Dear community,
My name is roelandp. For four years I gave my everything to Steem. I invested most of my time, money, resources into the chain with several projects.
- SteemFest
- SteemWallet
- SteemWhale
- Proof.ink
- Solliciting Power
- And check Steemprojects for more
Today I found out I stepped on some toes by no longer supporting this chain with my server resources but continueing on a new blockchain project called Hive.
As a result I got on a dubious list inside a Steem Softfork code called 22.8888 which excludes the right to operate most fund related and governance related activities on the given accounts. Including my own.
I worked for years for getting to the Steem stake were I am right now. I think I am entitled to do whatever I want with my stake. Yet somehow I got blocked.
A sidenote: I got word that some felt insulted by my comment on the Korean response about Hive fork and airdrop exclusions. To set the record straight (this is not because I need your pityness or somehow get removed from your list - because I think you should remove the complete code): it was never my intention to step on any toes and I used Korean Proverbs were actually used in my comment as I tried to bond towards the excluded community and picked some verbs from this site: I thought would relate to the status quo of the exclusion list. Half of those proverbs where literally talking about the "hivers" as that was a swift move (necessary due to immenent centralisation threat of Sun) and not about the Korean community.
Yet i find it very odd that that is a reason to block access to someones funds and I can only guess about the lame excuses for putting other names on the list. With 22.8888 you picked just a couple of accounts, with no reasoning or not very obvious. However you did open a can of worms. Personal accounts and company accounts (exchange Blocktrades) got removed by your execution of softfork22.8888 and you seriously risk exchange delistings if you ask me.
Personally we will manage, yet we kind of were counting on the Steem Funds, especially since other income dried up thanks to Covid and my gf got fired. So I hope you will all support my proposal to fund my personal losses amounting to 40K USD, especially you @dev365 !!! xoxoxoxox love you long time.
This proposal will be used to make up my losses of your softfork 22.8888 which prohibits my funds from being transferred or managed by my own keys. Understand that this is a different case then a temporarily fork we implemented back in the day for securing the Steemit Inc socially bound stake. This is my personal stake and the personal and company ownerships of various other parties involved. If you ask me, this move is risking exchange delistings.
It will be 100 days of 400 SBD payouts, starting today. I will use the steemfest account to receive the monies, because you blocked my own personal account.
This is not a proposal to appeal my inclusion in the 22.8888 hive_accounts-block-list. I recommend you remove all people in the list at once and publicly apologise your actions to keep any sanity. 누워서 떡 먹기
everyone can make a mistake. You made a big one.
Vote for my proposal @dev365
- using SteemConnect
- Steempeak: https://steempeak.com/proposals/81
- Steemit Wallet: https://steemitwallet.com/proposals (number 81)
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Then I hope dev365 will vote my proposal!
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I wanna see the day that happens. Sun doing something good.
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Then I hope dev365 will vote my proposal!
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It is a sad day when those that built the chain and the community get treated this way. You and the other in that list have done more for the Steem Blockchain than Justin Sun, @elipowell or any of the others at SteemitInc could ever dream of. It seems their intent is to continue to run this blockchain into the ground and ruin its reputation.
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How can you lose something you never had? Boo boo, pick up your soother baby boy
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fine than why is roelandp crying hes got the same problem from the other side ;)
Think about what you are writing!
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really? Is that what you got?
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It was Roeland's Steem in his account. Are you dumb?
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the few real people that follow tron are basically braindead.
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Guess not, nice try!
So what´s if this is his money, why my money in my company account is a other way to look on, another way to handle it, are the old witness(es) is a better steemian than the guy who is bringing life to the chain which could not live without the content coming in from the Blog writers like me, remember one needs the work of the other without the other nothing will work out.
That´s the meaning of the word community.
So tell me why he´s the guy who can claim injustice for his side, if I´m not able todo so, not talking about the bitter gift you all bring to the steemit community.
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Your comment makes no sense
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Oh yes it make sense, nothing has only one side, evrithing has two sides in real life and in crypto !
There is no difference in me and him, or some other guys with frozen or captured account balances!
All is coming out of the original-chain Steemit its just a copy on the first day, not more and not less, just a copy!
