Who pays for the blogging and curation rewards? (Part 2)

in steem •  8 years ago  (edited)

In part 1, I derived the math for the share of the cost of rewards that is paid (as debasement) by STEEM POWER (SP) holders.

I’m going to attempt to make that math more comprehensible to the average person. And I will explain the share of the cost paid by liquid STEEM holders. (which you might realize, includes all the STEEM held on exchange markets such as Poloniex)

Whitepaper Clarified

Some readers wanted clarification of how the linked section the white paper related to the first two paragraphs of Part 1. The white paper says that total (curation+content) rewards minted (i.e. created out-of-nothing) yearly are 3.875% + 3.875% = 7.75% of the money supply. That is 77.5% of the 10% of the money supply that is minted yearly for curation+content rewards, mining rewards, and (the currently disabled) SD liquidity rewards. Note the white paper needs to be updated because the split between curation and content rewards is no longer 50/50, but that change is irrelevant to what is discussed in this blog post. Edit: @arhag has supplied some updated numbers of 5.5% to SP, 0.75% to STEEM, and 3.25% to SD.

By the end of an entire year, 100%¹ of the money supply has been minted (i.e. a doubling), with 90% being distributed to existing SP holders, 0.75% to STEEM, 5.5% to new SP holders (not 5% which was an error in Part 1), and 3.25% to STEEM DOLLARS (SD). The latter two items include the 7.75% curation+content rewards which are according to @arhag no longer split 50/50 between SP and SD.

SP Debasement Clarified: simplified model

In Part 1, we first considered the math for the debasement of SP in a simplified approximation to get an intuitive feel for the concept, before moving on to the more precise and obtuse model.

The simplified model is to ignore the 5.5% of the money supply minted as SP for rewards, and just consider the 90% of the money supply minted yearly as SP, which is distributed proportionally to existing SP holders— somewhat² analogous to a forward stock split.

As an example of the simplified model, if we assume there are 90 units of SP for every 10 units non-SP in the money supply (where non-SP means all STEEM and SD), then if we normalize the money supply to 100 and thus assume there are 90 SP, the yearly money supply increase of 100 adds 90 SP to the money supply. So at the end of an entire year, the supply of SP increases to 180 while the money supply increases to 200. Since 180 ÷ 200 = 90%, the ratio of SP:non-SP remained at 90:10. So this shows that in the simplified model, there is no debasement of SP when the ratio of SP:non-SP is90:10.

SP Debasement Clarified: precise model

To account for the 5.5% of the money supply minted as SP for rewards, we can’t model an entire year monolithically because every hour when the hour’s portion of the aforementioned yearly 90% are distributed to existing SP holders, also a hour’s portion of the aforementioned yearly 5.5% is created for rewards to new SP holders. Then on the next hour, those new SP holders are included in the list of existing SP holders who receive the next hour’s portion of the 90% distributed to existing SP holders. So conceptually I hope readers can visualize in their mind that every hour the existing SP holders are being debased by the new SP holders relative to the sharing of the aforementioned 90% that will be minted for SP holders in an entire year. That is a bit complex to explain and understand, so you might need to read this paragraph more than once.

To derive the math for this model, we write down an equation normalized to 100 money supply, with one term for each (of the 8760) hour of the year as follows. The equation represents the amount of SP received by those who were holding SP at the beginning of a year period and which held for the entire year. Note the hour’s portion the reward is subtracted from the hour’s portion of the forward split and accumulated for each hour of the year as follows.

where r is the ratio of SP:non-SP expressed as fraction, but I think I had an error in Part 1 and r can be always set to 1 because this ratio is accounted for else where in the overall computation.

