Just a reminder- Sovereign Grace is not new. It was not created in the time of the Reformation. It was not created by Augustine either. It is what the Old Testament Prophets, the Apostles and Christ Himself taught.
If a so-called gospel opposes Sovereign Grace, that gospel is false because it opposes the God of Sovereign Grace. The God of the Bible is the only true God. He is absolutely sovereign in all things without exception, ESPECIALLY in His glorious salvation. Salvation is of the Lord in EVERY aspect from start to finish. It's sovereign grace or no grace.
Can you handle this truth? If so, I think we might be friends, not fake, but we can safely have real spiritual fellowship. Anybody else is someone I can still hang with that I may be related to, went to school with, worked with, talk about music, politics, grandkids, hobbies, etc., but fellowship in the gospel has guidelines. It must.
~Scott Price
Scott Price seems cold and unloving.
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I met Scott in person and he is a real down-to-earth person who spends a lot of time preaching the truth to the lost. We are to speak the truth out of love as the Apostle Paul states. Scott is very clear in his teaching to not compromise on the gospel. These are life or death ideas.
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In what way? Do you mean that if you don't believe in "Sovereign grace" that you will not be saved?
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The gospel is comprised of specific proposition concerning who Christ is and how He saves sinners. We believe one who is truly regenerated by the Spirit, having received the LORD'S death imputed, will by no means reject or actively oppose these things. Confessing this gospel is the fruit that we are to identify our brethren as opposed to moral behavioral patterns which is used by conditionalists.
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Okay, but I don't see how that answers my question. I'm a little confused by this answer. Specifically, I'm trying to understand if you think that only Calvinists are saved, or elect. In other words, are you trying to say that in order to be saved you must posses a correct understanding of systematic theology, specifically from a reformed/Calvinist perspective? That is kind of what it looks like this post is saying, so I'm just seeking clarification.
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The person doesn't need to have an idea of the theological jargon but will agree to the spiritual truths that the jargon represents however it is expressed.
For instance, the convert may have never heard of the term limited atonement or particular redemption but, when they are confronted with the notion that Christ's death actually paid for certain sins for certain people (chosen before time), I don't think a born again person would necessarily disagree with that.
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Well, there are those that say Christ's death actually paid for all sins for all people. I think this idea is taught in the bible all over the place.
It's the qualifiers I disagree with: certain sins, certain people. Does that mean you do not consider me a "born again person?"
There's also loads of Christians that reject that "Chosen before time" means chosen Some instead of Others.
It seems to be a whole lot more qualifiers to being a believer than Jesus or the Apostles mentioned. You've got a pretty small list, here. Pretty much only reformed churches/believers get a pass.
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thanks for letting us know
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