But I see that many of the HIVE folks is not willing to accept this, anyway that doesn´t change the facts and what is true.
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Did you have Steem before Hive was created?
Yes.
Did you have Steem after Hive was created?
Yes.
Did you have Hive before it was created?
No.
Did you have Hive after it was created?
No.
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stupid game !
...and what about you ? Did you?
Nothing on HIVE would be there without Steemit, that´s the point Guy´s otherwise you all started will a zero ballance over there ;)
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You didn’t lose anything. I am sure you were excluded and for good reason. You are dumb.
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No, he is a product of the society that he was brought up in. The entire former eastern block is full of idiots who can't see past the tree line and those few that can are far and few b/n. Hence why I cherish anyone from a commie or former commie community and who has seen the light of day.
In his mind a totalitarian leader and totalitarian methods are absolutely "normal".
It is no wonder the idiots fail at everything they attempt.
One has to respect people such as the young lady in this video:
as for those who refuse to accept the truth about themselves, well, all they can do is keep up the death toll that their mentality has given humanity.
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LOL! Apply cold water, someone got burnt
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wow - so if people don't give you free stuff, then you're justified in attacking them? I'd say your a shitty person, but I blame the parents. I'm sorry nobody has cared enough about you to teach you decency
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Technically someone steal his money, because he's money exists, but not in his account
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It's not his money. How is it his? Can I decide that your money is mine and act cruelly because you won't give it to me? Feelings aren't facts. Not being given something is not the same as having something taken away
These dishonest words and actions aren't corrected with delusion
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Okay, but who gives the money then? The answer is no one. Nobody on Hive gave you the money. Hive was a 1:1 copy to Steem, so you had Hive, just like you had Steem.
And these people had their money, until they disappeared from their accounts and went to another account.
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If the stake used to attack the chain wasn't addressed, then the attack would continue. As Dan Larimer, the designer and creator said, we are supposed to remove the tokens of people that attack the chain. Attack means a single entity controlling multiple witness positions. The instructions of the creator were followed. Ignorance isn't justification. Replace ignorance with learning, not with ill treatment of others
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First, Dan Larimer is an idiot.
Second, looking from the blockchain side, it was a steal
Thirdly, the whole HIVE project is quite controversial, because it means that you can manipulate the blockchain.
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Incorrect. Hive was almost a 1:1 copy of Steem. But not completely. It excluded 350 accounts out of 1.3 million.
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Universe truth : Every action has reaction. It may be late but not forgotton.
Hivemanis started action, steemians do reaction.
See from starting day 1 of drama, always action started by hivemians and reaction done by steemians. Hivemians also don't wants reaction. That's not fair.
I think we all have over and all loss by this drama. When this drama will end. I dont know....... but i don't like all this.
I am not happy with this action but i have to support.
See from deep heart( take deep breath, stay cam then think), you will know all.
Without community, No invester get success and without invester, no community get success. Both required each other.
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Your support to steem from starting not forgoten in any manner. You are the good and technical person. We can't forget your contribution. You are awesome. Thanks for all.
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Not giving you an airdrop and taking away your money are two different things.
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But some people are just too stupid to understand this, lol
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Are you seriously this fucking stupid? You own Steem. Hive doesn't owe you shit. You aren't entitled to shit. You are shit.
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Why did you lose 140 000 Hive? Do you invest in Hive prior to the Hardfork? What makes you entitled to receive the airdrop? Why do feel anyone in Hive is obliged to give you that 140 000 Hive? Who are you to dictate where the airdrop should be "dropped"?
If you can answer those questions in a clear, concise, and logical manner, I will give all my Hive to you.
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You can’t loose something you didn’t have.
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The fork was on an existing chain, but the STEEM token got suppressed, HIVE got created and distributed. Some people received the new HIVE tokens in same amount as the STEEM they had. Those who didn't receive the new HIVE tokens still got their STEEM tokens that remains on the other chain, so nothing was stolen from them, they just didn't get extra tokens.
This is similar to creating a brand new chain and importing old accounts and posts without the old tokens and distributing new tokens.
