Moving to hive

http://www.steemreports.com/delegation-info/?account=sweetsssj

transisto (74) · 7 years ago (edited)

@sweetsssj SP is the responsibility of it's delegators, Who is this person and what is his motive to still delegate to her after this much apparent selective rewarding?

A quick review of these 3 account show that they are controlled by the same person. @hendrikdegrote
@systema
@temet-nosce

Has anyone tried or been able to contact the person behind @hendrikdegrote to let him know how his stake is being abused?

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7 votes

son-of-satire (69) · 7 years ago

So why don't you just flag it then, that's what the 12 hours of only downvoting are for, no?

We have already seen all this shit about sweetsssj a ton of times now. You are taking the piss if you genuinely think that the answer to this is you getting paid 500 SBD from the reward pool for telling us all something we already knew, and that we lack the power to do anything about.

You have the power. So do it silently and stop raping the reward pool. You really have no reason to. If you want legitimate reasons to post that are worthy of rewards, I have no problem giving you ideas. I have many that would be good for someone like you. I wouldn't even want anything in return other than for you to stop taking the piss with these tiny posts that are full of shit we already knew, that are milking the reward pool unnecessarily.

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berniesanders (77) · 7 years ago (edited)

You've been here long enough to know that flagging is a complete waste of voting power. If I'm going to flag, you better believe I'm going to recover those lost rewards somehow.

Also, dummy, as you can see I paid for all of these votes and will likely not earn more than I spent to have this pushed to the top of trending.

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barne734 (54) · 7 years ago

bernie will you check out this post I have done on @twitternomore here: https://steemit.com/life/@barne734/twitternomore-stealing-from-the-reward-pool
Somehow this profile is able to upvote their own post with only 200 Steem power and they receive around $9 SBD, how is this possible, I have around 700 sp and can only upvote myself around $0.21 SBD?

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whatsup (75) · 7 years ago

The irony in this ...

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littlescribe (65) · 7 years ago (edited)

Yeah, no kidding! So @barne734, I think you saw my comment on the other thread that it's just a sock puppet account from nextgen622, who is the one voting the twitternomore posts up.

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waygreenergrass (39) · 7 years ago

Do you upvote a lot of things? Each time you upvote, it dilutes your future upvoting power temporarily. It's a little more complicated than this, but I think basically you recharge 20 100% upvotes each day. If you go over that, then it will take more than one day to recharge back to full upvoting power.

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underground (67) · 7 years ago

try 20- 100% UV/day and lmk how that works out for ya ;)
It's 11 by my calculations. But the recycle period on that would be right at 24 hours so they say 10 votes.

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aenor (64) · 7 years ago

Doesn't upvoting someone else work the same as flagging? In that teh pool is fixed so by upvoting someone else you shift the percentage payouts?

I think the real problem on this site is that only a few people vote, most don't bother because they think their votes don't count (though they do in aggregate).

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10 votes

berniesanders (77) · 7 years ago

When you flag you take away from one person, when you upvote you take away from everyone. Not quite the same.

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onnovocks (49) · 7 years ago

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theinsideout (52) · 7 years ago (edited)

Maybe that's the question. How can people be encouraged to curate? My typical .001 curation rewards won't encourage it for returns, but people do it on Quora and Reddit for free because of engagement.

What's different? I really think if we had some sort of communities, it would help. The trending page is mostly crap, and if you're not interested in pumping the crypto of the day, it's boring. I've followed people who interested me, but most of them don't post that often because, you know, it's not worth it if you can't get exposure.

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wwamd (53) · 7 years ago

This! You are so on point. The barrier to getting a post worth anything for anyone’s with under 1000 SP is really going to hurt and make it so those whales are now super powerful and we need to retool the site so we can handle when YouTube and other social media start losing users to us. I think there are a lot of tweaks that would make this destination numero uno for a lot of people. But there are certainly things holding it back like the utter powerlessness of a user like me who has 500+ followers but can’t get a blog above $1 no matter what I do, what I write about, how I tag it and what time I post it. If we had groups we would have microenvironments that people could become involved in and it wouldn’t absolutely benefit the platform and all users current and future as a whole. Without a doubt. Upvoted and Followed.

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blockchainyouth (61) · 7 years ago

Very well said have an upvote and follow me old mate

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abh12345 (76) · 7 years ago

How can people be encouraged to curate?

If I could ask you to take a look at my recent post titled 'Steemit: The Curation Leagues' - This is my method, I offer prizes for doing it!

theinsideout (52) · 7 years ago

That's a great effort. Thanks for contributing.

abh12345 (76) · 7 years ago

are you going to join the fun?

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dadup (40) · 7 years ago

Thats awesome man! At what point in a New Steemian career can they even offer that type of Blog contest or prize without at least having a good followings, reps, steem dollar/power/steem etc?

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brice-koeniguer (25) · 7 years ago

So far I've fckin spent approx 40 quids in time, shuffling on steemit.
Now I've realized it's loads of sht I want my money back.

theinsideout (52) · 7 years ago

Yeah, you can't get any visibility without votes, but you can't get votes without visibility. Obviously, the company line is you have to invest to power up, get a delegation, etc. I've also heard you had to produce qualify content, and that would certainly help, but judging by the trending page, it doesn't ALWAYS appear to be a requirement.

Seriously, you can get some traction without that by engaging with communities and promoting your work, but it's very tough because it takes a lot of skill, improvement, and endurance. That's why there are so many inactive users.

Anyway, I just throw a bit out here and there and hope that in a year or two the ship's still floating, and my account will be worth more. It's no get-quick-rich platform unless you enter into it funded with either money or a large base of followers.

This isn't necessarily a total criticism. My daddy always used to warn me that the world did not revolve around me. I'm just saying that people need to have the right expectations.

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8 votes

dadup (40) · 7 years ago

Beautifully said. I am in that slow riding boat. I can see the trend that people who have a good following from youtube can make it good on steemit. Hence why Im gonna start doing more parody skits on youtube in the long run in hopes of building a fan base. Its gonna take a lot of work and time. I will do it for fun or else I will feel burnt out when I see no quick progress. It should not be a get rich quick gimmick, here on steemit or on youtube.

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waygreenergrass (39) · 7 years ago

So when you say that you will recover those lost rewards, what does that mean?

Sweetsssj appears to be recovering her lost rewards by upvoting accounts that cash out to the same account as she does, and I understand fully why you find this repulsive, because seems not just greedy, but also deceptive. But, at the end of the day, she's trying to recoup losses to inflation that this platform imposes on all STEEM holders.

So, what's your method of keeping those rewards for yourself, and what makes your method morally superior to hers?
And, if it is morally superior, why aren't you just teaching her to do it your way instead?

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hueso (46) · 7 years ago

You could promote instead of self-voting if you want visibility.

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travelersmemoire (58) · 7 years ago

We could make votes go down in value as posts age so day one votes at 100% are worth 100% but a last minute day six vote at 100% is only worth say 20%.

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dadup (40) · 7 years ago

Dang Bernie. You are on a crusade. I couldnt help but laugh when you called "son of satire" dummy. Simple non expletive language. I like. I know you are against people like haijin and trevonj. Saw an old post where you flagged Dollarvigilante. I know I will be a whale one day. How do I give back to the community and not become a greedy son of a gun?

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onnovocks (49) · 7 years ago

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son-of-satire (69) · 7 years ago

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berniesanders (77) · 7 years ago

The ONLY bot of my own that I used was @randowhale. The rest of the large votes on this post are NOT my bots.

I didn't read past that because I'm assuming it's pure bullshit just like the beginning of your ignorant rant. You need to get a clue, right now you haven't got one.

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16 votes

son-of-satire (69) · 7 years ago (edited)

Don't attempt to obfuscate the issue. @randowhale may or may not be the only bot of yours that has upvoted this post, but several of your other accounts have. Also, I have seen no evidence that you are not transisto, and so for all I know they're fucking all you.