Simplified to:

And employing the equation for the nth triangular number:

(note: the prior versions of these equations before I made edits suggested by @arhag are still on the blockchain, if readers want to research the facts of the discussion in the comments between @sigmajin and myself)

So the example from the simplified model adds 90 - 2.75 SP to the money supply. So (90 + 90 - 2.75) ÷ 200 = 88.625%. So compared to the starting ratio of 90%, the preexisting SP holders are debased by 1.375% of 90%, i.e. 1.375 ÷ 90 = 1.5% loss of proportion of the money supply. Here is the corrected chart from Part 1:

SP:non-SPYearly Debasement Rate
100:06.4% loss
95:54.1% loss
90:101.5% loss
87:130.1% (~forward stock split²)
80:204.5% gain
70:3012.3% gain
60:4022.7% gain
50:5037.3% gain
40:6059.1% gain
30:7095.4% gain
20:80168% gain
10:90386% gain
5:95823% gain
1:994313% gain

In the comment section of Part 1, @sigmajin thought my math was in error because I didn’t mention the way the blockchain “invisibly” accounts for SP as VESTS. This is entirely irrelevant to my correct math, because when the vesting fund is increased by the 90% money supply, this 90% is distributed to the existing SP holders and thus any adjustment to the number of STEEM per VEST is a “wash” (i.e. forward stock split) for the existing SP holders. The new SP minted for the rewards paid out of a 5.5% portion (i.e. 55% ) of the other 10% of the money supply created, is also accounted for in my math as explained earlier in this section.

STEEM Debasement

The debasement of existing STEEM is always 50% loss because 100% money supply is created yearly and none of it distributed to preexisting STEEM holders.

The ratio of SP:non-SP only impacts the number of STEEM units which are debased 50% loss and the change to the said ratio, but not the rate of STEEM debasement. And as shown in the prior section, impacts the rate of debasement of SP holders.

Alternative Designs

It is interesting to consider the effect of alternative designs for a Steem-like blockchain which would use a different ratio than 95.5 units of SP minted for every 3.25 units of SD and 0.75 units of STEEM (note afaics @arhag is missing 0.5 units), i.e. 90 units distributed to preexisting SP holders for every 10 other units minted.

As that ratio drops, the amount of debasement of STEEM declines for the same amount of rewards as a percentage of the money supply and the rate of increase of the money supply reduces. And the debasement of SP increases for any SP:non-SP ratio. For example in the simplified model if 10 units are distributed to preexisting SP holders for every 10 other units minted, STEEM yearly debasement reduces to only a 16.7% loss and SP yearly debasement increases to only 7.9% loss for the 95:5 ratio of SP:non-SP. And the money supply only increases 20% yearly.

Who Actually Pays

The debasement of SP holders is not a complete picture of who pays, because the game theory for rewards indicates that perhaps hypothetically deviant whales could in theory offset any debasement and increase their share of the money supply. Although I haven’t developed a precise model, it appears that the more SP stake a holder controls, then proportionally some non-linear less debasement. Meaning I posit that the system appears to hypothetically economically favor concentration of the wealth to those who already concentrate the wealth in the deviant scenario. But this theory is yet unconfirmed.


¹ The level is currently significantly higher than 100% and is continuously dropping until it will eventually (afaik sometime next year) stabilize at this 100% yearly level.

² When the ratio of SP:non-SP is 87:13, then it is precisely (well 0.1% is close enough) analogous to a forward stock split because each SP holders’ share of the money supply doesn’t change.

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  ·  8 years ago (edited)

Good post, but there are some errors in it.

By the end of the year (not including the initial high issuance rate during the first year), the 10% not going to existing SP holders is distributed as follows:

  • 1.5% goes to block producers (witnesses and miners) directly as SP.
  • 0.75% goes to liquidity providers as STEEM (actually currently it doesn't because liquidity rewards have been temporarily disabled).
  • Some amount between 2.906% and 3.875% goes to authors as SD (depends on how much users vote during the reverse auction period).
  • And the remaining amount somewhere between 3.875% and 4.844% goes to authors and curators directly as SP.

Keep in mind, the above numbers are still an estimate which does not take into account more complicated effects that depend on user actions and market conditions that are hard to predict, such as the price changes of STEEM relative to USD, powering up/down, and conversion of SD to STEEM.