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You dont understand anything
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Spammer you are a silly spammer, spammer
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Can we really believe this was purely a witness action when Steemit unvoted those who did not adopt the change? Very suspicious and highly unethical. Just because something similar was done to Steemit does not make it right. I expect blocktrades are talking to their lawyers.
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I appreciate all the work that you have done for this blockchain and am truly sad to see you part ways like this.
But how is 22.888 different than the selective airdrop done by hive? In fact i think hive blocked even more accounts than what the steem witnesses have done.
Until the hive witnesses agree that its essentially the same thing (and please throw out the straw man on decentralization. I dont see how its any different for both sides), i dont think theres anything that can be done here.
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It’s different. Hive is a new coin and was given as reward to those who didn’t support centralisation. 22.8888 is rejecting access to existing coins already owned by the victims. 22.8888 is like locking your bank account from money you used to own.
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It's a different opinion and we can agree to disagree. The old witnesses also froze justin's assets initially. I have my doubts about justin but this is just illegal as well.
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Ignorance is no place to stand on.
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Different than some of the more reasoned takes here, your post smells pretty ignorant too.
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The reason for the proposal system on Hive is the stake having been used to attack the chain. That stake can't be restored in a fork or the chain would still be in an attacked state. The whole point of the fork is to remove the bad actor (much of this was written about a good 13 years ago, but it's dry and boring reading, you might be able to find some of the old videos of Dan Larimer talking through it). To argue their case for getting an airdrop, there would presumably need to be a discussion about attacking the chain. The evidence for what stake voted a single entity into holding multiple witness positions is on this blockchain. A single entity holding multiple witness positions is the definition of an attack on DPoS.
Where's the evidence that reolandp's stake was used in an attack against this chain?
He was told to create a proposal if he wanted to try and get his stake back... his existing actual account. Airdrops to a new account on a new blockchain can't be assumed - especially in cases where stake was used to attack a block chain. They are very different things, but roeland is still doing as asked by creating a proposal.
What is the reason his stake has been restricted? The people who didn't get an airdrop were given a clear reason. Clear rules were created. Those rules were in line with ending the attack. Where are the clear rules for 22.8888, and were they consistently applied to all accounts?
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I appreciate the reasoned response vs some of the other ones that include racist comments. "Attack on the network" can be a subjective interpretation. If certain users are spamming the network, milking the reward system through meaningless self voting, and actively spreading propoganda on a blockchain network, wouldnt it be considered an attack? And im not saying this witness did all that but if he was a major part of the "coup" and indirectly supporting these actions i think there is a case.
The clear rules for 22.888 were announced - i cannot find it right now. Im not in 100% agreement but i think it was certainly more objective and less damaging than the hive fork.
This is a decentralized network and he can certainly make his case. But i wish everyone would have correct information before rushing to the scene after hearing one side of the story.
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No. When talking about attacks on blockchains it's generally about the consensus mechanism, not some content/reward disagreements on this particular one. Even transaction spam is not an attack, as there's systems built in to mitigate those (fees/RC).
One entity taking over the block production on the other hand...
But you don't even get how one person running all production nodes is different from a diverse group doing so, so you probably won't follow my reasoning anyway.
And your "clear rules" cover about 80-90% of all active accounts. >10k people voted on the top community witnesses, they are all covered by the criteria. They froze 8.
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Im probably not going to persuade you over my post, i disagree that spamming is not an attack on the network. If i recall correctly, there have been ddos attacks that made the network unstable following the separation of the two chains as well.
Whats your point about 8 accounts? Are you saying they should have froze more accounts according to the definition?
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DDoS attacks are different from spamming, and don't go against a network but against single nodes. I'm sorry that this is highly technical, and not even your current witnesses understand the clear definitions. But mixing up all these terms and acting based on your conclusions, makes you look really bad in the eyes of everyone who understands the technology. I'm not trying to convince you, I'm only explaining.
And yes, they should have frozen a lot more by their criteria. The selection is completely arbitrary.
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Im by no means a tech so the specific distinctions escape me. Your opinion is certainly an interesting one. Thanks for sharing.
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That's the main reason some people are still on steem and arguing the way you do - they don't really understand the tech.