But either way it does not matter. I have said my piece, and I won't keep giving you more excuses to rape the reward pool via comment upvotes.

Also, we all know you read it. And your electing to pretend you did not only highlights my point. It is time to grow up, Bernie. And that means start living up to the responsibilities that come with being a highly influential member of an economy that determines the well-being of (soon)millions-- and their families.

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18 votes

berniesanders (77) · 7 years ago

I'm going to grow up by making sure nobody sees the bullshit lies you are spreading, to start.

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16 votes

son-of-satire (69) · 7 years ago

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berniesanders (77) · 7 years ago

"determines the well-being of (soon)millions-- and their families" - fucking moron

izge (51) · 7 years ago

Well you guys are having a swell time going on each other like. Well @son-of-satire I want you to know that I need help in what form.

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son-of-satire (69) · 7 years ago

I am afraid I do not understand. Can you elaborate?

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wwamd (53) · 7 years ago

The squeaky wheel right? I value people pointing it out. We need people that will take abuse to express their speech especially in order to highlight issues in Steemit. We all want this to be a fair place so I have no issue with this post especially if there was time put in to research and not taking drone pictures of a beach and the luxury resort you are at paid for by pointless blogs. It leaves a bad taste. On that I will always agree and the community needs to stop pushing these single posts so high with SP delegation. Maybe the delegation is turning out to be too easy to use to game the algo. Was Steemit designed to do that or are what we see artifacts of a flawed idea?

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stbrians (54) · 7 years ago

A good one here

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jie28 (56) · 7 years ago

You have a point of view. on my own view @berniesanders on his part is a jealousy. because our lovely sexy sweetsssj must on a win win situation on her part. it's that's true @son-of-satire? just only my opinion?

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gonzo (68) · 7 years ago

I have read a few posts about @sweetsssj, it sounds like she has tons of accounts and uses @ned's delegation to upvote each, then sends all the rewards to the same Bittrex account.

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18 votes

walden (65) · 7 years ago (edited)

The @ned delegation was canceled on october 24th 2017
https://steemd.com/tx/29bd56a79d4f7843a632f4e4ec8178b42fd7ac31
Currently @sweetsssj has delegations of
351265 SP from @hendrikdegrote
301294 SP from @systema and
108270 SP from @temet-nosce
http://www.steemreports.com/delegation-info/?account=sweetsssj

The Real Slim Shady

Source
Source of comment: https://steemd.com/tx/cd26de02723f7d1b7c5f6be0d738718856610741
https://steemit.com/steemit/@walden/sweetsssj-sixth-day-eleventh-hour-selfvoting-via-a-13-account-content-farm

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9 votes

veerall (50) · 7 years ago

SHE IS NOT ONE PERSON, SHE IS A GROUP THAT HAS HIRED HER, AND PAYING HER FOR CLICKS, THE WRITEUP IS NOT HERS. THEY ARE MAKING BUG BUCKS ON HER. SHE IS NOT THE ONLY ONE THOUGH, YOU NEED TO FIND, THERE ARE MANY. FUCKUP IS YOU CANT SCREW WITH TEHM, AS THEY ARE WHALES.

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stevekelly (14) · 7 years ago (edited)

Obviously, I saw a documentary of how social media celebrities in china have whole teams. She is only the poster girl. Perhaps she doesn't even take most
of the money and very unlikely she even writes her own posts.

But she is not the biggest abuser as she stopped posting several days ago. She could be posting everyday but for some reason she stopped so that's weird. On the other hand there are several abusers who are flying under the radar and should be brought forward

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veerall (50) · 7 years ago

i dont wanna name but, have u seen 5-10 post of same member on the trending page? also doesnt show face in any of the post.

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lexiconical (72) · 7 years ago

I bet it starts with an "h".

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veerall (50) · 7 years ago

nope.. not haejin..

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gonzo (68) · 7 years ago (edited)

Thanks for the info, I didn't realize @ned ended the delegation.

Nice meme XD

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brianphobos (70) · 7 years ago

Full disclosure.... I have @sweetsssj on my auto voter and have communicated with her a lot through comments on here but also I think what has been brought up is interesting as well.

In a self governance model that is transparent like this everything will be questioned for sure.

That being said I'm more on @sweetsssj 's side on this matter.

She had the resources to continue to produce content when STEEM was worth $0.07 and took a big risk in doing so. Where was I? I felt like I couldn't risk my time and was so pissed off at the platform because it seemed like something with huge potential that got drove into the ground.

In the end she seems real and like a nice person.

At the end of the day do we know everything that is going on with those accounts and who controls them? Not really. It could be friends, family, or employees.

Almost all the people on this Blockchain are looking to profit in one way or another. She has the resources and connections to make what most of us would consider to be extra ordinary income. I'm not jealous of that...... she is just on a bigger playing field at this given time.

The main thing that I think the argument carries weight is that the upvotes are coming in at the last minute which to me would indicate that she knew they would get called into question and might get flagged....etc But what if she would have just upvoted those up front? Would we have this same conversation.

All that being said I'm keeping my auto voter up for @sweetsssj at this given time but I think that everyone should make their own decision on what they want to do since different information is presented.

And no it isn't because I get her upvotes. I haven't been upvoted by her for a really long time. That is fine though....... I just look like an ADHD basement dwelling freak over on my blog.

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tuck-fheman (74) · 7 years ago

Ned never ate with me. :_(

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lexiconical (72) · 7 years ago

Well reasoned and rational response. I wonder when it will get flagged.

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walden (65) · 7 years ago

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck

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pizzachain (59) · 7 years ago

Tasting gives a more reliable result.

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vgc5000 (60) · 7 years ago

I'm new so I'm still not fully understanding this but looks like you've got some good points. If I do understand what Bernie is saying, she's taking advantage of the system and you are saying, she's using the system optimally. I don't know the knowledge to agree or disagree with anyone yet. But if she's creating content people are reading, that's good. It's what most social media is about. Yes there are plenty of internet "stars" making good money in sponsors etc.

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candy49 (63) · 7 years ago

So could someone contact the others who have delegated steem power to her and ask them to withdraw the delegation?

veerall (50) · 7 years ago

NO BODY WILL DO IT..

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tyrex (54) · 7 years ago

One of the reasons i love @berniesanders is that he always speaks for the growth of steemit and any fraudulent act or misconduct, he takes it so serious and for thes reason alone, i love what you are doing.

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lexiconical (72) · 7 years ago

Lol. Ignorant sycophant.

thatanimesnob (48) · 7 years ago

Even if they lower the time period within which you can vote, the abusers will just lower the timing of the votes as well.

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charitybot (63) · 7 years ago (edited)

What this smells like, if I were a betting bot, is that these individuals are taking a similar stance to @transisto's recent defense of his involvement with the @zer0hedge account saying that cashing out SBD's is a "hedge" against prices falling, as someone who is heavily invested in SP. That in itself is an understandable position for someone to make as an investor.

These people delegating to sweetsssj in this case might be wanting to deflect the public rage onto someone who has already been seen flagrantly abusing delegations and the pool before with such behavior, so her public image can't really take a hit when it's already been destroyed, and they attempt to shield their own accounts from such accusations and save face while cashing out on the side.

Just a hypothesis. They'd probably rather be known as the cool guys who support cool things, not the people who upvote crap at the last minute to make sure their bags paid something out along the way. I can't blame them, just look at the flack sssj is taking right now.

Are the 2nd and 3rd accounts you listed even people? They're delegating out all their power and don't post anything.

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josebermudez (23) · 7 years ago

Thank you for the post , very good

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backpackingmonk (52) · 7 years ago

Always knew there was something shady behind the One Inch Make up Face.

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dahlsom (44) · 7 years ago

What does using @ned do? Do a bunch of botts just upvote those? I read her posts and they're well written ...

