To All Reward Pool Abusers...

lordbutterfly (70) · 5 years ago (edited)

Awesome. You guys finally decided to join up.

Some good news.
@deathcross, @zaku, @chbartist havent posted in over a week and they were the biggest bot costumers and abusers on the platform. @majes.tytyty and @hatu got rekt recently so im sure they will get out of Dodge soon enough.

If you make it a big enough risk to buy votes.... people will start to avoid it, vote selling profits will drop and bid bot delegators will take back their delegations.
What is needed is CONSISTENCY which is why i hope this will be a continuous effort and not just a temporary occurrence.

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Ive never seen the bids so empty

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7 votes

steevc (73) · 5 years ago

It's swinging back in the right direction. Some of these people may try sneakier methods, e.g. voting comments, but I'm sure smart people can spot those.

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crypto.piotr (70) · 5 years ago

I just checked @deathcross and Im not sure why did you mention his name.

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crypto.piotr (70) · 5 years ago

it's me again @lordbutterfly

I personally know @majes.tytyty and I consider him to be very valuable user on this platform. I hope you guys wont after him with downvotes.

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lordbutterfly (70) · 5 years ago

I dont know about "the guys", i can only speak for myself but if i see him trend with bots again ill flag him for sure.

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crypto.piotr (70) · 5 years ago

How's your fight going on @lordbutterfly

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lordbutterfly (70) · 5 years ago

Going well. Ill need to take a break for a day or two to replenish my VP but im pretty satisfied with the results.

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joythewanderer (78) · 5 years ago (edited)

I hope all together we have enough free downvote mana to fight against bidbot, sock puppet alts and other.

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doifeellucky (64) · 5 years ago

Hey Dan!

I would really appreciate if you guys (you and @themarkymark) could put together what/who you are targeting with this rekt list. What is spam and what is abuse of the reward pool?

When I look back at my posts I'm really questioning if some of the stuff that I posted would be considered as spam. For instance I post a bunch of infosec posts (mostly declared as via so and so) on a regular basis because I found it important to raise awareness on infosec and privacy issues.

Would this be considered spam for instance?

Cheers!

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theycallmedan (75) · 5 years ago

No one can control spam if someone has RCs they can post all day. Earning is another thing. If you put up a low-value post and then use bid bots to promote it, that would leave you open to being downvoted. You are 100% in the clear, you don't spam nor do you abuse bid-bots.
When I get the chance I will make sure to make a clear list of who I downvote and for what reasons.

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doifeellucky (64) · 5 years ago

Thanks Dan! Much appreciated! Cheers!

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themarkymark (78) · 5 years ago (edited)

This was pretty majestic today.

Got something I am working on to make it much easier.

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rishi556 (62) · 5 years ago

I remember this. Watching it go below $1 was a nice moment.

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theycallmedan (75) · 5 years ago

Like looking at a beautiful sunset. Which post was this? I missed out on some fun!

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themarkymark (78) · 5 years ago

Also demolished a few others, recharging my accounts for tomorrow.

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cryptoinvestsvk (75) · 5 years ago

Dan I am posting videos on 3speak every day, not copying anybody just having good (I think) 15 min videos but in my post I paste always the same discription. Because I want them to listen to me what I am saying not just read Contest and thats it. I is abuse or not. I am just asking so I can make some changes

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themarkymark (78) · 5 years ago

If the videos are unique and not stolen, then I don't see any problems.

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cryptoinvestsvk (75) · 5 years ago

yea it is always new and uniqeu vid I am only one from my 2 countries who is doing crypto vid form my people in my language. Thx for answer

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condeas (62) · 5 years ago

Why only now (after HF21) and not before?
The abuse of bidbots has already damaged the reputation of the community.

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theycallmedan (75) · 5 years ago

Because of New Steem. We didnt have free downvotes before.

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condeas (62) · 5 years ago

Thank you for responding to my comment.
I was not expecting that.

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https://usesteem.com/steemwhales/topauthors

dr-frankenstein (67) · 5 years ago

Cool, you can start by monitoring the top accounts. Running only after the poor isn't really chevaleresque.

Cheers,

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elgeko (73) · 5 years ago

this is an important message to all shitposters.

important message to all shitposters . . . ;D

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cryptogee (75) · 5 years ago

...and yet . . .

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memehub (67) · 5 years ago

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steevc (73) · 5 years ago

This could be the start of something good for Steem. I see people have already flagged a lot of junk posts on trending. This will free up rewards for the rest of us. Anyone buying votes needs to be confident their post is of appropriate quality. 3 lines and a photo will not be enough. Less self votes by big accounts would be nice too. They can earn better now from votes for other people.

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whack.science (71) · 5 years ago (edited)

I love you Dan. Thanks for being the example and motivator for us who really want this blockchain to be great.

Peace yo!

EDIT: I got one abusing account but I don't want to get downvoted once again so can I DM you somehow?

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theycallmedan (75) · 5 years ago

Of course, dms open.

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whack.science (71) · 5 years ago

Sent on discord

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miti.blog (64) · 5 years ago

This is great news! I hope you and other whales will focus with the same enthusiasm to support "unknown" authors who were very penalized by the new reward curve.

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steemitboard (66) · 5 years ago

Congratulations @theycallmedan! You have completed the following achievement on the Steem blockchain and have been rewarded with new badge(s) :

You got more than 1750 replies. Your next target is to reach 2000 replies.

