Had this question posted to me the other day, and although I tried my best to answer it quickly, unless you understand Economic Systems, it is hard to get your head around. Quoting words like Dilution, Inflation, Money Supply…really get’s us nowhere.
This has been touched on many times, however many users still don’t understand. I am hoping to help these users, not the one’s who already understand. Sometimes, it’s best to simplify to the point of not giving the FULL picture. This is a reasonably complex system (for Cryptocurrency Noobs), and in order to be able to use it, and understand what is going on, you DON’T need to know everything…
So, I’m going to give a very simple explanation for new users who are confused on this topic.
What is going on under the STEEM 'hood'?
As I write this post there is 127,641,779 Steem in existence. Steem has an Dilutionary model, like many cryptocurrencies and ALL National Currencies in the world. What this means is, new Steem is being created every minute.
I’m sure you’ve heard the term Printing Money, well this is essentially making new money out of thin air. This action is done by the Federal Reserve, Bank of England and all central banks around the world. Now for the time being, let’s not get hung up on why (or what impact this has), I will touch on this later.
New Steem is printed at a rate of 800 per minute (for the next 12 months or so). That means that everyday, 1,152,000 new Steem come into existence (800x60x24), so 24hrs from now, there will be 128,793,779 Steem (127,641,779+1,152,000).
Breakdown of the Contribution Rewards are as Follows;
Total Rewards: 800 per minute
Steem Power Holders Reward: 720 per minute
Miners/Witness’s Reward: 40 per minute
Curation and Creation Content Rewards: 40 per minute
So, 40 Steem per minute go into a pot to be divided out amongst the content curators and creators. So that is where the Contribution rewards come from…I’m ignoring Steem Dollars for now, but for understanding this, that doesn’t matter.
Why Print Steem for Contribution Rewards? Why don’t Steemit just Pay Everyone?
This is an important aspect to understand. Think of Steemit as a Start-up business with no revenue, no profit, no money. All Steemit has is Sweat Equity contributed by the developers and founders.
Steemit can’t afford to pay users to use Steemit, so they created a Currency that represents the value of users input into the site (think of Steem Power as Equity in Steemit). While new Steem is created every day, IF the value created by the users remained constant (constant user base, constant posts, votes and quality), the value of everyones Steem holding would be Diluted. This is represented bellow in an example (not real numbers);
‘Printing’ Steem by Numbers
Steem in Existence: 100,000,000
Your Ownership: 1,000,000
% Ownership: 1%
New Steem Printed: 10,000,000
Your Contribution to the Site: 0
Your Steem Power Reward: 50,000
Total Steem in Existence: 110,000,000
Your Ownership: 1,050,000
% Ownership: 0.95%
So, in these conditions, your % ownership has fallen. Essentially your fall in % ownership has been redistributed to Steemit contributors as a reward for their hard work. The numbers are not perfect, but this is essentially what is going on. Here some numbers closer to reality if you are interested;
Steem in Existence: 127,641,779
My Steem Power Holding: 12,697
My % ownership: 0.009947%
In 30 days
New Steem Printed (800x60x24x30): 34,560,000
Steem in Existence: 162,201,779
My Share of New Steem Printed with zero contribution to the site (34,560,000x0.00009947x0.9): 3,094
My New Steem Power Holding : 15,790
My new % ownership: 0.009735%
Fall in % Ownership in 30 Days: 0.000212%
Summary
So, if you contribute nothing, your % ownership position in Steem will continue to fall as time goes on. This is essentially why Steem is slowly redistributing away from the Top Steem Power Holders to the smaller holders. The system has been set up so that the Top holders cannot earn enough in Contribution rewards to cover what they are synthetically giving away…But it’s also easy for small accounts to earn above and beyond the dilution rate and increase their net ownership of Steem.
The $ value of your holding can go up or down…That depends on what happens to the price of Steem, which is influenced by the inflation rate of Steem, but also by Demand (which is a function of Many Many different factors).
So, Where do the Contribution Rewards come from…?
They come from every Steemit user, including yourself!!