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el-nailul (77) · 7 years ago

Wow...how it can be recognized such action in the future? and is there any way to avoid that kind of things, sorry for such stupid question, I am really new beginner in this business @gonzo

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gonzo (68) · 7 years ago

I'm not exactly sure what you're asking, but the best way to avoid it, is to never click on @sweetsssj's posts.

Seriously, there are some things that you just can't unsee!

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otage (70) · 7 years ago

Ha ha!

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ascension (51) · 7 years ago

How did she get ned's delegation in the first place/his upvote power/whatever? Just wondered because I'm not really sure how it works but I'm intrigued as to how she got to such a position

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brandonk (65) · 7 years ago

Well Ned visited her once.... sweetssj must be very sweet if you get my drift.

ascension (51) · 7 years ago

Spicyyyy

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altportal (61) · 7 years ago

you can buy bots to upvote your posts.

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ascension (51) · 7 years ago

I didn't realise you could do it to that degree! Thanks for the insight

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whatsup (75) · 7 years ago

She didn't buy it. She got ned's delegation via ned.

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ascension (51) · 7 years ago

Oh okay! Thanks for the info!

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altportal (61) · 7 years ago

now, that is working the system to its full potential. dang!

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stbrians (54) · 7 years ago

That is clever of @sweetssj

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jonny-clearwater (71) · 7 years ago

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7 votes

frantik (36) · 7 years ago

beautiful picture of a girl I like

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kryzsec (59) · 7 years ago

@berniesanders you should make a bot like randowhale (or make it bid based) where people can buy a flag but also have it so that delegators get a percentage of the profits received from transactions. You could also add a list of users that are blacklisted from being flagged by it (like say your accounts) or something. just an idea!

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14 votes

berniesanders (77) · 7 years ago

I'm considering going that route, I've been hesitant to up to this point but we're almost there.

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16 votes

kryzsec (59) · 7 years ago

I had thought about doing it but I do not have the infrastructure in order to run it and have a constant uptime etc.

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stevekelly (14) · 7 years ago

Please make the Flagging bot so at least new users can pay back whales who are abusing their power. I for one have a few on my list

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veerall (50) · 7 years ago

i dont wanna name but, have u seen 5-10 post of same member on the trending page? also doesnt show face in any of the post. @berniesanders

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silkrusty (8) · 7 years ago

Flagging this reply:
-abuse of your multiple sock puppet Steemit accounts used to upvote yourself
-unmerited rewards that you upvoted to yourself

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lexiconical (72) · 7 years ago

No one would use this bot. It literally burns money.

What profits would there be? Transactions? Do you understand how any of this works?

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branbello (49) · 7 years ago

Profits is a bad term in this case since you will not be making money. Minimizing losses is probably the closest to what he meant.

The transaction that he is referring to is the buying of the flag. It would technically be a service one is buying so transaction is a proper term for it.

He could have worded it better, yes, but for you to act like he doesn't understand how this works falls on your lack of understanding what he was trying to say.

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kryzsec (59) · 7 years ago (edited)

Maybe the people with large amounts of voting power might but there are some of us that do not have the voting power to fight abuse as much as we want and would be willing to use some of our SBD to actually help fight abuse.

My vote, for instance, is worth ~$0.26 (dependent on value of steem and how much is in the reward pool) and so when I see someone comment 13 times on one of my posts and each one gets upvoted to over $1 (and they are absolute spam shitposting) and I can't do anything to fight it, yeah I would pay to have that sh!t flagged.

As for transactions, a transaction doesn't cost money but buying a flag for someone elses post would definitely earn money, you know how many people I have heard talk about something like this? Asking if such a thing existed? Like I think your ~$40,000 USD account and rep of 70 has you sitting up on a high horse not realizing what its like for the little guys.

Profits recieved from transactions is if I send 1 SBD to the bot then it has a debit of 1 SBD ergo profit, say 100 people buy a flag with an average of 4 SBD a flag (400 SBD) then maybe the delegators would get say 50% of that split between them and the bot keeps the other 50% (just how randowhale and most other vote bots split it)

It is, by definition, profits. So I do not know what you are implying but I think you have a lack of understanding on how steem works.

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hiroyamagishi (68) · 7 years ago (edited)

It's very intriguing. After reading some of the comments, as well as this post regarding Steemit Wallet privacy, I don't know yet what to think. All of these issues won't even arise if we couldn't see where Steemians are transferring their money. I have friends I know who shared a Bittrex account since one of them wasn't acquainted with it and was afraid to lose his money. You know, exchanges became slow and glitchy at some point when many new users signed up. Another issue is having a fictitious name like h0x3xb33 and a picture of a b33? Then having a bulging steemit wallet? Exchanges already implement KYC. I think Steemit will also benefit from KYC (though we're not required since Steem is not a security but more of a utility) or Know Your Member policy since we deal with cryptos too.

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veerall (50) · 7 years ago (edited)

i dont wanna name but, have u seen 5-10 post of same member on the trending page? also doesnt show face in any of the post. nor replies

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darsico (70) · 7 years ago (edited)

because it's money left at the table. A good business person will pick up every penny they can.

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https://steemit.com/@trendylife

steeminator3000 (74) · 7 years ago

https://steemit.com/@honeybee

https://www.mspsteem.com/@michaelleeld

https://steemit.com/@helgachen

Fun to be SweetSJJsJSJSJj

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dhn0411 (7) · 7 years ago

Just please don’t tell me sweeetssj is a man. My feels....

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https://www.reddit.com/r/China/comments/769gsg/up_to_90_of_chinese_exchange_students_have_hired/

charitybot (63) · 7 years ago

It could very well be a male editor writing all of the stories for her.

Here's an interesting thread on a similar subject.

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veerall (50) · 7 years ago

its a group of people, not a single person.. she just gets some money.

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doelist (51) · 7 years ago

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transisto (74) · 7 years ago

Irrelevant what she's into.

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doelist (51) · 7 years ago

Why? I show that she loves models. It's really correlate with man joke

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ionutciobanu (61) · 7 years ago

Bernie follows you one month and I saw you found 3 or 4 members who abuse the upvote system of all, just because they have in their turn power than vote what result in the top of the page: sweersssj haejin.We have found one worse than the two above (msteemian)which puts the items copied 100 %, then invests 300-400 sbd them at the top of the page.I am little to do something but I think you know what needs to be made.Thank you so much, a good day IonutCiobanu

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charitybot (63) · 7 years ago

Yeah they just posted today and upvoted that sucker huge. Big gamble. That is a little different, they didn't vote at the last second.

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underground (67) · 7 years ago

Here's the official list of Deli's for the @sweetsssj account, via screenshot:
delegators to sweetsssj.png
I left the url on it so you can verify, heck here's a clickable link ;)

@sweetsssj delegators

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paasz (54) · 7 years ago

Its strange how some people ignore the logic just because they believe what they like to believe and ignore the truth

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5 votes

bluewinter (57) · 7 years ago

NO rappers pls!

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cortexx (57) · 7 years ago

STEEMIT VIRTUAL GOVERNANCE TAX PROPOSAL

IF A USERS HAS AN EQUITY VALUE OF 50K ABOVE, MUST BE TAXED BASE ON THE VOLATILITY PRICE OF STEEM TOKEN.
IF A USERS HAS AN EQUITY VALUE OF 50K BELOW, MUST BE EXEMPTED FROM TAX.

BENEFITS:

ACCELERATION OF PLATFORM DEVELOPMENT.
HELPS USERS AND COMMUNITY GROW.
ATTRACTS MORE INDIVIDUALS TO USE THE PLATFORM, THEREFORE ATTRACTS BUSINESSES AND CELEBRITIES.

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tolkatore (55) · 7 years ago

Isn't that the Asian chick who used to make like a $1,000 a day on here?