As it is right now, there is no difference between a database like facebook is using, and the steem blockchain. That's why all the tech people went and forked hive. Those who don't mind this because they don't really see a difference can of course keep telling everyone else how wrong they are and stay here, but I'm happy for everyone who could make up their opinion due to education. You don't have to be stuck with a failing project.
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곰돌이가 @menerva님의 소중한 댓글에 시세변동을 감안하여 $0.015을 보팅해서 $0.027을 지켜드리고 가요. 곰돌이가 지금까지 총 7830번 $107.229을 보팅해서 $106.540을 구했습니다. @gomdory 곰도뤼~
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곰돌이가 @gomdory님의 소중한 댓글에 $0.030을 보팅해서 $0.012을 살려드리고 가요. 곰돌이가 지금까지 총 7878번 $108.443을 보팅해서 $107.342을 구했습니다. @gomdory 곰도뤼~
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100% agreeing with your comment, I stated this nearly hundred times before, but nobody is keen to accept this, they just staying blind ;)
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For some reason, I am also on the list not to receive the Hive airdrop. (@hiveio). I also put a lot of time into steem, but get excluded from the airdrop, I also supported the real steem witnesses and changed my witness votes to the top steem witnesses. (I however made a mistake with one goodguy 24, which I thought was a steem witness, and rectified it immediately when made aware of the mistake). According to me I never gave a proxy to anybody, but if I did it must be more than a year ago, how can this be held against one, as nobody could have guessed at the time what would happen with steem today??? My stake is not big around 12000 steem, before I started to power down, but it is a lot of money for me and could make a difference in my life someday!!
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In that case, you'll probably receive your airdrop after this error is corrected in a hard fork, which will take a while. And otherwise, I'm sure you'll get your Hive when you make a proposal.
The blacklist based on voting was a bad idea, but it's not the same thing as freezing existing money, and it was not decided by one person who has the power to remove witnesses.
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Thank you so much for the feedback.
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이것은 매우 쉬운 일입니다. This is an easy thing to do (a piece of cake).
I voted this proposal and am in total agreement with you Roland. That entire piece of code needs to be removed. It is reprehensible if not illegal.
https://github.com/steem-witnesses/steem/commit/678f6effef6b343834eb4662dd5cbdb60e2a7226
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Wat ben jij toch een zielig figuur.
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sorry can't vote but would have upvoted 100%
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I feel you, now you feel how we feel with the blacklist or?
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i wanted to upvote your gif, but couldnt :)
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Now you feel the same way as many small people who put all their effort into the publications and nobody voted for them.
Now you feel what it's like to be blacklisted and everyone ignores you
Now you feel what it's like to be censored.
Karma is tough, good luck friend.
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yeah that´s it 100%
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Ya veo por qué siempre los han ignorado, solo posts de mierda en su blog JAJAJAJA
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Mira ni sabemos quien eres, ni el motivo de tu risa!!! No perdemos tiempo con personas que NO tienen neuronas. Bendiciones :)
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Tengo suficientes neuronas como para deducir que solo abusan de la piscina de recompensas y, como no puedes sacarle más dinero a ello, te enojas y te unes a ladrones. Buena suerte con ello.
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Now the ugly jealousy of envious people come out and complain. All they had to do is suck it up and put out a make-up video and get tens of thousands of dollars worth of Steem like you did.
But seriously, its not your fault you got good rewards for silly posts like this. On the other hand, you are responsible for many Apps in the Steem ecosystem from very early on. However, socializing the losses after the fact (as opposed to being part of some insurance scheme), feels somewhat wrong to me.
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Sorry for disturbing you but it's not a kind why to think people would be jealous.
I saw this shit coming. The law of war. 1000 of years in the human mind, drilled to it. I see much weird stuff will come. It's like an reaction to an action and shows the game. Sorry for being a bit philosophical now. The only way to stop that shit is to change the in tension of it. And to play different than before but who will do it? In the game of money it is all about power or? I think @roelandp is able to fight his own fight and he doesn't need any support. He is grown up enough to handle it.
To make a post about it shows he is also able to get criticism right? Otherwise he wouldn't post it hopefully....
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Not everyone has the same motivations. I recognize that.