But with the above estimates, and an assumption of user behavior regarding voting during the reverse auction period, one could roughly estimate the distribution of that 10% to the various different asset classes as follows:

  • 6% goes to new SP (Thanks to @anonymint for finding my arithmetic error that caused me to incorrectly write 5.5% here originally.)
  • 0.75% goes to STEEM
  • 3.25% goes to SD

Regarding your precise model, I'm having trouble making any sense of it. I've tried modeling it myself assuming that the system rewards authors with STEEM instead of SD (to ignore the complicated effects due to STEEM price changes and conversions) and assuming that the fraction p of the total STEEM supply held as Steem Power remains constant throughout the year (meaning users power up or down as necessary to maintain that fraction p). I also define d to be total annual issuance rate (i.e. d = 1 in the design of the current system since Steem is designed to issue 100% of the total STEEM supply each year as new STEEM) and v to be the fraction of all newly issued STEEM that goes towards the vest pool (i.e. v = 0.9 in the current code).

The result of that model is that the effective annual growth rate of one's fractional ownership of the total Steem Power (assuming they do not power up or down and do not earn any Steem Power rewards) is given by the formula:
$$ r = \frac{\left[ 1 + \frac{v}{p} \left( (1 + d)^{\frac{1}{8760}} - 1 \right) \right]^{8760}}{1 + d} - 1 $$

Click here to see a plot of the annual growth rate (expressed as a percentage) of one's fractional ownership of total Steem Power (again assuming they do nothing with it), which is the vertical axis in the plot, versus the fraction of the total STEEM supply that is maintained as Steem Power throughout the year, which is the horizontal axis of the plot.

I think the alternative design you propose is interesting. If you include the compounding effect, the worse case annual loss in fractional ownership of total SP is still only 8.7% (which is only a little bit higher than the current worst case rate of 6.7%), while the dilution of liquid STEEM is, as you mentioned, reduced to a 16.7% loss per year.

We can explore other possible configurations under the same constraint that 10% of the overall STEEM supply is issued per year for the purpose of paying/rewarding users (block production, liquidity rewards, and content/curation rewards). See this plot (the first one on that page) to see annual percentage loss of fractional ownership of the asset, the vertical axis, for Steem Power (the bottom blue line) and STEEM (the top red line) in the scenario where those assets are just held for a year without earning any new rewards and 95% of the total STEEM supply is maintained in Steem Power throughout the year. They are plotted against annual STEEM issuance rate as a percent, the horizontal axis, which ranges from the minimum of 10% (which means all issued STEEM goes to rewarding users and none goes into the vest pool) to 100% (which is the annual rate the current Steem code is designed to issue new STEEM after this first year).

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  • 5.5% goes to new SP
  • 0.75% goes to STEEM
  • 3.25% goes to SD

I've updated my blog to reflect these numbers and also the 8760 hours of compounding instead of 365 days, but seems you are missing 0.5% there because that doesn't add up to 10%?

  ·  8 years ago (edited)

You are right. I made a simple math mistake. I've corrected it now. Thanks.

You can still keep using the 5.5% number if you want, by the way. Really any number between 5.375% and 6.344% would technically be acceptable for the percentage of newly issued STEEM going to new SP (although the lower end of that interval is unrealistic). And then correspondingly, that percentage subtracted from 7.75% is the percentage of newly issued STEEM going to new SD. The exact percentages within those intervals depend on voting behavior. If no one (including the author) was ever to vote on a post/comment in the first 30 minutes after its creation, then the numbers would be 6.344% to new SP and 2.906% to new SD.

I'm curious. How are you aware of these precise algorithms? Are you studying the source code or privy to some developer discussions some where?

It's all in the public source code.

It's all in the public source code.

Okay so that means you have already a significant investment of time in the Steem blockchain code base. You do realize that for someone like myself who has never studied the Graphene blockchain nor the Steem modications, I would be digging around for fairly long time before I'd be able to figure that out from the source code.