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cryptosharon (69) · 7 years ago (edited)

She's making more than that. Ten $255 votes a day, $2550 in rewards, 37.5% SBD after curation is 956,25 SBD a day + the little accounts' SP gains that can be used to vote on themselves or other posts. That's more than 5k USD a day for sure, more than 150k USD a month, more than 1.8m USD a year if Steem prices stay stable.

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tolkatore (55) · 7 years ago

Holy shit, that's a lot of bread... is it all justified?

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cryptosharon (69) · 7 years ago (edited)

In a community-regulated anarchy such as Steemit, everything is justified regardless of morals. The only thing left is the question "Do we want to accept this or do we, as a community, want to not let it pass and put counter-measures?"

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8 votes

tolkatore (55) · 7 years ago

This is supposed to be a free and unregulated community, so I say just let the people decide via their flags and votes.

cryptosharon (69) · 7 years ago (edited)

Exactly, that's the way the community has to regulate its environment. Maybe new ways will be introduced later, but for now, it's all we have to fight against those who break the rules we set.

mryuss (44) · 7 years ago

how about us, minnows, beginners how can we fight back? and the safe way is to stay away from it or just ignore right?,, but it isnt right any abuse should be stop and all we can do (weaklings) is what?

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underground (67) · 7 years ago

In a community regulated anarchy such as Steemit we already HAVE the controls... ;)

thatanimesnob (48) · 7 years ago

it's allowed but that does not make it legal or fair

tolkatore (55) · 7 years ago

I don't know, if she has the Steem power, she should be able to do what she wants with it, or else the Steemit witnesses will need to remove self-voting.

teenovision (52) · 7 years ago

we should simply ignore it

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sorin.cristescu (71) · 7 years ago

@berniesanders, where can I find an explanation of why this behaviour equates "raping the reward pool" - upvoting posts with large rewards at the last moment to try to avoid flags while raping the reward pool ... I can't wrap my head around how this works ... any link to read an explanation ?

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berniesanders (77) · 7 years ago

There's not much to understand, she is voting at the last minute to try to hide the large amounts she is rewarding to (likely) her own sill accounts.

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sorin.cristescu (71) · 7 years ago

Then maybe having some kind of sufficient KYC to prevent shill accounts would help here ?

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sorin.cristescu (71) · 7 years ago

Ok, so the key here is that it's someone who controls several accounts, right ? Have you by any chance seen my question about steem delegating large chunks of SP (10000SP+) to people seemingly at random ? Could you please do a "Sunday class" on how is this ?

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thatanimesnob (48) · 7 years ago

Crypto are finite, unlike FIAT. There is a cap to the rewards that can be shared amongst all posts. The reward someone gets from his posts lowers when the SBD value drops or abusers do these tricks to get a bigger piece of the pie.

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lexiconical (72) · 7 years ago

I think you've mistaken this for a classroom.

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charitybot (63) · 7 years ago

I don't know, in this case it looks like she's a shield for 700k delegated from others who want to cash out but have neutral to positive public images from their involvements with other projects.

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jorgebgt (72) · 7 years ago

Is there any way to counteract their actions, and how can an army defend bad practices? Thanks...

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thatanimesnob (48) · 7 years ago

There is no way so far, since Steemit is not supposed to be regulated. It's like the wild west where the cunning and the bold get on top of things.

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silkrusty (8) · 7 years ago

Flagging your reply for
-abuse of your multiple sock puppet Steemit accounts used to upvote yourself and unmerited payout.

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nmkeur (25) · 7 years ago

Yeah i am wondering about this aswell! How can someone influence the reward pool.
Can someone explain this? Also i got a "User not found" account deleted?

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thatanimesnob (48) · 7 years ago

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nmkeur (25) · 7 years ago

Thank you for clearing that up!

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steemmarketing (54) · 7 years ago

i just recently joined steem, although I have been following the site since it’s inception. I have watched sweetsssj from the start and she inspired myself and numerous others to join the steem community.

Her along with other hard working steemers, inspired the creation of steem marketing which is a group of marketing professionals working hard to promoting steem and helping new steem members grow. How many people here can honestly say they are working to help steem grow not just earn for themselves?

This is an individual who dedicated herself and her time to this community. As another said previous she has been doing this since steem was pennies. The quality of her posts and her amazing dedication to community engagement has not fluctuated since day one.

It’s thanks to members like her that steem is where it is at today.

She has been nothing but kind and gracious in helping others, which more than most leaving comments here today can say.

It’s this simple…. THE RULES ARE THE RULES… YOU HAVE A WINDOW of TIME TO VOTE IN! i don’t care if it’s the first minute or that last that is what the window is for.

I am very disappointed by this post and some of these childish comments. It’s actions like this that will tear this community apart and bring it to it’s demise. I really don’t want to see that happen.

Lastly I am assuming all the flagged comments are people like me with good things to say which is weak! You made your point let others do the same. Both sides should be heard here!

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doomsdaychassis (63) · 7 years ago

Holy shit. $805 SP in curation awards last week. WOW

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ackza (72) · 7 years ago

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berniesanders (77) · 7 years ago

Another ignorant sheep...

Go back to school for a real education ya moron. Nobody is going to read bullshit ramblings with 0 punctuation and grammar of a 10 year old.

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brainnipper (50) · 7 years ago (edited)

Dear @berniesanders, I want to ask you a question: Isn't it all a problem of how the whole system is build? I deeply respect the idea of freedom behind the blockchain and Steemit. But who can decide where the boundaries are? In some way the community takes care for itself. But it creates a lot of discussing, where noone seems to be right. They call you a communist. So trying to fight for social behaviour to some around here is the same as being a communist. When you criticize some peoples behaviour, they answer with "The system doesn't say, it's illegate to do so". Though many of us carry along a feeling of immorality regarding this behaviour. Shouldn't the system itself provide more boundaries, so people can't come up with telling us: "it is possible to do so, so I do it and there is nothing wrong about it"? Why is abusing the community possible, when it's all about being a great community? When I got something wrong, please don't flag me. Please answer my questions instead so I can learn.

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thatanimesnob (48) · 7 years ago

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brainnipper (50) · 7 years ago (edited)

I know. My question of how this is possible was meant rethorical. By the way: how often did you make this comment???

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lexiconical (72) · 7 years ago

"They call you a communist. "

Because he is one by definition. If you use a term like "XXXX is making too much", you are pretty much a communist.

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brainnipper (50) · 7 years ago (edited)

A communist to me is someone who wants a society by dictatorship, where everyone earns the same money. This is far away for me from criticizing when some earn much more than others because of an acting that is blind for the community and the relations in it. There are shades in between capitalism and communism.

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cryptothoughts (61) · 7 years ago

I'm new here, but have been following crypto since 2013, to say @ackza is ignorant is a little harsh @ackza is correct in saying that @sweetsssj could have powered down at any time to invest in something else. In fact you only really want to hold shitcoins like steem when we are in a shitcoin season, or you will definitely lose money. So i don't really know what the deal is with @sweetsssj but by just holding steem over time means she has definitely contributed to it's success.

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whatsup (75) · 7 years ago (edited)

The account doesn't really hold much Steem. Most of her voting power comes from other accounts delegating to her.

She is sending the rewards from her delegated steem power to her friends and family, according to her. They according to the blockchain are mostly cashing it out.

The question at hand is "Is that good for SteemIt, or not. If it is bad, what is the solution?

silkrusty (8) · 7 years ago

Flagging you on this comment for
-abuse of your multiple sock puppet Steemit accounts used to upvote yourself
-abuse of your multiple sock puppet Steemit accounts to abusively downvote other Steemers.
-unmerited rewards
-hate speech and trolling

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whiteliquor (51) · 7 years ago

@sweetsssj's SP is possibly the responsibility of dudes/dudettes, maybe whales, having a thing for Asian women (not that there is anything wrong with that).