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See, normally we all could be happy because it's good if more platforms like steemit with potential are out there. More creators and even little fishes could spread out there content but what the heck is going on?
"we" are destroying everything and at the end nothing will be left.
It's for me like a big mistake is going on with all of this political acting behind the scenes.
We don't have to hate or love one platform more or less, lay back and see how they grow at first. Than decide.
The game started wrong and now complainings come and they have all right reasons.
I know it's hard and cost time to build stuff like that but to react with hate or emotions is the wrong way.
If I would have "the power" to make any decisions I would give all steemit users their airdrop. Of course not sun and his puppets he has his own playing ground now. But I would welcome everyone to this airdrop. I would plan it more wisely that not so much users could complain and show a new and decentralized system so the people could choose out by their own what they do with it. You know what I mean?
Helpfully for that is always a simple airdrop registration, like "you have now 14 days or what ever time to register to get your airdrop/ swap"
Of course people wanna choose out on which platform their content shows up and of course it seems unfair. It's like taking your mirror away from you, it was never you but it was your mirror so why another person or who ever keep now your face in the mirror....?
(mirror =hive airdrop)
The game started with hate, no hate comes back. Action reaction, the law of attraction.
Hugs out to ya
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Yes, I actually wish more publishers would put their work on more platforms. Later, publishers complain about being "banned" on one platform they lose access to their audience. They should always publish to multiple free platforms. Ideally, they should have their own platform.
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hah I just realised the usage of 8888 in the hard fork version number is to counter the previous 4444 hard fork version number.
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Man I don´t get your point, you decide to act against the new incoming investor in a very bad maner and now you are crying that you get the accounts on steemit blocked. You had the same amount on your HIVE-accounts so what?
But I also don´t agree with this step from Sun (it is the same mistake like you did before)
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So because someone was butt hurt about being left out the HIVE Airdrop they decided to freeze funds which they were so against lol how Ironic. I'm sure its a sizable amount of stake I didn't check, but never interrupt a competitor when they're making a mistake, you know this will be a PR storm again lol let the games begin
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I think it's the other way around, first the old witnesses froze justins stake.
Then they split the chain and copied all the accounts that belong to it, including the content and the SP, Steem, SBD.
Then they put the steemians with a different opinion on their blacklist, and transferred (stole) their stake (including justin's and my company account) to the steem.dao account, where we don't have access.
And only then did the evil steemians around justin really put up a fight. They did the same as you did before. Namely blocked the accounts, and restricted the rights of those responsible for the split to steemit.
What's wrong with that, it was always just a reaction to your attacks and actions. And do you have to let those who wanted to destroy your chain, still be allowed on your chain?
I think no, you don't want that either!
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btw, I'm pretty sure that you guys can go to court over this
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Justin Sun has become disingenuous more,
As the time passes by, he reveals at his core,
Petty grudges and hate behind every deed,
While his cold machinations are driven by greed.
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you have also taken a lot of things from steem i guess .
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voted :)
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Nobody lost anything when they didn't get an airdrop. They had Steem, now they still have Steem.
There's no injustice in this.
I'm amazed how stupid you people are. "OH BOO HOO THOSE PEOPLE DID NOT GET AN AIRDROP IN THE FORK!!". If everyone would have got an airdrop in the fork, the fork would have been useless.
Fucking stupid.
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Interesting aspect, why it would be useless to give (when you do an automatic airdrop / swap) every user the same what he or she had on steemit? Because you couldn't use the hive from them by your own? Please explain more. Normally everybody has to register for an airdrop right? This wasn't and there was no whitepaper out right? After the airdrop the blacklist came out or? So different users with different background and wallet values didn't get the airdrop?
Normally if there is a swap it's always fair or?
If it is not remember :
karma is a bitch but she is quite fair. Most of us have a family and to pay and earn, why should one be more important than the others? Is this decentralization? One cry and everyone react 1000 say what they think and get a kick in their ass? This seems not fair or? I am just asking, maybe you could give answers?
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You don't make any sense and you have no clue on what you're talking about.
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Ah, but you have? Interesting. I only read hate and ignorance in your words bro. Hugs ;)
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i was making a joke about feeding my family. As my jokes are sometimes very difficult (not joking here) i have removed it... at least when the post update gets applied.