  ·  8 years ago (edited)

5:95 831% gain

so are you finally admitting i was right? because you seem to have changed your math from the last post, and now youre agreeing with me about the 5:95 percent thing, where as last time this was in your chart.

5:95 +349% gain

which was, as i told you, completely wrong.

So i just want to clarify, just to make sure im 100% clear.

WHen i told you your math was off, i was right. And you, by extension were wrong. And all those snide little comments about how i was wasting your time and was stupid and was just confusing myself. that was you being wrong. Im easily confused you see, so i just want to make absolutely certain i understand whats going on.

And by extension, Dr. Complexring , and theoretical, and dantheman, all of whose upvotes you explicitly cited as backing your math, they were wrong too.

and i was right. just little old me.

Also just as a side note, i never said your math was in error becasue you didnt mention vests. I just said its easiest to see that why and how your math doesnt work if you understood how vests work. Which is how i saw you were wrong way way more quickly than you did.

By the way, your math is now correct.

By the way, your math is now correct.

It was always correct, even in Part 1, as I will explain below.

5:95 +349% gain

That is a typo in the table from Part 1. If you had actually taken the time to input the numbers into the equation of Part 1 90 - 5÷r×183÷365 assuming r = 1, then you would have computed:

((((5 + 90 - 2.51) ÷ 200) × 100) - 5) ÷ 5 = 8.249 thus 824.9%

Even if we take r = 0.95 as I incorrectly did in Part 1, then the computation would be:

((((5 + 90 - 2.64) ÷ 200) × 100) - 5) ÷ 5 = 8.236 thus 823.6%

As written in the comments in Part 1, I had been awake about 20 hours when I composed the blog for Part 1, and this had been a whirlwind week of only sleeping a few hours every 24 hours, so I simply made a typo when entering the numbers into the calculator, but my equations were not incorrect.

You didn't even take the time to check the equation and just jumped into making false accusations.

And by extension, Dr. Complexring , and theoretical, and dantheman, all of whose upvotes you explicitly cited as backing your math, they were wrong too. and i was right. just little old me.

You are spoiling the uplifting vibes of community spirit.

It was always correct, even in Part 1, as I will explain below.

So youre saying everything was correct from the beginning.

Except the actual answers.

They were wrong.

But everything else besides the answers was right.

You didn't even take the time to check the equation and just jumped into making false accusations.

No, i just jumped in and said "your math is off" which it was. That was not a false accusation, it was 100% true.

It could have been off due to a typo or it could have been off due to a brain annuerism. It was off. ANd it caused you to come up with a completely wrong answer. Which i pointed out.

If you would have spent 5 minutes checking over your own work, rather than finding 26 different ways to call me a fuckwit, you would have figured out the error for yourself, when i pointed it out to you.

I told you flat out that i didnt get what you were trying to do. Just that you were coming up with the wrong answer.

But everything else besides the answers was right.

The equation is an answer. The numbers were typoed in the calculator. Why try to spin it in a negative light as something other than it was.

It could have been off due to a typo or it could have been off due to a brain annuerism. It was off.

Disingenuous. If the equation is correct, and you didn't even check the equation, then you have no grounds to be doing peer review. You would instead note that there is a typo in the numbers that were input into the equation and not false accuse that the underlying math of the equation is incorrect.

It is the equation that matters. The equation determines whether the mathematical concept of Part 1 was incorrect. The final numbers are superfluous. That is why we are required to show our derivations on math exams.

Please I think you know what peer review is and how it is done.

  ·  8 years ago (edited)

Also just as a side note, i think its super shitty to dodge the issue and try to say you were correct all along when your math was clearly in error, and not even have the courtesy to acknowledge the fact that i spent like two hours getting you to understand why.

This isnt a "clarification" this is you were 100% wrong in your other post, now youre posting numbers you came up with using the formula i gave you in the comments. Frankly, its borderline plagarism.

EDIT unflagged, because his numbers are slightly different.

