Is everybody heading for the doors? The narrative and the truth.

in stats •  8 years ago  (edited)

There is a narrative currently doing the rounds. Lots of shrill voices predicting the end of steemit because everybody is leaving. The facts however just don’t support that narrative and those conclusions.

True… the steemit price is undergoing some bloodletting.

This is to be expected after the massive 2000% spike following the 4th of July euphoria and the redistribution of STEEM by major STEEM Power holders.

The baselines however indicate that a mature core of steemit users is developing and that the prophets of doom are simply frauds. Their prophesies have little to no basis in fact.

The blue line indicates users who visit the web site and leave immediately never to return. It is quite normal for this blue line to fluctuate wildly and is a good barometer of hype levels out there on the internet and in the media.

Every time there is some sort of hype it rapidly peaks only to fall right back down again shortly afterwards.

The red line is a baseline that measures returning or loyal users

We can see a slow downward trend over the last month, however this is not alarming. Just as with the price spike and subsequent bloodletting. The user spike was preceded by a number of spikes closely correlated with the hype phases indicated by the spikes in the blue lines.

What goes up rapidly is destined to come down as consolidation occurs.

The red line or loyal users have once again stabilized at 10 to 12 thousand users per day which is slightly higher than the pre-hype spikes about a month ago.

When we review the baselines by continent the facts become even clearer.

The massive hype spike was mainly limited to the Americas and so is the subsequent downtrend with only a slight disturbance in Europe.

Asia, Africa and Oceania remain very constant.

When we drill deeper into the data we see that the hype spike and subsequent downtrend was most prevalent in the USA and has stabilized at around 3000 visitors a day.

Europe shows that any slowdown has really been isolated to Northern Europe (red line)

When I look at these stats I simply see standard fluctuations followed by consolidation... hardly a "last one to leave please turn off the lights" scenario.

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I'm glad that we are able to work out the kinks with 12000 users per day and not 1M.

Indeed! There's quite a bit of vitrol and drama here occasionally. Do people forget we're still in Beta, and what the exact purposes of "beta" are? I think the big news of Steemit has nothing to do with the voting power or the current price, but that there's a cafe in Germany that accepts Steem for payment! THAT'S the big news (and my next article idea, hope nobody steals the idea before I get it posted!).

It makes sense that tons of people would sign up hoping for a quick payday. Around that time the front page had posts earning $10k+ so it looked awesome to people just discovering Steem. It was never going to last. The fact that new people came and stuck around is great though.

I personally believe Steemit is just getting started. The developer community is huge and new apps are being built every day. Pretty awesome to be able to be in early and watch this thing grow.

Some of the doomsday posting may be because it tends to attract upvotes. Glad the stats tell a different story :)

Exactly.

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I don't think anyone is heading for the doors - not yet. They're waiting to see how the changes in voting tomorrow play out.

Also - there isn't really any alternative for those who like cryptocurrency but don't want to mine or trade. I think synero will be dead in the water, their model relies on tipping which has been tried by bitcoin and doge and has failed. Once it is clear that steemit is the only successful platform, people will come flooding back.

What changes are coming for voting?

There is a hardfork coming tomorrow. At the moment you can do 40 votes a day at full power, but it will reduce to 5 votes per day at full power. Of course people can still do more votes than that, but it will be with diminshed power, and hence diminished reward.

But the 5 votes at 100% are worth 8x more than now also. This is an awesome idea IMO and will help with redistribution.

Thank you both. To be honest, I also like the idea. Interesting to see the results.

Thank you so much for posting this. In my opinion, we need as many fact based pieces from people who "get it" as possible. There are many people here who flat out don't "get it". I am definitely one of them. I came here to write. I have no clue how things work "behind the curtain"... but I trust that the people "behind the curtain" have an incentive and the knowhow to make tweaks that will lead to Steemit thriving. In the meantime, I'm just trying to work in the current system and help the site as much as I can (which I know is not a whole lot... but I'll try!) One suggestion I would make is that people who "get it" should keep in mind the type of personalities this site attracts. Many are here because of the "decentralized" nature of the site. By definition, this means they have a hard time trusting those "behind the curtain". In my opinion the best way to generate this trust is through fact based posts like this one. Anyway... it was great to read something positive about the direction in which we are heading. Sorry for all of the "quotes"... ugh.

Even the Empire wasn't built in a day...
Patience.

I think the steemit experiment is just getting started. I'm not intelligent enough to claim steemit is sustainable, but i definitely don't think it's over yet.

I agree - standard fluctuations. "Americans" and Northern Europeans are quick to lose interest when they realize they will not instantly become billionaires.