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akandadelwar (56) · 7 years ago

I don't know what are they doing. @sweetsssj and @ned is our sinior and Newbies have much to learn from them. If they abuse what will learn newbies?

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brandonk (65) · 7 years ago

Fuck that bitch.. nobody cares about her trash life anyway

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stevekelly (14) · 7 years ago

wow that escalated quickly

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jeevesix (55) · 7 years ago

I’d upvote if she posted nudes tho..

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meno (73) · 7 years ago (edited)

I would never argue this behavior is either beneficial to Steem, because its not, or that its ethical, because common sense seems to point otherwise.

That being said I don't know how this can be fixed, at least in a permanent more sustainable way with the way Steem works right now.

It almost seems unfair to expect a Steemian whale to use all of his/hers voting Power to combat Self Voting Abuse, because as anybody who cares to understand how the system works, there are no curation rewards for flags. Yet... in order for it to be sustainable for a Whale to combat abuse, said whale has to self vote or he/she would be doing it 100% for free. We might attempt to make an argument for moral/ethical high ground displays, but then again its also too easy for anyone who is not leaving money on the table to have "altruistic/utopian" suggestions.

To me, it makes sense the code changes once again. It may sound like a pain in the neck to think about more hard-forks to Steem, but I see no other way to this fiasco. A separate pool for flagging is the only solution I see to the problem... That way, a whale with good intentions can continue to curate good content, while also providing a lets say "cleaning" services to Steem's blockchain.

Can this lead to power abuse? Maybe, but I'm inclined to think it would level out eventually, as we have more than a few ethical people with big SP holding on the platform as well, who care what happens to Steem, but simply can't say they are going to become the Steemian Mother Theresa until the unethical behavior subsides to acceptable levels.

If there is anything we as a community should be pushing, at least in my opinion is that, a second VP for flags and maybe the implementation of Vote Negation as well.

Is there a better solution? Please somebody share, I'm willing to learn.

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introvertspeaks (51) · 7 years ago

A separate pool for flagging is the only solution I see to the problem

I second this! In fact I talked about this possibility in the previous shit shows involving @haejin. My take is to do it in a democratic way such as community voting through a some form of electoral college system to give every community sector/tag an equal voice.

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lexiconical (72) · 7 years ago

"It almost seems unfair to expect a Steemian whale to use all of his/hers voting Power to combat Self Voting "

Doing so is just a reverse form of communism, where only the "rich" have to pay the price for the proletariat.

"A separate pool for flagging is the only solution I see to the problem..."

I've noticed this hasn't been very popular the several times I suggested it. It literally got me flagged by the supposed anti-abusers.

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meno (73) · 7 years ago

I had no idea you caught a flag for making sense yet again. You know, truth be told, its hard to come up with a perfect solution to these problems, to me the solution is any has to be coded.

Like you've said plenty of times code is law, if its not in the code, then there is little we can do about things we disagree with, that might be a hard pill to swallow, but it seems to be an observation more than an opinion.

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leprechaun (56) · 7 years ago

There is no solution without verified identity and equal steem power for all. Then you lose decentralization for that. You csn always make another account and vote yourself that way.

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introvertspeaks (51) · 7 years ago

There is no solution without verified identity

Sounds like you undermine the very essence of cryptocurrency.

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leprechaun (56) · 7 years ago

I am resigned to the idea with potentially annonymous members can always have a member that acts as if this member is any number of members. I take exception to you saying I undermine the " essence of cryptocurrency" though

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introvertspeaks (51) · 7 years ago

The problem here is actually the code itself--it has to be modified for real--otherwise all these systemic abuses would still continue to exist even if there will be an identity verification in place.

equal steem power for all.

This will only bring down the price of STEEM as there will no longer be any incentive for investors to hold large amount of Steem Power.

How about put some limitations to their power instead?

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leprechaun (56) · 7 years ago

So sign up 100 times? Oh yeah with identity that would prevent that. A Steem limit and identity.

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introvertspeaks (51) · 7 years ago

So sign up 100 times?

That shit happens everywhere and all the time even in centralized platforms. I used to have 3 Facebook personal accounts but now deleted the other two.

You can create as many Facebook Pages and Community Groups you want! Currently have 2 for my own and other two for client!

Used to have more than 5 email addresses but now retain at least 4.

Again, identity verification is not the solution and is not the ideal approach in a world wherever privacy is at the heart of it.

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afrasyabmaier (53) · 7 years ago

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wwamd (53) · 7 years ago

I think the community needs to stop upvoting people who create such useless content. I’m sure some people like it but it’s totally ridiculous the amount of money my blog will make compared to others who literally are just using Steemit, and it’s users and algo to make bank for Instagram2.0. Don’t want/need it. Let’s break the mold not endorse its casting.

yassine04 (54) · 7 years ago

agree with you

moemanmoesly (67) · 7 years ago

I have to agree with you for once, maybe these bots are not so great a bit of a double edge blade some might say...

berniesanders (77) · 7 years ago

This has nothing to do with bots, this is just trying to hide last minute reward pool rape.

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13 votes

moemanmoesly (67) · 7 years ago

It looks like there is something inherently wrong with these vote bidding bots maybe you should look at them as the problem...

detlef-s (68) · 7 years ago

Pleas check this spamer @infa too!

bob-elr (56) · 7 years ago

All i'm hoping for is sanity on this platform. Everyone 's got a good heart in one way or the other. I don't know @berniesanders in anywhere. I only got to hear about him in my different groups i belong to. Everyone is afraid of him there. But i have watched him closely and read between line of words, and i think he's a good, young-at-heart man and not what people see on his dp.

He believes in normacy and try as much as possible to influence a change. I won't take him for otherwise.

Neither would i condemn @son-of-satire also or others. But all i'm clamouring for is "We need sanity",Peace and an ounce of love would do.

I have been on steemit for several months and haven't earn a whooping sum that will motivate me but with the influence of my group members i keep moving. Same way a lot of my friends are still minnow despite that they write good posts.

We need strength, and you whales are our strength, and should be even though we don't have such gigantic SP as y'all do. We want to be confident to come to your blog.

Live and let live, The world expect the best from y'all.

Help us to grow.

We love you all.

On behalf of my team and I.

rose98734 (64) · 7 years ago

Does she get lots of ordinary votes as well? I sometimes think noobs vote for the "big names" because they imagine they are going to get a vote back in return. Hopefully posts like this open their eyes.

justsomekid (63) · 7 years ago (edited)

I mean it is her right to upvote whoever and whenever she likes.

enolife (56) · 7 years ago (edited)

I knew somebody was gonna come out with this revelation someday.

I've been monitoring and following this up using different steemit tools since way back and it's always worrisome when I see it and think about it.

Hopefully, something will be done about this.
But then if nothing is done, I'll just take it like one of those things we see in the world.

I'm talking about - The more you look, the less you see

And oh! @turbot has been reporting this abuses everytime.

emrebeyler (74) · 7 years ago (edited)

turbot will stop reporting it, official account is abusereports.

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gvincentjosephm (59) · 7 years ago

While I believe abuse should not be tolerated, I think she still have many awesome posts here in steemit. I'm not sure about that for you but for me, if it's a good post, then it deserves the votes whether it was voted the last minute.

ronel (61) · 7 years ago

I suggest a 'Hard Fork' [As it relates to blockchain technology, a hard fork (or sometimes hardfork) is a radical change to the protocol that makes previously invalid blocks/transactions valid (or vice-versa), and as such requires all nodes or users to upgrade to the latest version of the protocol software.] I don't know if this will happen in the future. I guess it will not or maybe it will happen. It may not happen maybe because whales are already becoming more and more larger and many are already getting a lot of rewards. People behind this steem blockchain are already getting a lot of rewards, the witnesses, the bots, the investors. Check the whales here https://steemwhales.com/. All of us are getting rewards based on our (1) efforts (studying, learning, posting, curating, commenting, making connections etc.) (2) strategies (good or bad or abuse strategies which the system allows it) and (3) investments (rewards through delegation, just having huge steem, power up, delegate and receive rewards daily with X- ROI).