Why are you such a hater? Please don't spam my blog with incessant incoherent walls of text as you did in Part 1. Organize your comments well as @arhag did above. This is supposed to be a community process of uplifting each other, not a dick measuring contest. I tried to be cordial with you in the comments in Part 1, but you went off the rails with false accusations and incoherent arguments.

i think its super shitty to dodge the issue and try to say you were correct all along when your math was clearly in error

Please see my discussion with @arhag above, so you can realize that my math is not incorrect.

now youre posting numbers you came up with using the formula i gave you in the comments. Frankly, its borderline plagarism

Nonsense. I am using the same math that I had in the Part 1 blog. You can see the equation for the more precise model is the same, except I correct the typo from 365 to 364 for the last term, which had nothing to do with the issues you were raising. All I did was clarify the math I already had in Part 1 (and added new sections about other topics).

You continue to make false accusations. Please stop doing that.

And please stop stalking my blogs making false accusations in my past 3 blogs (excepting the silly one I made with a Locomotion video for fun).

Edit. Flagged for failure to cite. incredibly dishonest and its really unfortunate that founders and a top witness support this.

Edit: and so now that I proved in my comment response that you were making false accusations, you further go off the rails and downvote me out of spite even though I had told you I would not downvote your comments because I didn't want to incite a war with you.

  ·  8 years ago (edited)

so youre using the "same math" and getting completely different results. Results that were exactly the same as I told you you should be getting last time... and its somehow my fault that you couldn't get simple math right becuase you think my posts were "incoherent"

ANyone who looks at the comments in you last blog can clearly see that youre now using exactly the same formula that i gave you in the comments in your last blog.

YOure arrogance is just off the charts. So is your dishonesty.

and of course, anyone who corrects your glaring errors is a hater. because you couldnt ever be wrong.

Fact: you have different numbers here than you had in your chart in the first post.

fact: theyre exactly the numbers you would get using the debasement formula i gave you.

fact: you glossed over being 100% wrong about debasement rates.

ANyone who looks at the comments in you last blog can clearly see that youre now using exactly the same formula that i gave you in the comments in your last blog.

YOure arrogance is just off the charts. So is your dishonesty.

The blockchain has all the history. I wrote my equation in Part 1 before you wrote your comments in Part 1. I didn't edit my blog in Part 1 to change the equation after reading your comments.

You are off the rails man. Calm down.

EDIT: the most ironic is that I did cite you in this blog. I devoted an entire paragraph to acknowledging our discussion from Part 1.

So your accusation of me plagiarizing without attribution is obviously a lie.

And I did cite @arhag in Part 1.

Edit: and so now that I proved in my comment response that you were making false accusations, you further go off the rails and downvote me out of spite even though I had told you I would not downvote your comments because I didn't want to incite a war with you.

unflagged. I didnt see that comment. i still think this post, and referencing me in it and "correcting your typo" without ever admitting you were wrong is shitty, but you came up with slightly different numbers than me so maybe its not a total cut and paste.

we im done with this

unflagged ... so maybe its not a total cut and paste.
we im done with this

Ty. Best to you. I don't hold grudges. You pushed me too far which is why I took the issue more publicized. I am done with this argument also.

Can you link to the specific post that you think acts as proof of "borderline plagiarism" by @anonymint? I just quickly skimmed his part 1 thread and saw that you to had a lot of back and forth discussion. But I'm not sure what the conclusion was with all that. I haven't read it carefully, but I don't see any formulas in that discussion thread that were copied from you by @anonymint and used in his post.

  ·  8 years ago (edited)

EDIT: i checked it and his numbers are still off from mine, though not nearly by as much anymore., so its not C+P . That said the post where i gave an equation is here https://steemit.com/steem/@anonymint/who-pays-for-the-blogging-and-curation-rewards-part-1-steem-power#@sigmajin/re-anonymint-who-pays-for-the-blogging-and-curation-rewards-part-1-steem-power-20160808t171459965z i think he accounts for SBD in this one, and i wasn't in mine.