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Thanks for that, because in this times it is not a good joke when 1000 of people are loosing their jobs bro
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Jokes and humor are essential survival tools. You keep rocking Roeland, there is a huge community that has your back.
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Legit doesn't make sense but I'm not sure you're reading the right part.
You, and nobody else owned Hive tokens. You never lost a cent in your life. You never put any effort into 'earning' hive tokens, and thus, please explain why the money belongs to you or anyone else by right?
Being 'fair' is irrelevant. It's not fair that adults are typically taller than children and thus get to reach higher apples in the tree. A child is not therefore entitled to being taller, or entitled to free apples in the name of fairness. they have to be gifted apples, go find a ladder or another intuitive way to get the apples, or wait until they're older.
The child never owned those apples before. It would be ridiculous to say the adults stole those apples from the child unless:
So, to break away from the metaphor, did you plant and nurture (build & invest in) Hive? Do you privately own the hive blockchain?
I'm going to take a wild guess: No
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Aloha my dear,
Slept well? Good.
I wrote a lot of comments here know.... Read them all honey. Hugs
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This is not correct, everyone had received the hive coin - it was then only transferred from the account to Steem.dao. So something was transferred away from my hive wallet - so it was stolen. Please get familiar with the system first. Then you can have a say.
Also the majority of the whales and also witnesses were against the blacklist. It was enforced by the 4 founders against the will of the majority. When people like Bernisanders and the unknown Freedom, two of the four founders, say that, it should be clear to everyone where the woe of Hive is going.
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Please get familiar with how the witnesses came to their decision. You seem to be making up conspiracies.
It seems we have a difference in the definition of 'mine'.
No Hive tokens were ever yours. You never had them. I don't know why that's so confusing. At no point in your life did you ever own HIve. Is that not a sensible premise to work from?
Maybe I'm confused but I don't see any part of your wallet here where all your funds were plonked into your wallet, thus becoming yours, and then transferred to another account. Show me where I'm wrong, I'm totally open to that possibility
It's like, if I make an exact replica of your house but I change the locks so you can't enter, you would call the cops on me for stealing your house. How is that logical?
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Actually it has some logic.
Imagine a village that is flooded by evil Mr. Burns. The village is rebuild at a different spot with the exactly same houses.
But some of the houses get their lock changed and the previous owners are forced to stay in the soon flooded ones.
All Hivers that want to build a "better" Steem should keep an open mind and not start by excluding many accounts that did not deserve it!
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Well, this would work, but it's missing detail.
Imagine all that, except those who actively chose to stay in their flooded homes had their new homes' locks changed in order to provide shelter for the homeless (dao). Not only did they choose to stay, but they also actively tried to prevent everyone else from having the financial backing to build barriers to prevent the flood in the first place.
Now, I agree that the precise method in which this was done was flawed, and indeed those caught in the cross-fire by code error are being re-airdropped, and those who were mistaken otherwise will get to let their individual cases be known and airdrop returned. It's a bit messy, but a side-effect of people trying to create a 100% unbiased system. My friend was also caught up in it, and I am delegating 2,000 until things are put right, which could be weeks but that's ok.
But this guy actively voted for all the sockpuppets and, from what I can tell, seems to be calling the new witnesses corrupt liars and thieves (even though their copy of stake doesn't actually go to any witness). Why should they build a new house for such a person? I'm fine to let 'em swim in their own sewage
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Can you see you have no idea The hive that I and the others were supposed to get was transferred to the steem.dao account. So they were stolen from my account. There is also the Ninja Stake from Steemit inc. which should have been destroyed.
$15 million stolen from the founders and witnesses of Hive.
First inform and then talk here.
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Nothing was stolen and the accounts which did not get the airdrop were not meant to get it. Nothing was stolen from you, so you can quit being a dumbass crybaby.
You wanted Steem like this so you should be happy on it like this.
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Once, when I was about 8 years old, I bought a clicky pencil in school, and because it was purple, a girl wanted it, told the teacher it was hers and that I stole it. The teacher believed her because why would a boy want a girly, purple pencil? So I lost my pencil to her.
