought out opinion. If I was a political leader, I would offer enhanced state retirement to people who have 0 children. However, such policies would require a huge way of thinking. Not only would it completely destroy families, but it would also mean we need to totally rely on immigration. However, I sincerely believe this is possible given the amount of people still being born in the developing world. Also, think of all the money we will save on schools, maternity hospitals, etc. It's just difficult to envision how it would be possible to implement without straying from being strictly volunteer.

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holoz0r (71) · 6 years ago

There will be some point in future history where it will all come crashing down. The false economics of "things must always grow" should be tempered by some sort of control mechanism.

I'm that believer in the cold, indifferent universe; but when fundamental cause and effect isn't understood by leaders and explained in unclear rhetoric by others, it saddens me to think that nothing but inevitable tragedy awaits humanity.

At the same time, we are less than an insignificant mote of dust on a cosmic scale, so it doesn't really matter.

All I can do is embrace the ephemeral moments that I'm lucky to observe, and know that the atomic components that are "me" today will exist in the universe long after I'm gone.

It's not all bad stuff!

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abitcoinskeptic (73) · 6 years ago

We will either run out of some necessory resource or some ecosystem we rely on will absorb too much pollution and crash.
I am pessimistic and think only technology will enable large populations to survive. There will likely be crazy wars o er scarcity.
I like to live in an environmentally friendly way, but even I'm probably not doing nearly enough and most people I know are way worse.
The prevailing belief is we probably shouldn't be have a right to destroy the planet and are gonna do it anyway.
I wonder if the worst offenders will meet justice or buy their way out.

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balticbadger (66) · 6 years ago

Europeans stop having babies its irresponsible for the environment, Africans come to Europe we need your babies to support our social system...

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abitcoinskeptic (73) · 6 years ago

Actually if managed correctly immigration is great. Raising children, maternity leave, education, etc. are all major drains on the economy (or investments for the future) attracting immigrants to fill holes in a countries economic system is very good for the country receiving the immigrants but can be disastrous for the country they leave. A lot of the newly developed countries or eastern block like Poland and Ukraine are facing massive brain drain and skilled labor shortages. On the other hand the immigrants could move back home and uses their modest western european salaries to live like the upper middle class in some of these countries.

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zekepickleman (68) · 6 years ago

Man what a crazy article.

We are about the quantity and the quality will be a battle between the 1% and how many of the quantity they can squash and exploit. I am fairly certain we won’t reach 11 billion without a catastrophic correction.

Damn I love life and people but that many of us arseholes is going to mean one smashed up planet.

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abitcoinskeptic (73) · 6 years ago

I think you may be right. I remember the 2100 estimates around 20 years ago when they were working on Millenium Development Goals were closer to 15 ~ 20 billion on the high end. Now it's just 11.2 billion. Either forecasting is really good, they stopped doing the high calculations (for political reasons), or something sinister is planned. Being the UN they probably chose 11.2 for political reasons and stopped doing the higher calculations. But you are right. Something is bound to trigger disaster.

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bestgift (67) · 6 years ago

we have a responsibility as occupants of the earth, we should make the earth a habitable place for future generation, and to avoid spreading poverty, we should have number of children inline with our abilities and finances.

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abitcoinskeptic (73) · 6 years ago

I agree, sadly all the people with more than 2 children don't.

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tramelibre (55) · 6 years ago

Saludos @abitcoinskeptic

Excelente articulo

Mucho información para pensar y reflexionar.

Ahora tenemos que hacer que 7.7 billones de personas lean este artículo.

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abitcoinskeptic (73) · 6 years ago

Thank you.

The problem is a lot of these people is they are too poor to ever be able to afford access to the Internet to read it on. Hopefully, that changes.

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