For more detailed explanation on this topic, and others, you can see my blog…
Where does the Money come from?: https://steemit.com/steem-help/@hisnameisolllie/steemit-the-economic-system-and-where-the-money-comes-from
Steem Distribution: https://steemit.com/steem-stats/@hisnameisolllie/steem-distribution-revisited-top-steem-power-holders-to-distribute-up-to-34-3-of-their-control-over-the-next-12-months
Steem Dilution Rate: https://steemit.com/steemit/@hisnameisolllie/steem-dilution-rate-explained-currently-much-higher-than-you-might-think
I THINK I FINALLY GOT IT!
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Good man!!
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Goodman!!
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All these guides are soon inscribed in my brain forever. Who needs augmentation.
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Nice write-up. Steem is indeed designed such that ownership is being redistributed form large holders to smaller holders. Unfortunately too many people don't get this, and that's problematic. So thanks for helping make people more aware.
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No problem @tombstone I have written about that in the past, but some people don't believe it. Numbers don't lie, and from calculation I have been doing of late, it is already happening in a significant way, as you well know.
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@liberosist has good numbers on distribution here:
https://steemit.com/stats/@liberosist/steem-power-distribution-trends-august-update-the-re-distribution-skips-down
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Yes, your last post on the topic was also very enlightening for anyone not aware of the distribution dynamics built into steem.
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Great post! One thing I would love to add is that the Steem token is traded on a stock exchange and the speculation of its future value is critical. Without this there would be no value in Steem.
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Yep!
Well, not if you make a $1,500 posts on regular bases :) but yes!
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You say
What's this? I didn't know about that. How does that work?
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Distribution is key to Steem becoming a stable cryptocurrency. At @dan @ned have set up the rewards algorithm heavily weighted to Creations, that they cannot keep up with. Apologise for the self promotion
https://steemit.com/steem-stats/@hisnameisolllie/steem-distribution-revisited-top-steem-power-holders-to-distribute-up-to-34-3-of-their-control-over-the-next-12-months
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pshaw... after youre done cooking up those books, are you going to make us some dessert.
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But whales could grab a huge chunk of the creation rewards for themselves, right? If they're what @dantheman calls "evil whales?"
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The problem for the Whales is, there accounts are so large, that they would need to have blockbuster posts every day to cover the Dillution.
Most of the Whales are anachist, and would not want to be seen supporting such elitism (you see this already with Whales, downvoting Whales/pulling upvotes before payout, it happens a lot, probably at the request of the poster).
Your right, 'they could', but it will kill the project so they won't...
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Or they'd have to get almost all of the block production rewards and most of the (SP based) curation rewards. (spoiler alert they do)
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Ahhh, right of course. It's all in the percentages. That is clever, I hadn't thought of it.
And I know that even if they could, they wouldn't because they understand the long-term consequences. I just really like asking the questions "but what if they wanted to hurt the system? Could they? How badly?"
Thanks for the reply!
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:) I've seen your work on Game Therory. I would expect nothing less. Always great to bump into someone looking at all the angles ..
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Small correction, only because its nomenclature in the whitepaper.
The rewards part is 80 steem per minute.
What you call the "sp reward" is called "sp incentive" in the white paper and treated differently from rewards.
theres a bunch you didnt take into account in that model. INcluding that BP rewards all go to the top 19 witnesses (who are almost all in the top 1%)
It would be just as easy to make a case that rewards are concentrating, not diluting.
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The top 1%, depending on your definition of a user (I go by weekly actives) are around 170 users. These 19 witnesses make up ~12% of the top 1%.
EVEN these users need to achieve a 17.5% return on capital to cover Dillution over the next 12 months (all the other users are around 35%).
I posted my opinion on this in my previous post regarding Dillution, BUT I am activily collecting data each week monitoring these levels, so over the coarse of the next month, we will have a good idea what is actually happening
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orly? i suppose that depends on how you define user. For instance @dan and @dantheman
1 user or two users?
I think that concentration is an important issue thats worth discussing. That said, most of what youve written appears to be very very biased in favor of telling a story that simply isn't true.
I took the liberty o f analysing your numbers, and pointing out the errors in your method and your assumptions, at least as I see them:
I hope youll take a look and comment
https://steemit.com/steem/@sigmajin/cooking-the-books-the-real-story-of-whales-and-dilution
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I'm so happy to see more "Where does the money come from?" posts! I started a #bitcoinpizza contest a few weeks ago to try and get more people to think about this stuff. I think it will probably take many more explanations over time and, eventually, each one of us will have to be able to articulate it in our own words before our friends and family will truly understand what's going on here. This gets me really excited because it just might finally cause the tipping point in society where people challenge their own notions of where value and money come from and, hopefully, pave the way for a more voluntary future without centralized, monopolistic control of value.