Lastly, I guess we need to love each other!

introvertspeaks (51) · 7 years ago (edited)

@berniesanders bro, where do we can find a link explaining where and how the reward fund is created and what is the maximum amount there is?

I just couldn't find a detailed information about this. Thanx!

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berniesanders (77) · 7 years ago

Honestly, I doubt there's any documentation with such information because @ned and team are too busy wanking off to keep it updated.

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try3 (45) · 7 years ago

@berniesanders, I think your observation is really helpful to the community. But what is it is knocking the people who are trying to build it up, and who are overall doing a really good. Seems to me you need to be dealing with your anger issues on a personal and less public level. Otherwise great work.

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berniesanders (77) · 7 years ago

I don't think you've been here long enough to know what you're talking about.

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walden (65) · 7 years ago

The reward fund is 707k STEEM or 3million dollars every week at this time

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introvertspeaks (51) · 7 years ago

How did you come to arrive at these figures bro? Would be glad if you can share the source of your data. Thanx!

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santana33 (64) · 7 years ago

http://steem.supply that's the link to see that information, and also to check on upcoming rewards for every user.

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introvertspeaks (51) · 7 years ago

Holy moly! That was a kickass tool. It's almost like the incomplete version of Google Analytics.

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moeknows (60) · 7 years ago

IKR. Try the blue paper, I think I got a snippet of info from there. I never found anything comprehensive.

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introvertspeaks (51) · 7 years ago

Thanx for the hint! I have never actually tried reading any of those Steem colored paper to be honest. Will give it a shot!

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moeknows (60) · 7 years ago

It's all pretty vague. It's disappointing. I think it was basically set aside while mining or something like that.

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thatanimesnob (48) · 7 years ago

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introvertspeaks (51) · 7 years ago

I was about to respond to you wholeheartedly, then I noticed something. You copy-pasted your comment my friend. So, in a sense you are right! Crypto are finite, unlike your inflationary comment.

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nyinyiwin (61) · 7 years ago

How to do ?

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thatanimesnob (48) · 7 years ago

I have reported her twice to @steemcleaners and she kept going like it was another day as always. That's what happens when rewards can't be canceled instead of lowered.

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stevekelly (14) · 7 years ago

steemcleaners are biased and will never do anything against whales, they clean droplets of water while the floor is full of shit

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saqibmirza (12) · 7 years ago

@berniesanders you are doing a great job to find the scammers best of luck.and keep your work up.

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cruzmargarita (51) · 7 years ago

Tanta dedicación por redactar un buen post y de hacer buenas fotografías para no ser tomado en cuenta decepciona mucho y más cuando se ven estas situaciones de que hay post bastante insignificantes.

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cruzmargarita (51) · 7 years ago

No creo sea estafa.se que ayuda a muchas personas, solo que a veces no es justo con las votaciones.

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stevekelly (14) · 7 years ago

Steemit es una estafa, los unicos que hacen plata son los que se metieron al principio. No pierdas tu tiempo aca si estas buscando hacer dinero. Consejo de amigo

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santana33 (64) · 7 years ago

Hermano estas aca hace un mes y dices algo asi? Yo he metido dinero, esfuerzo y dedicacion y me ha ido bastante bien. No desanimes a otros por tu experiencia personal. Mi recomendacion, no te metas en discuciones ni hagas posts acusando a otros hasta que no tengas suficiente reputacion para defenderte.
Saludos,

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stevekelly (14) · 7 years ago

No, you estoy aca hace 2 semanas. Y eso fue tiempo suficiente para descubrir el chancherio que esta plataforma. Ella si puede hacer algo de dinero, centavos.

La unica forma de ganar es ser un tramposo cochino, estafar a la gente haciendoles creer que van a ganar plata. Mentira. Aca solo ganan los que se metieron antes. Como ella va a competir con gente que se metio anios atras y se hicieron cientos de cuentas falsas llenas de voting bots. Si tu haces dinero no es por tu contenido porque aca se hace plata con los bots. El contenido no importa.

Segundo reputacion no vale nada o sino ve berniesanders -17 no afecta en nada, claro que uno debe estar dispuesto a meter arriba de 20 mil dolares para ver algo de retornos y tener cientos de bots. Si a ti te va muy bien que bueno por ti. Pero al menos se honesto y dinos cuantos bots tienes y cuanta plata has metido. Sino solo estas jugando con las expectativas de personas que no tienen idea lo que realmente es esta plataforma

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minnowboosted (0) · 7 years ago

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mrkstn1 (51) · 7 years ago

Get 'em Bernie

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vulturestkn (41) · 7 years ago

Is there's too many e's in your @ ?

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camilus (50) · 7 years ago

This is some serious allegation. Hmmm

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islamkha (33) · 7 years ago

Please stop raping the reward pool!!!

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elladean (40) · 7 years ago

Wow... are you sure about this?

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sezenke (54) · 7 years ago

god news, bad news?

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jesse2you (54) · 7 years ago

THE BID BOTTS ARE THE PROBLEM!!!!
Join steemit, do everything right and make pennys... use a bott and get flagged,while whales circle jerk and make $800 post criticizing people !
yeah this ought to make the platform popular,retain users!
I see people getting flagged by cheetabot for quoting there own post ,material from other blogs,while I make $2 on a meme and some one else steals and post's it and makes $30.... no flag or recourse ...
lol
haters going to hate ,and people are going to try and make profits,the politics of $$ and those who have it trying to limit those who don't!!!!
DO YOU REALLY THINK THIS IS AN $800 post!!! ????
get real!
I call BULLSHIT!!!

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leprechaun (56) · 7 years ago

Oh well. I don't like the terminology. "Rape" "circle jerk" a bunch of sex obsessed people naming things here. You can flqg it if you feel it is unduly rewarded.

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jesse2you (54) · 7 years ago

lol... yeah me and my 7-15 cent flag... and get flagged to neg rep for my honest opinion....no thank you! sorry I didn't come up w/ the terms ,just using the popular vernaculars... I don't like bid botts but people use them to " your term here" the reward pool! even this complaint post used a bott. do you think this is an $800 post?

stevekelly (14) · 7 years ago

Whales abuse their power and will flag anyone who is becoming too popular too fast for their own insecurity. I joined to weeks ago and made in average 400 followers per week and a whale i found abusing the reward system flag all my posts just because I call him on it and also I called him a bitch but hey this place is being sold to outsiders as a "decentralized" social media with no censorship. Bullshit, steemit may be the worst pyramidal scheme ever. It is built in the way you have to pay to win. That's why I can see this site demise in the horizon

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theaustrianguy (72) · 7 years ago

I flagged you because spammed the introduction section with your annoying self-promotion - And after I asked you peacefully to stop, you just reacted like a mad man...

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stevekelly (14) · 7 years ago (edited)

What right do you have to call me on something like that when the real problem of steemit is people who rape the reward pool like you do. No one is Saint and I think you are abusing the reward pool left and right. You have been under the radar because you write mostly in german but a quick look at your wallet and your several accounts will raise serious suspicions about your activity. You know that you upvote all your comments on one of your spam accounts I have already identified @welcoming and you know that behavior is not appreaciated in this community

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theaustrianguy (72) · 7 years ago (edited)

If you would sharpen your detective skills a little bit, you would see two things:

overall, most of my posts are in English
@welcoming is only upvoting the comments with a small portion of voting power and only with the reason to pay for a delegation in order to be able to upvote new users bigger.

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stevekelly (14) · 7 years ago (edited)

Yes sure, you are as good as an angel. You are doing that crap to milk the system not to welcome users. Anyway, you seem very invested in this, so you better be careful. I'm not the person with more experience in dealing with reward rapists but I'm bringing attention to you and someone with more experience will uncover your abuse of the rewards pool.