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at 10 to 12 thousand users per day

Visitors per day I guess? You are probably getting this from web traffic numbers which are significantly higher than blockchain users. That's all good, and those visitors count too when it comes to assessing the success of the platform.

However, it concerns me that there is basically no growth since July according to your figures (and the blockchain agrees). The July 4 megapayout was the big bang event that created maximum exposure for the platform. It was a brilliant to do things that way in terms of creating a news event and attention to spark growth. Which it did, but that growth was short-lived. What now? Stagnation, but not a big decline. Yellow alert.

@smooth thank you for continuing to be a truth teller on the platform. It's realists like you that give digital currencies credibility to mainstream users. And it's real content that can't be found elsewhere, incentivized by monetary rewards, that I continue to believe is the big opportunity for a social network like Steemit: https://steemit.com/protocols/@ntomaino/the-real-opportunity-for-a-social-network-with-monetary-incentives-built-in

Yes, these are front end stats, visitors per day... wasn't the post megapayout growth perhaps a little more than expected and more than the immature platform could handle?

I think of this "stagnation" more of as a consolidation. Don't most things including crypto projects grow in spurts and steps?

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wasn't the post megapayout growth perhaps a little more than expected and more than the immature platform could handle?

It is hard to say what was expected, but in some ways it is clearly true that the platform was not ready to handle it.

I think of this "stagnation" more of as a consolidation. Don't most things including crypto projects grow in spurts and steps?

Sometimes yes, sometimes no. What you describe does indeed happen but the 'one hit wonder' phenomenon is real as well, including some crypto projects.

"but the 'one hit wonder' phenomenon is real as well"

I can't disagree with you there... here's to hoping this is not the case...

I would say it's not the end of the world - but as a scientist and web marketer for the past 15 or so years ... looking at those charts for the last month is not encouraging. I still think a fundamental change to how money is distributed based on votes needs to happen. E.g. change the voting power function from n^2 to something more sane, say the 1.1 power, so that most user's votes are more meaningful. Perhaps keep the flag power at a higher ratio if people insist on that (E.g. flag vote power could go like n^1.5 while upvote power goes like n^1.1).
This is important because new users who invest some money or time should get some kind of meaningful reward for the SP they have.
As it is now, putting in $500 of one's hard earned money (or equivalent amount of time) is a waste of time/money. Why? 500SP is basically nothing at all compared to accounts with 5k, 10k, 100k, 500k, etc.

New users may not know all of this, but they do know that their votes and the votes of their new friends don't seem to count for diddly squat (unless they friend a whale).

Good point. You put in $10000 and you get much less influence per dollar then 100,000. Or do I misunderstand? At the same time, whales use their power to keep the site working well, so some extra power, like n^1.2 may be appropriate.

Yes, exactly. So, for instance I have like $2,000 worth of SP. My votes are worth one or two cents. Who will be willing to invest TWO THOUSAND DOLLARS so their vote can be worth one or two cents? I ended up doing some back of the envelope calculations and posted the results in a new post https://steemit.com/steempower/@nonlinearone/your-votes-don-t-matter-back-of-the-envelope-steem-power-madness-calculations

When multiple posts on the trending page "try" to create a fake image that everything is fine and dandy, you usual know that things are hitting the gutter. I have seen nothing improved on SteemIT as of late.

IMHO

I think the price is moving independently of what is happening on steemit. If you look at other cryptocurrencies, you see a similar graph - a spike up, then a gradual fall. Then it reaches a point where the community is despairing but the speculators are quietly accumulating. Then there is another spike up, as a new pump gets under way.

Steem isn't traded enough to be affected by the fundamentals of this site. It's controlled by speculators at the moment. People should accept that until this site is about 10 times bigger, fundamentals won't play a part at all, therefore they should stop watching the price and stop fretting about it.

Interesting post. Thanks for providing some rational discourse on the matter.

The "hype spike" as you call it was people coming in under the false assumption that they would get rich quick and not really understanding the platform. This was combined with the fact that Steemit was something new and shiny - i.e. the attraction of novelty.

The people who have departed since are not serious users of the platform and didn't really understand it.

Those who are predicting doom an gloom based on that "anomalous" period of activity and the high Steem price at that time are basing their theories on an exceptional and unrealistic situation.

Also no matter what the platform is or how it is doing fluctuations are an entirely natural phenomenon and to be expected.

The doomsayers are falling in to the typical cryptocurrency mentality -i.e. we are either going to the moon or we are finished. That kind of "black or white" thinking is simply immature and rather stupid.

Anyway thanks for analysing the data and providing some sensible thoughts.

BTW Which graphing software do you use? Your graphs look brilliant.