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Well done. This was really easy to understand and the examples were nice. It might make it a little easier if you hypothetical example synchronized the 50k and the 10,000k. The rewards should be 90k if you have 1 % stake and you get 90% of dilution. So your ownership would go to 0.99%.
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Thank you very much @hisnameisolllie. This is very clear explanation. Steem on!
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I'm glad to hear that @jjchic
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Very good explanation. I really have a big question mark for this for a long time. You have made it vrry clear. Thx @hisnameisolllie.
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God bless you ! Thank you
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nice post
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I came to much the same conclusion independently. The rewards come from the holders of the currency in proportion to the size of their holdings.
This begs the question: why would anyone hold the currency?
You can draw a parallel with Bitcoin: where does the money come from to pay the miners? The answer is that it comes from all the existing holders of Bitcoin, because every block reallocates the percentage of the market cap held by each person, slightly reducing all holder shares and giving it to the miner who found that block.
Why does anyone hold Bitcoin, knowing that their value is constantly being given to the miners? Because they hope that the market cap grows fast enough to counteract the losses due to having to pay miners.
And so that must be the answer for Steem currency holders too. They know that they are constantly losing market share by having it reallocated to fund rewards, but hope that the market cap grows fast enough to counteract those losses.
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Thanks for your post @dooglas
Equally, by that measure, only investments like Art (one off pieces) would be different from Steem, Bitcoin..
Why would anyone hold Gold, Currency, Commodities, Many Equities... They all adhere to the same dilutionary methods...
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Thanks for sharing now I understand how it works..
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me too.. thanks for the info..
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This explains the contribution reward as Steem Power. But, what about Steem Dollar? Where does it come from?
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@moonguy that probably warrants another post to do it justice. It's essentially convertible debt (convertible for Steem) which is printed in the same fashion as Steem Power...
I will post something over the next few days going into detail.
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Ok. Following u :-)
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Hope I get part of this daily rewards. Thank you for the information.
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Thanks a lot for the explanation. I was totally in the dark about this.
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Finally. Clarity!
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nice article
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We need more Dolphins as the Whales go Extinct !
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Nice post, thanks the information @hisnameisolllie
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Thank you, now a little bit more understand about contribution reward
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When do all these rewards get paid? Every day?
I read somewhere that miner rewards are paid once a month.
Could you clarify this area a bit more?
Thanks for your revealing post
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@cryptohead The curation and creation rewards get paid 12-18hours after a blog is posted.
I'm not 100% sure on the miners/witnesses rewards with regards to payment cycles...
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I've said this and say it again, not all inflation is bad.
The inflation on steemit is also decreasing eventually as the voting power gets diluted and the content grows (and not all new content will be paid).
So we have a dis-inflation model actually. It will not be 0 like with bitcoin, but it will stabilize.
Don't worry hyperinflation is not a risk for STEEM.
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Thank you @hisnameisollie once again for explaining dilution in plainer detail. But I believe that covers only one part of steemits platform money generation. I was researching that matter of paying rewards for a post on my own looking through older posts and came to few of them that helped me. I will post them here and can remove them if u mind. Everyone can take a look on them for better understanding if they like.
https://steemit.com/steem/@anonymint/who-pays-for-the-blogging-and-curation-rewards-part-1-steem-power
https://steemit.com/steem/@anonymint/who-pays-for-the-blogging-and-curation-rewards-part-2
This one above hold most interesting points I was most interested in the end of the post starting with a section named STEEM Debasement, followed by Alternative Designs section. But I believe that words "debt" and "ownership" should be used for "non SP" and "SP" respectively. Since rewards are paid in debt and in ownership, or in SP and non SP. Those SteemDollars that you can take out would be considered debt.
https://steemit.com/steem/@arhag/where-does-the-money-come-from-a-look-into-the-economics-of-steem
Steemit is complex and Dilution as Debasement along with lots of other stuff make it work. I hope they aren't the same thing.