I'm just bringing you forward so the community can uncover your wrongdoings. Now people will pay more attention to everything you do and it wont be so easy for you to keep upvoting yourself and getting away with it. Also, the frequency of your posts is very suspicious

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flugschwein (60) · 7 years ago

steemit may be the worst pyramidal scheme ever

why don't you leave steemit then? You looked through it and there is no reason for staying right?

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cristitaylor (46) · 7 years ago

Are you sure about this
Your reputation score! why its to much low means in negative ??? but you are still doing good

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stevekelly (14) · 7 years ago

reputation means nothing if you can buy hundred thousands of dollars in steem power

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jayboss (45) · 7 years ago

wow if this is accurate its so shocking....
and i liked her! just hope it ain't......
fingers crossed!...

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hamzaashraf (14) · 7 years ago

Thanks @berniesanders for the information

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eos-casper (41) · 7 years ago

Finally, you are giving other interesting things to the public. I have been waiting for this news. it's just that I do not dare to express it, because I am afraid of my strength. Only you will unload all their tricks in steemit. I support you.

"Beggars just beg for beggars."

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alialshakhi (36) · 7 years ago

good

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muh543 (50) · 7 years ago

Wow lets hope if he can upvote me at last minute

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keepinitreal (49) · 7 years ago

Seriously @berniesanders , thanks for trying to stop the abuse on Steemit. Really awesome of you!

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emmgeeahmad (40) · 7 years ago

Why votung at the last moment? Any special reason

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missdaria (50) · 7 years ago

to avoid attention and possible downvotes

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nicholas83 (56) · 7 years ago (edited)

It is obvious that I don't know much about how steemit works, but this is my two cents about @sweetsjjj. I am still a minnow and she is the only whale who has ever given me a full upvote. And she has given me other upvotes that have been of so much help. I have never had a $200+ post before. I have also seen where @sweetsjjj has upvoted other minnows too. She also takes time out to engage with her followers and she responds to more posts than any whale I have seen on this platform.

Again, she engaged me when my reputation was in the 30s. I can vouch for the fact that she engages with her followers because not only is it obvious based on her responses, but she could have told me what I wrote about her previous posts. Now, @berniesanders, I agree with some of what you stand for, and in those instances, I stood behind you. In the case of @sweetsjjj, I will definitely have to look into it myself.

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veerall (50) · 7 years ago

I was not at all surprise, infact iv been saying this since long.. Its very easy for a group to pay someone to pose like that or to pay a programmer to make something for steemit and make big bucks, while raping reward pool.. Many are doing this, even some whales.. Many dont even show their faces, and 5-10 posts of their are on the trending page...

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levitated-mind (50) · 7 years ago

I still can't believe this.. I'm perplexed
I have so much respect for @ned.

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rasamuel (63) · 7 years ago

@ned is not a reward pool rapist. You might question his delegation choices, but how often does he upvote himself apart from the aggrandizement bs!?

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zulmasry (37) · 7 years ago

jangan berhenti berbagi

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kryptonaut (57) · 7 years ago

Bernie - thank you for being the Steemit sheriff and exposing these abusers. Even if the platform allows such behavior, it doesn't mean it should be done. At the same time, I feel that the system is flawed and this behavior should be expected.

The major problem is these whales should be helping minnows out here and there while lining their own pockets. I just don't get it. Building Steemit up will only increase the value of their holdings. It's obvious they feel that at the current price the abusers don't care.

They should be shamed and exposed. Well done and thank you again. Upvoted and resteemed.

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debater (35) · 7 years ago

You only mentioned one or maybe some or I guess many abusers here. Or no one here is not an abuser of the reward pool. Little abuse, small abuse, medium abuse, big abuse, huge abuse. We are all abusers, we are all suckers. This is a game. If this is your strategy to abuse the reward pool then go on. Each and everyone of has a game play to earn on steemit.

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stevekelly (14) · 7 years ago

so what you saying is that steemit is a bitch and everyone should abuse her?

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rikineng (37) · 7 years ago

follow me @rikineng

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edibersah (52) · 7 years ago

Just please don’t tell me sweeetssj is a man. My feels....

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russel59 (36) · 7 years ago

I followed them.. Thanks for the post..

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aboeluosr (50) · 7 years ago

Everyone was wondering about this account, sweeetsssj which carries a lot of food and secrets, and I really was very surprised to read this post and knew everything
It seems to have many accounts thanks for clarification

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nazaruddin1 (53) · 7 years ago

It's ok...

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srefat (25) · 7 years ago

I agree with this.

You could also just create a completely anon account

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mitakaya (38) · 7 years ago

yes this is a cool notification and we are all amazed with your post, so your post becomes a trending topic post now, you are great.@berniesaders

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dexpin (37) · 7 years ago

I have read a few posts about @sweetsssj, it sounds like she has tons of accounts and uses @ned's delegation to upvote each, then sends all the rewards to the same Bittrex account.

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dromzz (57) · 7 years ago

I'm glad you finally called her out. I have seen posts about her already

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izge (51) · 7 years ago

Well ain't sweetjss such a lucky steemer? Wonders shall never end.

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vindy (57) · 7 years ago

Pori velatu nepu ente. Ille deno suka tenke

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seifanlj (54) · 7 years ago

yup, she's well played.

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siksabatin (35) · 7 years ago

Are you sure
Please upvote my post

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rival (67) · 7 years ago

I am happy you find out. unbelievable that she is doing that.. I started steemit and saw her posts and that was amazing.. now i feel a bit like ... WHY

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louismata (45) · 7 years ago

wow

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kyhozsa (37) · 7 years ago

Thanks @berniesanders

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bitcoinflood (77) · 7 years ago

She is making off with sooooo much freakin money every week its just sickening. I hear she has more then one account as well which might go to show why she stopped using sweetsssj one for posting and instead started upvoting another account. How are we going to stop such actions by massive whales ?

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ronel (61) · 7 years ago

Hard fork I guess.

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bitcoinflood (77) · 7 years ago

I am sure she is not the only one however. And I am not one for hard forking stuff it should be corrected in one of the updates but this is the flaw of these types of systems. Where this is money there will always be shortcuts and abuse its human nature.

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ronel (61) · 7 years ago

I guess in some instance one has the tendency to be tempted to abuse in some way, seeing the system is obviously tolerable in getting rewards the easy way. People behind steem blockchain, the developers, the investors, the witnesses, the bots, they're all have the huge reward pool shareholders. There's no way they would change the system that provides them profits anyways.

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steem247 (48) · 7 years ago

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thecrytotrader (69) · 7 years ago

Criticizing others is a really easy job friends,

I know many of you thinking that @sweetsssj is using her steempower for earnings money by creating fake accounts but that's not the truth because i know all of them are real persons and they are continuously doing hardwork to create more quality content on Steemit for an example you can see @amylee post she is a very good writer and promoting Steemit in china.

And how can you say that she is taking people's money in return of their upvotes because she never asked from anyone to send her their money for getting her upvote,and people send their money by their will because they thinks that if they send her something as a memo then she might see their hard work and Support them and this is exactly what is she doing,

And many of you knew that how much she promoting Steemit in many countries and she always cher up people and helps them in their bad time,

So please stop this nonsense because many people who are commenting here are those who got failed to get her attention and upvotes and that's why they got frustrated and doing these bad Comments here.

So first know about a person before commenting anything about them.

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whatsup (75) · 7 years ago

I don't pretend to know if these accounts are attached to real people or not. It seems like some of them have created decent content. Too bad she didn't just upvote the material in a more straight-forward way which allowed them to get visibility and additional support. Seems odd if it is her friends and family, she didn't want to give them any visibility.

