thanks for yr explanation,, but .....Freedomvigilante...... (freedom is freedom, also the freedom to vote, freedom to choose new path, freedom to leave of join !!!) for sure till now Catalonia was part of Spain, but after what I saw yesterday (full-geared policemen beating old women, throwing peoples around, confronting even firefighters and using force to enter schools for limiting a popular election, even not in conformity with the Costitution of one of the member of EU, I think that the Government of Spain has made a big mistake using inapropriate force without any reason. Please note that Spain should also take care of international convention and the Memorandum of EU and should never use NEVER, NEVER military or paramilitary forces against its population, as we both agree that untill October 1, Catalonia people was part of Spain and no one should beaten them like the pictures below.
Very simply: People has the right of autodetermination and it is just a question of time to get it hoping not to see picture like yesterday one from Catalonia (absolutely part of Spain still today!!)
I wish all the best both to Spain and Catalonia to find a mutual or independent way without armed forces involved in beating normal and peacefull people.
I have to agree, really disappointed about the way of handling, brutal force never pays!!!
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It is stealing my land, and we are ready to fight for it. On the 6th of October of 1934 Campanys declared the Catalonian State and we went to the first Civil War. Now 83 years later, on the 4th of October Puigndemont is going the declare again the Catalonian State, and we will win the war again!
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mah, everybody is free to do what he wants, but in my opinion both parties should start dialagoue, which for 8 years one part of Spanish politics (not all) refused and not fight, as you are writing, then up to you what to do, I respect all the opinion, but still thinking you are wrong and allow me to adjust yr statement that 1934 was a little different Europe as it is today and I hope you are not dreaming about the Europe of 1934. My post was originally about why a state is using Looney Tunes ships for transferring national police to Catalonia, but after October 1 violence I think that a lot change.....and brutal force never pays, as I stated yesterday !!
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no sir, you are wrong, be sure that after the first military intervention, as you are suggesting and innocent blood someone will take care about this issue, because Spain today is part of EU and we all are citizens of EU and it is forbidden to send military force against people. If that should happen then Spain risks to be suspended from EU and there were already cases about that in the past with other EU members for really little issues, so this is not the way of handling this situation anymore.
I regret to have seen GC beating people just for preventing a vote and failing to prevent anyting, this was the wrong way. If the referendum was illegal as you are writing, should still happened but not be recognized and managed as never happened , but seems someone was scarry about the results of a referendum to try to prevent it.
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