Biggest dangers come from ignorance.
Once again thank you.
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this is true, but this debt is secured debt. Its secured by the same steem that gives steem power. SO when they say its s a debt instrument, think of it like a check (which is also a debt instrument). If you have $50 SBD, all that really is is a check written for $50 worth of steem.
So lets say you get paid $100 for a post. As youre probably already aware, you get $50 in steem power and $50 sbd.
When you get that $50 worth of steem power, the miners create $500 worth of steem. This goes into the vesting fund, which is like a big box that holds all the steem power. This is the "checking account" that your SBD check is written on. So in the same way you would make a deposit to your checking account when you write a check, the steem blockchain makes a deposit to their vesting fund to make sure they have enough money on hand to cover your check should you elect to cash it.
That 500 partially pays for the additional SP they gave you (50 steem) the rest goes to SP incentives (thats why your SP balance increases even when you do nothing). But the part that goes to SP incentives also goes to "back" this SBD debt.
When you use the convert SBD function in the UI, what happens is that the debt insturment (the steem dollars) is destroyed, and you are given steem from the vesting fund in return.
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Thanks for the deeper clarification of the matter. I can't do the math on this matter. But considering what is written in white paper under a section of Sustainable Debt to Ownership Ratios says: "For every SMD Steem creates, $19.00 of STEEM is also created and converted to SP.". Following on that I would do numbers differently than you, but it doesn't even matter what exact numbers are in question.
I believe your numbers are right or excellent for an explanation.
I was just interested to see some knowledgeable answer on that field and you explained with numbers how steem(in SP) and steem dollars are created for a user that receives them and what it means for the platform.
Last part about the conversion of SBD in UI was also something new thus really helpful.
People generally don't get how something gets value and don't get where money does comes from (@hisnameisollie explained that in the last post on this topic) but this part on creation is also very important IMHO, because it gives people real money they can take out immediately unlike vests.
It's very different from other cryptocurrencies in that matter since others operate on transferring "real" value and not creation of new value.
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The way they come up with the numbers is very counter intuitive (and also not the way i would do them)
So you make $50 SBD and $50 steem power for a blog, for a total of $100
they take $1000 and put it in the vesting fund.
$50 of that is to pay for your new steem power. The other $950 of that is the 19/1 DTO backing that theyre talking about (950:50 = 19:1)
see numbers 'R' fun!
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Absolutely right @leksimus. Looks like I went back a few too many steps for you ;) I decided to leave that alone for now, but thank you for posting some good follow on material. I will think about a follow on at some point to go into the Steem Dollar aspect...
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Thanks for the thorough walkthrough. I will save and reread it several times in hope that I can fully understand it :)
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One thing to note about dilution:
https://steemit.com/cryptocurrency/@inertia/dilution-not-a-tax-not-theft
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Thanks for your explanations and all the numbers in detail about where the money is coming from. We should know where the money goes: To all Steemit contributors :-)
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You dah man. Thanks for helping a steemit pleb like me grasp this stuff. :)
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Very useful information, but I still have questions:
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Hello @fishborne
Point 1, you are correct. For more information see my post on Dillution. We are around 0.9% per day now, this falls slowly to 0.18% over the course of the next 12 months, where it stays for the rest of time.
Steem has no rewards, SMD carries a 10% annual interest rate
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very well put! I'm learning more every day about the value of Steem(it). I'm following so keep up the good work!
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People who want more Steem or Steem Power fund the rewards in the process of buying Steem or Steem Power. But owning more Steem Power allows you to decide who will get the rewards...
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Essential right @luke490 People who buy Steem Power/Steem fund the reward EXIT (reward realisation), the rewards themselves are funded (technically) by everyone holding Steem/Steem Power.
Second sentence bang on! The more you have, the more influence you have in the reward allocation.
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It really helps a lot.Nice work @hisnameisolllie.
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Thanks a lot! I was kind of lost about all of this and now I leave this post with my head clear.
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Small holder here... Anyone wanna read and like my medical blog! #shamelessplug ;) https://steemit.com/@gmalhotra
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Miner/Witness's Reward is only (sightly more than) 20 per minute.
There is also theoretically a liquidity reward of 20 per minute but it is (theoretically temporarily) disabled.
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Thanks for that @smooth
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