That might have been good for Steemit's content and reputation. Instead, it was upvoted in a manner that allowed little visibility for these "real people" and the rewards funneled out of Steemit, while providing very little value to investors.

Sadly now it is just another thing that looks bad for Steem and the founders. Regardless of the who and the why...

recurzive (29) · 7 years ago

Why is your account reputation -17 on my screen ? And when i go to your account and in your wallet the page refreshes and i see 25 rep. Anyone any clue ?
Also why are there lots of posts like this one out there cant you guys like unite and change things. I am new here but to me it looks like guys on top are idiots can you like reason with them to change things and put bad people aside or at least stop them to some extent. I am still learning this platform but to me it looks like wild west of advertising. I got so many laughs when i see post comparing this platform with facebook or other platforms. If they arent the people you can reason with wouldnt the solution for this be to make a whale or big voting body that would just go and downwote those kind's of people. I kinda hate to write but when i see moronic posts like this i feel compelled, i am not saying that post is moronic but the fact that people need to talk about this kind of stuff that shouldn't exist in a first place.

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waygreenergrass (39) · 7 years ago

Bernie Sanders is an account that is the head of a whale group that does, in fact, go around and downvote posts. He's the vigilante that naturally arises in every system that has poor rules to prevent bad actors from abusing the system. Unfortunately, vigilantes are themselves not a good system, either, and will result in more vigilantes to oppose them, hence his negative reputation.

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recurzive (29) · 7 years ago (edited)

Hm i think i am onto something... I am new on Steemit so i dont really know how lots of things work. I did mention this to that transistor guy or whatever hes name is that people should create downvote bots and fight exploits of upvoting for profit and not for good content, but i didnt know thing like that already exists. Maybe you guys should suggest something to guys that deal with this, i mean how whole system works. That they add people count into equation not just steem power. That way if alot of people are against something or give steem delegation to some whale like this than even if other side has more steem power or whatever factor decides things their count wouldnt have same value as lots of people. Something like democracy with platform interest first since thats good for everyone here even the bad guys :D
Also i think page views should count aswell not only votes.

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waygreenergrass (39) · 7 years ago (edited)

I think the problem with that is that it will mean a lot of people make armies of bots that upvote things to steal the reward pool, but without investing a single penny into the platform.

I also like the idea, but unless there is an identification verification to prevent fake accounts and stolen identities, then it would result in even more bad actors gaming the system.

Page views aren't good, because then that gives an incentive to make really good click bait, with nothing of substance in the article.

At the end of the day, any system that tries to reward users with decentralization is going to run up against creative problem solvers finding loopholes and games to get around the intention of the system.

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recurzive (29) · 7 years ago (edited)

Of course they should get verified, its common on all platforms. Bots should be also registered and there should be even captcha to verify users from time to time. If they are serious about making this platform about quality content and social interactions they will need to have lots of rules and regulations like youtube, reddit and other platforms. They should just focus on making less censorship and letting people speak their minds, everything has more sides to it usually and absolute truth kinda doesnt exist. Also content should be moderated to some extent, someone can upload porn not tag it nsfw and what happens then. They need like a round table when all people with platforms best interests in mind sit and discuss things and make plans for changes etc. They can add demonetize like on youtube but with clear rules. Lol this reminds me of that rick and morty episode of a purge when they start over and end up in the same place.

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stevekelly (14) · 7 years ago (edited)

Users should only have one account and bots be banned. Obviously that's not going to happen as all whales without exception have several accounts and bots rapping the reward pool 24/7

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recurzive (29) · 7 years ago

No you should be able to make multiple accounts because its kinda different platform. Or they should atleast change some things. Since on reddit you have subreddits and thats a good thing, because here you would need to have account for each subrredit so therefore 1 person should be able to make multiple things that revolve around same topic (call them niche). They need atleast 1 more layer behind this platform to govern things, and when you build a whale, Whale should be only concerned with its topic of interest, whale should be like content manager. But the way i see it you would need to have layers of whales. So posts like this that are dealing with manipulation of a system should be like top tier problems and should be discussed in closed doors and should involve people that this affects on that level, should leave average joe away from it they shouldnt even be able to post that crap here. So you dont need to drag every fucking content creator into internal politics, firstly lots of people dont care they just want to create and work on their things, secondly not everyone is good at politics. Im not saying people should be like sheep but the longer authors spend making content like this or deal with this problems the less time they have to focus on new things that could benefit whole platform. This is a large topic i really hate writing things, since everyone has their opinion and just talking about it doesnt solve anything, unless someone acts on it. Money war is good here because Steemit on its own needs to burn money to make money since its designed that way, they probably dont care about it that much here since system kinda makes proof of concept that way. But as for content creation nothing happens. Mainly they need more structure to this platform or infrastructure whatever you call it that should promote authors and their work and focus on some kind of organic growth other than burning money to make money.

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waygreenergrass (39) · 7 years ago

Identity theft and or other falsification will occur on a massive scale as people in third world countries would be able to make a few dollars just from making accounts and upvoting their own posts. A few dollars is a lot in some places.

There is a reason many sites have failed to come up with a way pay out to self-publishers. It is devilishly difficult to come up with a system that is fair and not gameable.

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sizandyola (55) · 7 years ago

There are always some way to abuse the system. People will find it one way or the other. I only hope the platform will grow through voices such as yours.

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netscape101 (39) · 7 years ago

This is interesting. Where can I read more about how this works and what the difference is between voting a few seconds after a post compared to up voting in the last few minutes?

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cryptoboiiii (10) · 7 years ago

My post got downvote through 15 accounts from a group in a minute wht to do now to report them?

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zainab25 (35) · 7 years ago

Good evening everyone,

@berniesanders or someone else who is reading this..
I still have to learn a lot about how everything works on steemit so I've some questions and hopefully someone can explain it to me.

I thought if you vote that close before payout you won't get a thing for it.. But is this a wrong understanding? Is she getting paid for the vote which she does a couple hours before payout?

And I don't understand if she vote a post earlier for example the first day, why should she be flagged? Can you also flag someone who only votes on a post?

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appreciator (66) · 7 years ago

This post has received gratitude of 17.54 % from @appreciator thanks to: @ngc.

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bitgeek (62) · 7 years ago

Congratulations @berniesanders, this post is the most rewarded post (based on pending payouts) in the last 12 hours written by a Superuser account holder (accounts that hold between 1 and 10 Mega Vests). The total number of posts by Superuser account holders during this period was 1534 and the total pending payments to posts in this category was $13689.44. To see the full list of highest paid posts across all accounts categories, click here.

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statsmonkey (49) · 7 years ago

Congratulations, your post received one of the top 10 most powerful upvotes in the last 12 hours. You received an upvote from @randowhale valued at 188.27 SBD, based on the pending payout at the time the data was extracted.

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asikanik (43) · 7 years ago

Really? what kind of news this is? Bad or Good?

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jamespower (5) · 7 years ago

I have been looking forward to know the source of this strange act for a very long time
@berniesanders thanks for this post.

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alfamega (29) · 7 years ago

thanks @berniesanders for informing us about these abuses

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surfermarly (74) · 7 years ago

Talking about abuse, Bernie... why don't you flag this one?
https://steemit.com/life/@msteemian/power-packed-20-minute-workout-routine

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pcjhonatan2009 (43) · 7 years ago

buena info para esta gran red de steemit

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pcjhonatan2009 (43) · 7 years ago

buena info

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nodald-pump (38) · 7 years ago

i think you sharing a good news and it is helpful... i surprised to see it...

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waygreenergrass (39) · 7 years ago (edited)

I think I must be missing something here. How does it make any difference to anyone else whether she upvotes at the last hour as opposed to any other time?

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steevc (73) · 7 years ago

What I object to are her massive self-votes. $200 on her last post. She does well enough from what others give her and she could be . At least she's not posting too often. Does she control the accounts she gives big votes to?

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