Thanks:)

Great stats! I'm curious though, what level of growth (or even exponential growth) is necessary to get noticed as a genuine threat to existing platforms. Hopefully those on the fence will continue to see valuable Steemit content shared on their network of choice to keep them curious enough to eventually create an account and start posting.

yes, this is the reason that steem will keep spreading. so long as enough content producers keep pumping out quality stuff and sharing it.

Interested to know that answer as well, target growth rate.

The economics of steemit need to mature first, with a wider base and the formation of strong sub communities within steemit...

When steemit is growing more from organic growth than it is from hype... Then it will be a contender... but it needs time to mature first.

I've seen other attempts at social media platforms never mature. The network effect against "yet another social network" is quite high. That said, as the economics behind Steemit mature (or at least stabilize) that will create an interesting incentive the others don't have.

If google plus never really took off, how hard will Steemit have to work?

Agreed.

Yes , lots of voices/opinions out there, thanks for some data and ultimately some good news. People I've "brought in" recently (six total) can't post or vote (yet) which is what's discouraging them from using the platform, and abandoning it before getting started. They don't care about the price of Steem or their voting power, that's too advanced. I've tried to encourage them to "Follow and comment" to earn power and followers, but it's just not happening among my personal friends. Maybe the site's just not for everybody and I need to quit working so hard to bring people in?
Does anyone have other stories (or stats) of new user retention, those that have joined in just the last week or two? Or advice I can give them to want to participate more and ultimately stay around?

Why can't they post? You should be able to post immediately . . . .

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Agreed... they should be able to post right away....

I have invited many to steemit too... some stay other don't because as you say "the site's just not for everybody" and that applies to blogging etc. in general.

Blogging takes time, so does reading them. We need spmething for people who use reddit

Keeps getting told "not enough power" He copied the message to me, then I went over to his house and it was true. I'll try one more time just to see if it was a fluke.

Interesting... looks like they are being rate limited which means we need to increase account registration funds.

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Great analytics man!!! Loved the post @gavvet. I will not leave steemit until it dies xD

We need to get the kinks ironed out before we have 20M users!

Agreed, and some kinks only appear at 50 000 users

Yep, the chart also appears that it is leveling out, possibly putting in a bottom. There was a major promotion that happened back in July. One of the founders (don't remember which one) was on CNBC talking about Steemit.com, infact that is how I heard about it...

Thanks for this. Agreed, churn is normal in a new platform such as steemit

very interesting graphs. It really feels like there are more new people i see all the time.

But the door slams louder as they leave and make everyone look.

I disagree somewhat.

I think there are clear downtrends that are visible.

Steem is a very new business model. And usually business models need to be tuned and adjusted. I feel that the steemit team is not dressing the issues. they might do this internally and not externally, but i have not seeing anything that lets me feel like the core issue -retention- Is being recognized and adressed.

I.e. the last time a post like this came up Dan basically said all is peachy and the report is wrong.

not doors but yesterday on chat ive called we gonna go below 0.001 and we did - you can make money selling and buying cheaper too :)

That is good to know. But could you please clarify something for me, its not the first time I see this by continent graph, and I was wandering, how the data derived?
Especially, about Europe/Asia. I am currently in Eastern Russia, close to Mongolia and China. Do I count towards Europe line (based on state), or Asia line (based on geotag)?

Europe, based on state... compiled from google analytics

Would greatly appreciate if we could see an update to these stats in a few weeks to see if the 10k growth level holds or if we trend up or down.

Thank you for posting this info @gavvet.

Will do... but from where I am sitting it is hammering out a bottom, slightly higher than the last one

Good to hear. Thanks!

Awesome statistics!

Thank you for the good statistical data.

What could be the reason for the continous reduction of visitors/day since mid. Aug?

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Rapid spikes or narrow peaks are always followed by consolidation back to more sustainable levels

Amazing stats @gavvet, thank you!! :D

This is an interesting site with multiple levels, crypto currency, user functions, and community. I'm staying because people here are wildly interesting and I wanna see how all these levels mesh together.

Another great article. I totally agree, Steemit is still in Beta and is doing great. Time will tell but I think in a few years people look back and hit them self not buying steem and power-up when the price was 70 cent.

Looks like you conveniently covered the very right side of the chart with a white strip, because it clearly shows the curve was falling off a cliff. The charts are about two weeks old. The trend line is going DOWN, on every chart. Even subscriptions are falling, nobody even bothers to create fake accounts any more.
https://steemle.com/charts.php?charts=posts
Alexa data is only an estimate, btw. No real marketing data available for this site.
Would you be bothered to reveal some real Google Analytics data?

  ·  8 years ago (edited)

Here is the latest less than an hour old

stateside is starting to climb again

This is GA data.

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