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Proposal: Refund 40K USD to make up for missing funds since 22.8888 - 원숭이도 나무에서 떨어진다

derangedvisions (73) in softfork228888 • 5 years ago

It was Roeland's Steem in his account. Are you dumb?

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5 years ago by derangedvisions (73)

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ash (73) · 5 years ago

the few real people that follow tron are basically braindead.

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don-t (71) · 5 years ago

Guess not, nice try!

So what´s if this is his money, why my money in my company account is a other way to look on, another way to handle it, are the old witness(es) is a better steemian than the guy who is bringing life to the chain which could not live without the content coming in from the Blog writers like me, remember one needs the work of the other without the other nothing will work out.

That´s the meaning of the word community.

So tell me why he´s the guy who can claim injustice for his side, if I´m not able todo so, not talking about the bitter gift you all bring to the steemit community.

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derangedvisions (73) · 5 years ago

Your comment makes no sense

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don-t (71) · 5 years ago

Oh yes it make sense, nothing has only one side, evrithing has two sides in real life and in crypto !

There is no difference in me and him, or some other guys with frozen or captured account balances!

All is coming out of the original-chain Steemit its just a copy on the first day, not more and not less, just a copy!

But I see that many of the HIVE folks is not willing to accept this, anyway that doesn´t change the facts and what is true.

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moeknows (60) · 5 years ago

Did you have Steem before Hive was created?

Yes.

Did you have Steem after Hive was created?

Yes.

Did you have Hive before it was created?

No.

Did you have Hive after it was created?

No.

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don-t (71) · 5 years ago

stupid game !

...and what about you ? Did you?

Nothing on HIVE would be there without Steemit, that´s the point Guy´s otherwise you all started will a zero ballance over there ;)

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moeknows (60) · 5 years ago

Hive would have never existed if Steemit would have never attacked Steem. It wouldn't make sense to bring attackers into the response to the attack.

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don-t (71) · 5 years ago

and again tell me who starts to take action against what?

Right it was the old Witness-Crew in fear of a possible danger comming from Justin, so nothing what somebody can claim against Justin, he did not make the first step !

That´s the only point what counts, the witnesses runnign in front without any reason just some expectations not more, that´s no reason to freeze a stake what is not yours (not in Steemit and not in HIVE).

We are talking about diferent things, th eguys wo start the war are pointing out who is good and who is bad, and secure theire doubleling of coins what is ok, and they can decide that for me that´s not.

What a bull shit that´s the same when sombody find the key of your car and sell the car without giving you the money or the key.

If you really believe in what you write in your last post, ok do it, but this is not half the trueth, most of it is what you like to believe not what´s happened really ;)

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moeknows (60) · 5 years ago (edited)

The softfork 22.2 was well publicized as a temporary implementation. They had good reason to take a preventative action. There were public statements saying that your Steem would be worth nothing. Did you want that to happen? Whether you did or not, they never asked you. If you wanted Tron, you could have just bought Tron instead of Steem.

Coins are worth what people think they are worth. You could create a fork to a new chain right now. Would people put value behind it? The reason why Hive has value is because of the community that went with it. That means that the actions of Justin Sun and Steemit were not in line with the community. Many did not agree with 22.2, but they agree that Justin's continued control of the blockchain is inappropriate. Many more will completely move after this.

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don-t (71) · 5 years ago

Thanks for the explanation, but let me say that when fear leads you, you can't make clear decisions. It doesn't matter what who expected, no one could know 100% of what would happen.
The old witnesses were just looking for someone to blame for the plan they'd already made.
And whether many more will defect to you, that remains to be seen I personally do not believe in it.
But all this is still no explanation why some have lost their stake, in contrast to those who never raise their voice and never speak their mind openly, but rather lick the boots of the witnesses and their supporters.

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moeknows (60) · 5 years ago (edited)

Thanks for the explanation, but let me say that when fear leads you, you can't make clear decisions.

I would say the same about anger and rage.

The old witnesses were just looking for someone to blame for the plan they'd already made.

I don't really see evidence of that. Why would they need someone to blame? Blame for what?

I would say the new witnesses were looking for someone to blame. Blinded by rage, they even blocked an exchange. All because they were mad that they didn't get any Hive. This is evident by the way they crafted their announcement.

And whether many more will defect to you, that remains to be seen I personally do not believe in it.

Well, you do have a point there, as many have already left including many of the dapps. Still this latest stunt upset many who were against Hive. Again, you are going against the wishes of the community. The result of that is that many will leave.

But all this is still no explanation why some have lost their stake, in contrast to those who never raise their voice and never speak their mind openly, but rather lick the boots of the witnesses and their supporters

Many who are on Hive were outspoken critics of the softfork 22.2. The witnesses still receive a lot of opposition over there for both the initial softfork and the exclusion list. The critics all still have their Hive. There is a difference between speaking out against something you don't believe in and outright supporting forced subjugation. Here, when blockbrothers chose not to run code they didn't agree with, the centralized authority which the people on the exclusion list helped, simply removed them and elevated someone else that would do his bidding. Being happy about that is the definition of boot licking.

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moeknows (60) · 5 years ago

If someone wants to give me something, must they also give you something?

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xxxxxxxxxx (57) · 5 years ago