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Vote for @Steemitboard as a witness to get one more award and increased upvotes!

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hiroyamagishi (68) · 5 years ago

how about @haejin , lol

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improv (67) · 5 years ago

Huzzah!

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stackin (78) · 5 years ago (edited)

Can I be on the list?? JK 😂🤣😂🤣🤣

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doifeellucky (64) · 5 years ago

Hey Dan,

I've got another question! What's with the self upvoting of some bigger accounts on here? Is that Ok in your view?

Cheers!

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crypto.piotr (70) · 5 years ago

hi @theycallmedan

What "rekt" list means? And would that list be public?

Yours, Piotr

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xpose (36) · 5 years ago

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skramatters (66) · 5 years ago

My man

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alokkumar121 (76) · 5 years ago

Nice initiative to stop abuse.

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kus-knee (74) · 5 years ago

It will be interesting to see how this develops!

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mattsanthonyit (73) · 5 years ago

I second the motion. Stop your Abusive ways. Stop Abuse 🤞

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lunaticpandora (69) · 5 years ago

Downvote trail!!! :drools:

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meditations (57) · 5 years ago

I can just hear @theycallmedan saying something like "Hasta la vista, baby" after he down voted someone.

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michealb (66) · 5 years ago

sign me up

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ange.nkuru (63) · 5 years ago

somebody's gonna get a hurt real bad

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josediccus (75) · 5 years ago

Let's clean steem into something new, majorly behind you Dan

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edwardstobia (68) · 5 years ago

Friend, all for the welfare of all. I support your cause and I know that many more will agree with you.

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improv (67) · 5 years ago

Question for you (and @markymark and everyone doing the hard work of trying to make the free downvotes effective):

I have never before used a bidbot. But because of the new curve, it seems like I should make sure that all my posts are at 20 steem at the moment of payout, so I should use a bot to bring it up to that level?

Would this be abuse? Would this mean I'd expect a downvote from you? Or is this an acceptable behavior in the new economy? (note, I think you know me and that my posts aren't spam... but I've just never attracted the whale followers that provide that value, which didn't matter to me before, but now since the curve means that my voters shouldn't vote for me because their votes would be worth less than their potential, I feel like I should at least bring them back to realizing the full value of their votes.)

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themarkymark (78) · 5 years ago

To me as an abuse fighter, I want to see original content and not something stolen. The more the better, but I don't do as much reward disagreement as I do spam, scam, plagiarism, and so on.

20 Steem is roughly $3, unless you put no effort into something I doubt you have a high risk. There are much bigger targets.

Unfortunately, I do believe the curve encourages more bid bot usage initially. In time I hope people who deserve it get rewarded more. Over time the 16-20 Steem level will move as well. It will take time for everything to settle and then behavior change, then settle again to that new behavior.

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doifeellucky (64) · 5 years ago

I've seen a few examples of reward-pool-abuse meanwhile, didn't bother much tho in the past. I see the possibility of a flag war doing more harm than good. Those that will be targeted could also group together and make things really ugly. Am I wrong?

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themarkymark (78) · 5 years ago

Anything is possible to be honest.

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doifeellucky (64) · 5 years ago

Ty!

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steevc (73) · 5 years ago

It's up to each person to judge if your post deserves the rewards and paid votes can still be seen as abuse unless the post is valuable to them. You can still make something and rewards may not be so bad if they are freed up by people flagging over-promoted junk. That's already happening on trending.

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niallon11 (68) · 5 years ago

That's not what I'm getting form this post. If you post a photo and bot it up $100 it's going to get destroyed. If you post a quality article or content of some sort and give it a boost to $10 to hit the curve you should be fine. In my opinion.

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improv (67) · 5 years ago

Well, I mean, I'd like us to do away with bots entirely, but the economics of things are all topsy turvy regardless, so I'm asking to see if your opinion is shared by @theycallmedan and @themarkymark and the other powerful folks. I don't like abuse, and definitely never want to engage in abuse, but there are many different perspectives on abusive behavior, and I'd like my actions to fit no one's perspectives even accidentally. I got lambasted about freewrites 2 years ago before we became a big community, and I'm glad I stood up for our right to publish those on Steem, but I'm not willing to stand up for anyone's right to use bidbots since I'd rather they all go away entirely anyways. But if it's just "this is where we are, anyways" then I might as well accept them as the new necessary norm. It's very sad to watch my peers value disappear to the new curve and to know that it is actively wrong for them to vote on my posts because they're going to get less value than if they upvote a whale.

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mansi94 (56) · 5 years ago

Give me full details please @theycallmedan

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jordangerder (70) · 5 years ago

great is time to stop abuse on steem, that this update is for good we will continue to stand before the new steem 👌

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slobberchops (74) · 5 years ago

Right on!, some of the Trending posts got mashed this morning I see. Something had to change.

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phoenixwren (65) · 5 years ago

?? What's happening with the rewards pool? I thought the HF was aimed at curbing abuse?

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theycallmedan (75) · 5 years ago

HF21 has given us the power of free downvotes, and with free DVs I have joined up with a lot of like minded people who are tired of Old Steem ways. New Steem is here and we are sending a loud message to all abusers to stop or pay the price.

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phoenixwren (65) · 5 years ago

Ohhh I see. I thought you were posting this because something had happened since the hardfork that was bad. Sorry, I misunderstood!

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