Still think its overall dishonest to pretend to have been right all along, though, especially after spending the whole thread calling me a fuckwit for telling him he was wrong in the first place. But its not outright c+p like i initially thought.

Alright well, I certainly haven't been impressed by @anonymint's social etiquette but plagiarism is a strong claim. And from what I'm seeing here, perhaps he might have benefited and been influenced by your discussion (don't know for sure since it is a really long discussion and I don't have time to go through it all), but he didn't just copy your work and present it as his own.

I certainly haven't been impressed by @anonymint's social etiquette

I think you are referring to ONE error I had in the compounding rate in the blog about how users could become millionaires in SP if they remained vested in SP and how I responded to @bacchist's allegation that my blog was incorrect?

I don't think there have been any other instances other than my exasperation in how to squelch the very long walls of text and false accusations that @sigmajin was putting in the comments.

Well you should know what precipitated that exchange is that @bacchist and I were having some friction over at Bitcointalk well before that, because he was a staunch supporter of Steem and I was very skeptical. He accused me of being wrong about every thing I wrote, and that was a false accusation. I had maybe 3 math errors total while trying to learn this very complex and incompletely/inadequately documented system. I don't think it is fair to extrapolate from that one instance.

I was at that time receiving the brunt of the resistance to any critical analysis of Steem on BCT. Since then, it appears we've all become more amicable (or at least tolerant) and especially as my understanding of Steem has become more solid. I came from 0 understanding of Steem to nearly expert on Steem (at least in some facets) in a matter of a few weeks. You all have been in this for many months or more.

Please allow some consideration. Also please consider that I am 51 years old and I am suffering from a chronic ailment which is a major struggle against bouts of Chronic Fatigure Syndrome, brain fog, and insomnia. I have to really grit my teeth and battle every day, so I don't have luxury of the good feelings you have naturally (I struggle for the level of energy to work that you have naturally and don't even pay attention to about yourself). My condition is improving though. I've been working something like 120 hours a week past few weeks, so I am zombifried.

perhaps he might have benefited and been influenced by your discussion (don't know for sure since it is a really long discussion and I don't have time to go through it all), but he didn't just copy your work and present it as his own.

Not only that I didn't benefit at all from his discussion with me (sorry just being honest because he just made me confused as evident by the back & forth in the comments in Part 1 between him and myself where he took me off on tangents because I thought he was stating the opposite of the way I know the design to be, but this may have just been a communication problem), but I absolutely didn't source any thing from him at all. Rather tt is the interaction with you from that prior incident with @bacchist that is the source I attributed in Part 1. But my idea of the equation which is different from yours, has been that way since that time. It was always my original idea (afaik).

I didn't even read his blog posts before I wrote my Part 1 blog, which is evident by my response to his comment in Part 1 where he linked me to his blogs. It is also evident because I presume he doesn't incorporate the aspect of my equation which is different from your equation. But I dunno, because I still haven't digested his blog posts (because I personally find them very contorted and hard to read and I am too overworked to waste my time trying to decipher his blog posts).

Edit: sigmajin posted 9 minutes after this comment of mine, and admits he didn't even know for sure if I had copied him before he downvoted and accused me of plagiarism (the guy doesn't even check before he flings mud):

looking.. its long

Edit#2: he has edited his comment and erased the above quote, but it is still on the blockchain.

EDIT: i checked it and his numbers are still off from mine, though not nearly by as much anymore

My numbers were never far off from yours even in Part 1, I just had a typo in the calculator. If you had used my equation from Part 1 instead of just glancing at my table of debasement rates, then you would have seen this and not have gone off on your incessant spamming of the comments.

To do peer review, you need to at least check the equations in your calculation. You are blaming your laziness on me and trying to turn your laziness into me doing plagiarism. It is incredibly insane what you are doing. Please stop. This is not the way to build a community.