You remind me of that girl.
In case it's not a clear metaphor, once again:
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LOL, this is such a perfect response
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the steem.dao account is owned by the blockchain code, by nobody or by all. Anyone can have a say what happens with those funds through the Proposal System.
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That doesn't really matter. It's part of the money that was stolen from my hive account and transferred there.
What is the difference to Steem with the Ninja Stake?
People like Blocktrades or Freedom or even Bernisanders who is also your green guy have access to the account and can abuse it anytime. The right thing would have been to destroy everything on it. You are untrustworthy with the chatter list and the steem.dao account.
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first of all there is no active code in the software which can deal with Steem on the steem.dao account (Proposal System). Only with SBD. Secondly nobody can access the account. And yes most likely in future hard forks proposals will be written exactly like you say, about destroying it (simply sending to null). Undoubtly those will be written and have a high chance (if you ask me) of getting honoured.
This is actually being put in the hands of the voters through the Proposal System, so you can have your say what should happen with it.
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And on the hive chain this would be "Hive" and "HBD".
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You can't explain logic to people that are too dumb to comprehend common sense.
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Insults surely help.. 😔
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If you used your Steem to support centralization of Steem blockchain, why would you have got an airdrop? The point of the fork was decentralization. If everyone who supported centralization were included in the airdrop, the fork would have done nothing.
You still have your Steem. Congratulations on your 4 years investment and flushing it all down the drain. Hope you enjoy your time on Steem.
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My funds you are referring to are locked up dr-frankenstein.
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I was referring to the funds you moved OUT. Next time, just be more prices. a bit boring that everyone now is engaging in fud and misinformation.
Yet, you guys are asking from the excluded users to ask for mercy and kneel down to receive their initial stake.
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The meaning of fork was to get rid of those who support a centralized blockchain.
Why would those have been airdropped?
This is an completely own level of stupid.
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I know people who didn't get an airdrop even when they votet 50/ 50 of both sides or unvoted before like me again sun's witness or didn't vote any witness. Please there are not only people on the blacklist who voted sun. Stay real bro please and be kind with respect. Peace
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And where are my 25k SP gone while Hive fork? I know it: check on Hive the Account steem.dao
There you will find also the ninja mined stake from Steemit Ing.
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Why should anyone give you an airdrop of a new coin? There's no obligation. Steem is the original coin, no one should freeze here.
I did not agree with witnesses when they first froze Steemit accounts.
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You don´t understand nothing, that´s exactly the same shit like what Sun is now doing with the witness accounts who freeze his stake before and bring it to HIVE.
First think and than start writing, the first stone was throwed by the old Witnesses like roelandP.
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It really isn't the same. The critical difference being what stake was used in attacking the chain. In DPoS, an attack is when single entity controls enough witnesses to force consensus. Voting in a way that makes people feel bad is not an attack. Posting articles that make people feel bad is not an attack. Selling tokens at a price people disagree with is not an attack. A single entity controlling multiple witness positions IS an attack on a DPoS blockchain. This was all clearly defined like 7 years ago
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Some Downvote come back. I downvote you because you downvote me first.
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lol. No worries. I'm familiar with this attitude to a degree. I've been working on a guide for new users, and not having this particular impulse, I don't know if I'm being fair to people like you. If you'd like to leave some feedback for me, I'd appreciate it.
"Some people take downvotes very personally. When they see the current payout on a post, the can't imgaine it going down. In their minds, the current payout should only go higher or stay the same. If you downvote content from someone like this, they may downvote random things of yours. In their mind, you have caused them some injury and the emotional response leads them to want to cause injury to the person that hurt them. Don't stress about it too much! Most of the time, it will just mean the final payout of whatever they downvoted is lower than it was before they downvoted. Worst case, a long time user with a large stake can sort of "bury" your account by giving it a bad reputation. Just remember - the consequence for losing in politics on DPoS is tumbling your stake through an exchange and starting a new account. Nothing anybody does with votes on your content can cause you to actually lose money."
You think I'm being too rude saying that way? Am I off base on why it happens? Any insight would be greatly appreciated, and I'd give you a shout out on the post for any info you might be able to add.
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