Also you still haven't incorporated the concept in my equations that new SP reward holders are a debasement w.r.t. to preexisting SP holders in competition for the future SP splits for that year period. Because you haven't even taken the time to understand. You are just comparing the numbers that are computed as the final result and shooting from the hip without even knowing WTF you talking about w.r.t. to how my equation is different and insightful in a different way than @arhag and your prior blogs.

TROLL!

https://steemit.com/economics/@sigmajin/a-great-example-of-whats-wrong-with-steemit

whales, read before you upvote this please.

ESY, jason

And so now you use your false accusations to try to influence Steemians to not reward me for my very hard effort. Dude I am a senior level programmer meaning I can earn $75 per hour or more, so if I put days into researching and organizing my understanding and then more hours writing and responding to comments, then it would be nice if Steem is rewarding me for my sincere effort.

I was sleeping while you added these comments to my blog post, and do I don't know how much damage you've done to my potential reward.

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Are you able to summarize this in plain English so that people who don't have a mathematics degree can understand if it makes sense to the average person.

"I’m going to attempt to make that math more comprehensible to the average person. And I will explain the share of the cost paid by liquid STEEM holders. (which you might realize, includes all the STEEM held on exchange markets such as Poloniex)"

Try again. Limit it to 250 words. :)

Well perhaps it could be reworded in a non-mathematical way. I am bit burnout on this topic for the time being. Maybe I will come back to again and attempt to write it down without math.

But I think also we should allow some time for the analysis about game theory vulnerabilities to be hashed out. Because they may dominate the real answer to "Where does the money come from?".

Thanks for your feedback. You have good point.

That was very technical way and over my head, not your fault its mine for not being good with numbers. I won't have a problem with money on here unless a miracle happens.

It would be great if someone wrote a basic summary in plain English of all this mumbo jumbo :D

Got to agree but seems the only way to earn anything on here is to post the most complicated baffling post ever where I haven't got a hope.

See my reply to one of your blog posts.

Karen, keep posting your ideas and comments. At some point, someone will recognize your value contributions.

Now is that wishing to much but thanks anyway

Great post filled with information I think many are curious about.

Nice post! What makes this whole analysis more complicated, is the fact that the attraction of new steemians increases the overall value of the community. There are positieve external effects in a network economy. That will influence the spot prices of steem in a difficult to predict manner.

Couldn't read to the end. too long. too technical

It is intended to be technical but still approachable to average people, and the reason is so they can really understand deeply the system design. You may prefer Part 1, which was more concise.

Thanks, I will check it out.

Good post, interesting read and helpful

Very helpful! Thanks

I was waiting for an explanation like this.
This won't matter in just two hours.
But to help average Joes better understanding you could in you section about Alternative Designs that SP means ownership and non​ SP is debt as stated in white​paper.

Well SD wouldn't be debt, because they are earning a (currently 10% APR) interest rate. I guess we can think of liquid STEEM (i.e. non-SP which is not SD) as debt because it has a much higher rate of constant debasement loss, so it is mathematically similar to a loan to buy some stable value commodity where the loan is being paid by selling off chunks of that inventory, i.e. your SP value being depleted by interest rate. But most loans aren't paid back that way, so I think the analogy is confusing.

I prefer to think of liquid STEEM as bad money and SP as good money, in Gresham's law. Remember bad money drives good money out-of-circulation. However that isn't entirely apt either, because SP is not entirely good as it lacks liquidity. So if one could circulate SP, it might be the case they would circulate some and not only liquid STEEM.

Rather I think the most apt analogy is liquid STEEM are Argentina/Venezuela pesos and and SP are time-locked CDs (certificates of deposit). Yet those still aren't entirely accurate because these are not just currencies, they are also equities in a highly volatile asset class (small cap altcoins).

Thank you for explaining that extensively I see your points. I have similar worries about this altcoin, which are only intuition based on aspects of beeing afraid it would be depleted from it's market value soon. But your presentation made me realize I have much to learn. Thank you again for sharing your knowledge and ​thoughts.

Useful information. Thanks a lot!

Clarification is greatly appreciated.

Great post for detail analysis.

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